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How hard is it to taper off of subxone?

Discussion in 'Opiate addiction' started by MrPhReeZ, Mar 25, 2009.

  1. MrPhReeZ

    MrPhReeZ Newbie

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    I said....


    i went to the doctor to get on suboxone 3 days ago! took my first pill of suboxone monday march 23rd i can honestly say i havent had any w/d,s at all since ive been on suboxone!HE GAVE ME A SCRIPT OF 21 8MG SUBOXONE monday the directions are to eat 3 8mg,s a day untill my next visit...i feel great on suboxone but i do not want to be on it forever (SINCE ITS STILL A OPIOTE) AND ITS COSTLY$ DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET OFF OF SUBOXONE...I FEEL LIKE I QUIT ONE DRUG TO GET ON ANOTHER!


    THANKS
    TONY
     
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  2. SmokeNmirrors

    SmokeNmirrors Silver Member

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    I started with 16mg a day, part of swims terms were when he was put on the suboxone that he would have to do a out patient rehab. swim stayed on that dose for about 2 months the swims doctor gave him some 2mg of suboxone and was taking 12mg and slowly but surely I am now down to 8mg a day and probably in his next visit go to 4mg unless he feels uncomfortable then perhaps 6mg. So far the tapering process has been quite easy for swim and I has had no discomfort from tapering. So just be sure to talk it out with swiys doctor and tell him how You is feeling mentaly and physically. Good luck with it all swim hopes it works out well.:applause:
     
  3. Electrolingus

    Electrolingus Platinum Member & Advisor

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    If You is using Suboxone to kick a heroin/pain pill habit, then I would recommend using the least amount of Suboxone as possible. One should take just enough to get over the 'ills' and no more. Three 8mg pills/day is the usual dose that a doctor will prescribe for Suboxone maintenance. If one does not want to be maintained on this drug for an extended period of time, then You might want to tread lightly. Suboxone is wonderful for opiate detox the first couple of times, but, it will become less effective the more one uses it for this purpose. You should use it sparingly and wisely. Once a person becomes physically dependent on Suboxone, tapering can be quite difficult for some. This is just a suggestion.
     
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  4. COOKEDinLA

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    I said....

    Suboxone W/D was worse than anything else I ever had to get away from. I've done it twice. You think you are out of the woods then a leg jittering, non-sleeping depression engulfs you. There is a way to make it go easier though. Let me know if you want to know how I did it.

    Also, lose the guilt, even if it is in the back of your mind that this is also an opiate. It is, but you can only get so "high" and you won't steal your Grandma's savings on it. Some day you will have to stop subs, but if you were hardcore, do one thing at a time.

    Paul
     
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  5. Naked Lunch

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    I said....

    I've only ever gotten rid of my sub habit with one thing, Heroin!
    I found tapering to be unsuccessful because i would constantly hang out.

    You can only try it, go slow and good luck!
     
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  6. COOKEDinLA

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    Perscription for high blood pressure and muscle relaxer and unfortunately exercise is the only thing that helped me. The exercise is like pulling a tooth as you know, but running in place by the bed does the trick.


     
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  7. Richard_smoker

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    believe me, if you allow yourself to stay on it for a year or more, it's VERY difficult to come off of. virtually impossible without a taper. (do a search, i basically made a journal out of swim's experience)

    on the other hand, you can actually USE it on a FAST TAPER to effortlessly come off ANY OPIATE. Just stay on it ~1 week for every year you were addicted. Then, just rapid taper yourself off the bupe.

    but, the challenge will be STAYING OFF opiates!!

    swim found it was a total trade-off. being on subs long enough to MENTALLY/psychologically transfer the addiction completely vs no withdrawals. your choice. -DICK
     
  8. COOKEDinLA

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    Completely agree. At first suboxone seems like a miracle drug, but soon you realize why you got on it - to get off opiates. So you try to get off the subs. That sucks big, but the real sucky happens weeks after when you find yourself empty and craving. That's when some type of program or therapy has got to be there to fill the emptiness. Sounds crazy, but I've found that those things can lift you higher than the opiates, but you gotta fight for it. That is the insane ride of my book Cooked in LA.
     
  9. ex-junkie

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    careful about self incrimination people.
     
  10. Naked Lunch

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    I often find myself saying "swim" in one sentence and "I" in another.lol
     
  11. Richard_smoker

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    I think that with ALL things considered, buprenorphine, suboxone, and subutex really ARE a godsend.

