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How many people actaually stay clean?

Discussion in 'Opiate addiction' started by stephy171072, Oct 6, 2008.

  1. stephy171072

    stephy171072 Silver Member

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    I have spent a lot of time researching this on the internet and on this fourm and im sorry if this is allready on here somewhere because apparently I have asked a questioin before that was allready answered and I missed it. However I was wondering if anyone had any kind of facts on how many people who properly become hooked on heroin and have a habbit then manage to get clean and stay clean? I am really interested in knowing and would really appreciate if anyone had any rough figures.
    Thank you in advance :)

     
  2. Spare Chaynge

    Spare Chaynge Palladium Member

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    Re: How many people actauallyt stay clean?

    Figures are hard to come up with for these kind of things.. Why because if I go to rehab gets clean and then 2 months later starts shooting dope and they get a call from the rehab statistic guy .. do You think they would answer or if they did tell the truth..


    Swim kicked heroin and has been clean and sober for 9 months.. so did some other swims on this site...
     
  3. chillinwill

    chillinwill Newbie

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    I am another one of the ppl able to stay clean (finally) off of heroin....he is coming up on 6 months in a few days
     
  4. stephy171072

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    Re: How many people actauallyt stay clean?

    Yeah wasn't sure if it would be posible due to the reasons you said but well done to both of you! Keep it up! Hopefully I

    stephy171072 added 0 Minutes and 54 Seconds later...

    will follow in your footsteps one day.
     
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    Re: How many people actauallyt stay clean?

    Please be so kind to post in the correct forum. Thread moved.
     
  6. Lisa J

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    I have just lapsed after nearly 12 months clean, before that she relapsed after 10 years clean, it's so fucking hard to stay away from heroin, already she's struggled with this for 25 years :(
    I have started again and is now 2 days clean :thumbsup:
     
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    Lisa J,

    it is so fucking hard with heroin....this is the must I have gotten clean but cant even begin to imagine relapsing after getting a year or even 10 years clean....but its good to know that You is still trying to stay clean even through the ups and downs and that You is back on the right track towards recovery....may i ask what caused You to relapse after 12 months?
     
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  8. Richard_smoker

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    Re: How many people actauallyt stay clean?

    it's a very difficult thing to quantify simply as "clean" or "not clean". Being clean is much like the addiction itself. It can weave its thread thru all or most of one's existence. something as powerful as ANY opiate, much less Heroin (the queen mother) can be quite a struggle to stay free.

    good luck to all. -DICK
     
  9. Lisa J

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    Re: How many people actauallyt stay clean?

    I started smoking fentanyl a couple of months ago and kidded herself it wasn't a problem because it was prescribed to her & didn't cost her anything (well apart from the pre-payment prescription charge). SWIM then started mixing her fent with heroin so it would burn a little slower, all this was made worse because of personal stress issues and what should have been a one off binge for a week has gone on for 5 weeks now. It only took about 10 days for SWIM to get her old tolerance back which means I get nothing from doing 2 bags of gear unless she adds fent to it, SWIM just about gets a teenth to last 2 days and she's nearly broke again. I didn't take her methadone when using but now she's back on it she's still had to double the amount needed to stop withdrawal.
    I would love to be free of "wanting" heroin, she loves the feeling she gets from those first few bags after a long period clean, but it doesn't take long before she fails to get high from it, she knows this but she keeps going back :(
     
  10. y0ssarianlives

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    Re: How many people actauallyt stay clean?

    I read a study from an accredited source, NIDA, or SAMHSA, some organization like that, which stated the rate of chemically dependent people who remain completely abstinent a year later after getting out of treatment is around 5%.

    Another statistic says the rate of abstinence from non-prescribed psychoactive chemicals with people in methadone programs is around 8%. Although... methadone clinics tend to be more lax than inpatient/outpatient treatment programs as far as drug testing goes, and methadone patients are less likely to admit to use as they are probably worried about getting kicked out of the program, there's not a significant difference between the two stats.

    So yeah, according to distanced researchers most likely basing their information off of faulty polling methods, not a whole fuck of a lot.
     
  11. kailey_elise

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    Re: How many people actauallyt stay clean?

    y0ssarianlives,

    God, I find this so awfully depressing.

    ~Kailey
     
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  12. missparkles

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    Re: How many people actauallyt stay clean?

    People clean up at different rates. Sparkles spent nearly thirty years getting clean. She's been drug free for a few years now. But she knows others who have relapsed, but after several attempts got clean.
    Perhaps the question should address peoples lives, not their addiction?
    Is their life more or less manageable since they went on a drug treatment programme? Some see themselves as clean cos they no longer take their drug of choice, hold down a job and don't have addictive lifestyles any more. That sound like success to me.
    Sparkles imagines drinking, after addiction treatment, could be seen as failure. In the strictest sense of addiction it is, but Sparkles thinks drinking alcohol, responsibly, after long term addiction is fuckin' awesome.
    Take care.
    Sparkles.:vibes:
     
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  13. chillinwill

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    ^^This is indeed so very true. Red Rock is coming up on 16 months clean off heroin (minus 2 opiate uses in the past 16 months) and during these 16 months, all he has used is alcohol for about a month but then had to quit because of addicitive tendancies, psychedelic usage, some MDMA, and weed twice. Now some people like in NA/AA might look at that and say that boy has relapsed, he is a failure. Do not associate with him until he gets clean. Well Red Rock's life has done a complete 180 degrees in the past 16 months and he considers himself clean. All that matters is what you think. If what You is doing is benefiting their life more so now than what their addiction was doing in the past, then stick with it.
     
  14. missparkles

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    Re: How many people actauallyt stay clean?

    That's all that counts Red Rock. Compared to what they had, the risky lifestyle, is their life better now. If so it's a success. Sparkles is like Red Rock, she has an extremely addictive personality, she knows one substance can be enough. As she's somewhat older the urgency/necessity for her is more enhanced. She's noticed it's got more difficult as she's got older, so she does have a different incentive, one that others won't ever realise she hopes, to stay clean. But she knows people who were literally in the gutter through addiction. Now they have their own place and some stability, that's a recovery.
    Sound weird, but it's not.
    Sparkles.:vibes:
     
  15. dyingtomorrow

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    Well, SWIM's failed from 3 methadone treatments, 1 28-day rehab, and 1 2-month expensive as fuck rehab. As well as 2 years of suboxone - the longest SWIM stopped taking heroin with his own willpower was 1 month on the suboxone; it was so god awful being off of heroin that he just went back to selling the suboxone for heroin money.

    I don't know anyone personally who has developed a physical addiction and then got clean for any significant period of time (maybe 1 or 2 people for a year at most), and he knows scores of addicts. The only way out, especially if you have an IV habit, for 95% seems to be death or jail. I would guess people that only snort or smoke heroin probably have a better chance though.
     
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    not sure about figures overall, but swim beat heroin/methadone and has been completely opiate free since october 2005.
     
  17. missparkles

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    When Sparkles was using she didn't know anyone who was clean for any length of time. But then she didn't want to know anyone who was clean, to be honest. That way she could justify going through treatment, using again, going through rehab, using again, saying "it's impossible to quit, why should I try?"
    When she acknowledged it was possible she had no excuse not to quit, much better to continue to lie to herself that it was impossible. But she's been clean for a few years now, nearly five, although she was on pain meds for a while so the amount of time could be debated. She's clean today, that's all that matters to her.
    Clean time just gives any addict a bit more recovery insurance against using, but Sparkles never forgets she's only as far away from the next hit as someone with one day clean in their emotional bank account.
    Take care.
    Sparkles.:vibes:
     
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    Swim managed to stay clean from opiates for about 3years after a 5year heroin IV habit. I had to move to a different country & completely change swim's lifestyle. However, swim met someone who provided access to fentanyl, dihydrocodeine & heroin.. Swim began as a weekend warrior, this didn't last for long & soon I was completely addicted again. That was almost 3years ago.
    I am now on day 4 of a suboxone maintenance & is feeling positive about the future. Swim now realises that once you've been addicted to opiates, even if you've been clean for sometime, the potential for relapse is always there. Swim finally realises that it's an illness that I will carry with himself for the rest of his life.
    Hope this is of some help!
     
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    My Cat had a old-Study but can upload only the Abstract Version
    because of the Copyrights!

    This showed "hard Numbers" because every Number is a real Person,
    but please don`t forget that this is only a Statistic and nothing more,
    maybe Swiny and Swim + "the Others" are something Special and outside of "normality",
    the Gaijin`s of every Statistic and Averages! :vibes:;)

    Detoxification treatment has reached an important significance among the supply of treatments for opiod dependents since 1991.
    Qualified detoxification treatment has made possible admissions and discharges without direct inpatient abstinent orientated treatment.
    More and more acknowledge the relapse as a sequence of opiod dependency. Follow-ups after detoxification therapies are rare.

    Method: During the period from 2005 to 2007, all patients, who had completed successfully their detoxification treatment,
    were regularly asked, if they had relapsed or if they had been living without drugs.
    The patients were divided into two groups: group 1 consisted of those patients who participated afterwards in an inpatient treatment;
    whereas group 2 consisted of those who did not participate in any further therapies.

    Results: 42.6% of all patients who completed the qualified detoxification treatment successfully. 197 of those were allocated in group 1 and 217 in group 2.
    One week after having been discharged, 11% of group 1 and already 53% of group 2 had relapsed.
    Three month after discharge, 48% of group 1 and 85% of group 2 had relapsed.
    After 12 month, 84% of group 1 and 94% of group 2 had relapsed.
    1.9% of all patients died within one year after their discharge.

    Discussion and conclusion: The superiority at the beginning, concerning the abstinence of the therapy-group, declines and adjusts to the non-therapy group within one year, after discharge. But the abstinence of the therapy-group keeps superior with 16% to 6%. With qualified detoxification treatment, mortality can be kept, almost as low as with a substitution therapy. Longer periods of observation are aspired.

    http://www.ecomed-medizin.de/sj/sfp/abstract/ArtikelId/10751
     
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    Yeah Red Rock is only 23 and been through an $80,000 4 month inpatient rehab, two 28-day inpatient rehabs, 2 out patient rehabs, a 22 day wilderness trip, and a 5 month stay in a sober living house. Not to mention being on methadone for a while and then Suboxone for about 5 months or so. All of that failed and ended up being a waste of money. All that matters is how determined one is to stay off their drug of choice. Red Rock learned the lessons he needed to in his first rehab but never listened and it never "clicked" even after the last rehab. What clicked for Red Rock was being homeless, living under a bridge, his family didn't want anything to do with him, and then he got charged with a bunch of felonies. Everybody is different and what clicked for Red Rock might not click for someone else.