    They allow you to do what would normally be completely impossible on your opiate drug of choice. and, even after getting OFF the subs, it isn't like your life will come to a screaching halt if you slip up and take some drugs... you just need to get back on course, at first, very slowly, by getting back on the subs for a little while.

    in time, you will 'learn yourself' as someone who is no longer addicted to opiates. Hopefully, by this point, you will no longer need the occasional 'relapse', but even if you do, you will likely find a balance point where subs are no longer needed because HOPEFULLY (and this is pretty common), you won't let yourself become addicted to opiates again...this will likely take time...as in at least 6 months or years off the subs. just take your time. one day at a time.
     
  12. VSOP~on~tap

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    me Hombre, let me emphazise this note; WEANING down on subutex, while EXTREMELY uncomfortable at times.......is NOTHING and VERY EASY----compared to the REAL step you have to make....all you are doing is drawing out the inevitable just face it
    cause for my alligator.......EVEN WHEN he tapered down to a speck, like .2 IF THAT he straight up wd for 1-2 months and hopped right back on something.
    in my opinion sub wd is comparable with done wd and they are a BITCH .however I STILL reccomend cold turkey if your REALLY ready to quit. subs are GREAT if you need to work and dont have the proper time to wd/etc.....but NO JOKE they became a bigger monster than his other monkeys EVER were be careful with taht shit man seriously it is NO miracoul cure.
    (Ibogain is :)
     
  13. Grabnar

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    I say subbies are bad for long term use and only has used them in 3 day increment, if swiys aren't bangin 20 bags of street dope/day there is no point to even messing with this stuff to kick for more than 3 DAYS at a time. swim only ever needed one 8mg to kick an unwelcome/sneaky dope habit. ps swiys don't try to inject suboxone unless u luv instant withdrawl, suboxone the name brand in the usa has both agonist and anti agonist property to prevent abusers!
     
  14. VSOP~on~tap

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    actualy in the name of truth and fairness-shooting suboxone does not "automaticaly" throw you into wd, infact many thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people shoot their suboxone every day and have NO problem. the nalaxone DOES delay the rush but it still hits and when does its BADASS. but yeah you dont get the instant heroin like rush you would off subutex.
    ok anyways besides that I agree with EVERYTHING you have said. this shit is NOT cool long term, but short term, it has worked wonders for many people. and yep.....even with my rediculous tolerance I ALWAYS preffered 4 mg sub to 12 mg, or the actual 24 that I was prescribed. and yep, you CAN taper off a habit with JUST ONE PILL. its been done millions of times by many people.
     
  15. Richard_smoker

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    i've got to disagree with everyone who says suboxone is evil and the same as methadone. there's absolutely nothing wrong with a slow, gradual taper. my monkey tapered his dose down WELL below 0.2mg before finally being 'free.'

    just like anything else of this magnitude and in the same class of drugs, it might NOT work on the first attempt! the obvious answer to this is, GET UP AND TRY AGAIN!

    all things considered, it's really not all that hard. but you really do need some good support. swim found this forum to be excellent in that regard, and truthfully, it was all swim needed to break free. -DICK
     
  16. Naked Lunch

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    The reason the Naloxone doesn't mess with the Buprenorphine like it does Heroin is because Naloxone doesnt reverse Buprenorphine. I have read it in a book entitled "clinical pharmacology for nurses" that swim owns.
    Swim thought Naloxone DID reverse Buprenorphine but if they are teaching nurses that it doesn't its likely true. This leads to the question "then why put Naloxone in Subutex in the first place?" Swim means, if it doesnt reverse it then its pointless isn't it?!?!?!?!
    Ahh, the pharmacological industry, they make zero sense!
     
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    ^the combination has an agonist/antagonist effect. this is why they put it in subutex. its not about reversing the other. its about balance.
     
  18. Richard_smoker

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    actually, it's the plain old buprenorphine itself that has the agonist/antagonist dual effect.

    they threw the naloxone in there to make it more 'appetizing' to the FDA and to the doctors who prescribe who will take a long long time to learn that the naloxone isn't doing squat. -DICK
     
  19. Naked Lunch

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    The doctor told swim that taken subligually the naloxone has very poor absorbency and is in effect in active but if taken IV it is effective at putting you into Withdrawals but this isn't true because naloxone wont reverse bupe like it does full agonists. Therefore suboxone is a contradiction, the naloxone does nothing....although it is a good way to get naloxone for bringing people out of and OD.

    And yes, its bupe itself that is the agonist/antagonist and bupe itself will lessen your high if taken after a dose of a full agonist.
     
  20. Finn Mac Cool

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    Over here they only give you subutex and only if you go IP detox, I have been told that nalaxone helps with cravings after detox, that's why I would take it.