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Experiences - how much kratom is needed for a 20mg oxycontin like experience?

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by RX420, Mar 3, 2009.

  1. RX420

    RX420 Banned

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    my cousins old friend was wondering how much and what type of kratom would be needed for a experience like 20-30 mg of oxy if possible????
     
  2. AceOvArts

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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    SWIM thinks it might not be possible for Kratom to produce similar effects. Kratom does not produce that much euphoria.
    SWIM has gotten effects similar to a 10mg Hydrocodone tab but has never used Oxy so cant make the comparisson. But judging by the opiate doseage list this would seem to be as strong as a 5mg tab of Oxy.
    So.... to produce the effects similar to 10mg Hydro SWIM would use 1g of UEI (Ultra Enhanced Indo), this would be at a time of low tolerance, obviously higher tolerance = higher dose.
    Trouble with Kratom is that is seems more likely to cause nausea at higher dose than opiates.
     
  3. RX420

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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    swim has heard so many people say they can get really nice feeligs from kratom...is it just diff people react diff to it??

    swim has known heavey opie users even getting good results...so i guess just experiement and see if swim can get to that effect or not basically?
     
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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    Last time this SWIM took kratom, two teaspoons (4-6grams) were enough for him to nod in front of the computer for moments. No tolerance to opiates.
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    it was premium commercial bali
    SWIM does .5mg clonazepam at day and 2,5mg diazepam at night.
     
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  5. AceOvArts

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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    SWIM has been using Kratom daily for about 2-3 years now, I guess SWIM has got used to the way Kratom makes him feel, he uses for back pain now rather than to feel real nice
     
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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    My informant has no experience with extracts, so cannot comment on them.

    As for dried kratom leaf, he believes it would be rather difficult to achieve that level of opiate effect from kratom. Kratom's effects are rather different than normal opiate effects in lower doses, and cause significantly more nausea in larger, opiate-like doses than do pharmaceutical opiates.

    In my informant's experience, it is possible to achieve mild opiate-like effects, equivalent to possibly about 3mg oxycontin, with about 10 grams of relatively strong crushed, dried Thai kratom leaves. Note that the experience is not exactly like 3mg of oxycontin; it is significantly less euphoric and less relaxing, something of a stimulant edge, and some nausea. Possibly better compared to 60mg of codeine plus 1g ibuprofen and a cup of strong tea, than to a dose of oxycontin.

    Also note, the potency of kratom leaf (and, I have heard, extracts) varies considerably in several ways, including between strains, between batches, between vendors, and between different individuals' metabolisms. For this reason, it is difficult to give any sort of accurate equivalence between kratom and standardized drugs.

    With higher doses of kratom, SWIM has found that the opiate effects do not increase linearly, and the nausea and stomach upset increase steeply. That is to say, 20g of kratom leaf tea gives less than twice the opiate effects and more than twice the nausea of 10g. 20g of dried leaf matter is not an inconsiderable amount of leaf. 20g of one particular batch occupied about 2/3 of a pint glass, that is to say, around 400ml. This is a fairly large volume of rather badly-tasting plant matter, and is not exactly easy to consume.

    Now this is not to say that kratom is not a pleasant experience and worth using. Some people find it very pleasant and do enjoy using it. However, a person approaching kratom expecting to simulate the effects of a moderately large pharmaceutical opiate dose is likely to be disappointed, and to make himself ill. Oxycontin is a reasonably strong opiate with a higher than average euphoria to analgesia ratio. Kratom's effects, although certainly related to the effects of other opiates, is distinctly different from them.

    As always, your milage may vary.

    Hope this helps.
     
  7. Herbal Healer 019

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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    Some1 Who Aint Me can say from experience that this level of euphoria can be acheived with an extract.

    SWAM has experience with both 15x (from a vendor that sells various shamanic herbs & is pretty widely known), super indo & premium indonesian kratom ground leaves (from a different vendor).

    At the time of his 15-20mgish oxycodone-like (also very comparable 2 a hydrocodone high), SWAM had zero opiate tolerance but had experience with various opiates (hydrocodone, oxycodone, codeine & morphine).

    SWAM ingested 3 grams of this 15x kratom (again, with zero opiate tolerance at the time) in order to acheive said effect. SWAM has not been able to acheive an effect higher than that of 5mg/10mg (consecutively) oxycodone or hydrocodone with the crushed leaves (the highest dose being 15 grams of premium indo leaves)
     
  8. RX420

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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    well whats all this hoopla about kratom if the effects are so light?
     
  9. helikophis

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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    Well, they are light, but they are better than nothing! And it's legal in many places.

    Also I'm not sure "light" is exactly right for it - it isn't just that they are weak opiate effects - they can be relatively strong, but the opiate-like effect is only a (small) part of it. An analogy could be, morphine isn't just a weak version of oxycodone, it also feels different; the differences are both quantitative and qualitative.
     
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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    SWIM has used kratom along with every type of extract available as well as being a very experienced opiate user and can honestly say that the only thing close to even a small amount of oxycontin would be the 250x extract offered by limited vendors. Again SWIM used to chew 2 80mgs oxy's do get a nod so they may not be the best person to describe this

    Peace
     
  11. indeed

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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    SWIM agree's with Helikophis, though the feelings of euphoria and overall effects are not ''close'' to oxycotin they are pretty damn good, especially for being legal. and like Helikophis said there is qualitative and quantitative, though the high may not be as potent as oxycotin thats not really what you are going for, kratom is a unique experience that with time and carful dosing leads to a great way to relax and enjoy a high legally without too much fear of addiction. all in all its a unique expirience and its different for everyone some its more potent then others, but generally its a kick ass expirience for being only a little addictive (if used very very often) so dont complain, its the best your going to get legally :thumbsup:
     
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    Someone Who Is Not Me got a strong nod off of just 8 grams of Maeng Da. He found himself lying in bed in the dark, and listening to soft music as a very pleasant addition to the nod. Was it as strong as 20mg of oxycontin? No. However, it was different, and pleasant in it's own right.
     
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    My ferrets asked me to post today. They said that they enjoyed 60mg of oxycontin just the other day, and that they have had very similar results with kratom. Of course, not quite as strong, but pretty close. They said that every batch of kratom is NOT like that, but a few are very comparable to oxys- for them at least. I asked them about their dosage, and they said that they just don't know. They just toss n wash until they feel good and don't pay much attention to how much.
     
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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    from listening to my rabbits experince with kratom and his friends i've found that it effects differently people differnetly and one would need to experiment with til they find their desired effect different dosages and differnet strains and different consupsion methods
     
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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    SWIM is greatly surprised with all these negative reviews of Kratom, or more so underrated opinions of the substance. SWIM ingests 40-80mg of Oxy on a regular basis so SWIM thinks SWIM has quite a handle on what the effects feel like, as well as being experienced with many other opiates, taking them as well on a regular basis, and find Kratom to be one of his favorites at high doses.

    SWIM finds that with high doses of Kratom, you can reach the effects of an almost equivalent of 40-80g of Oxy ingested orally. The thing is that you have to consume around 25g to 40g of Commercial Grade Bali (that's what SWIM use personally, SWIM doesn't use anything else) of the substance to achieve these effects, and that is usually way to much for anybody to deal with due to the nausea. SWIM is lucky he has a hard stomach or something, since he has never felt nausea once in his life from Kratom.

    Also as mentioned above potency might vary batch from batch, and the effects at high doses aren't exactly the same as Oxy but definitely close, they have more of a intoxicated feel and more stimulating. This is just SWIM's 2 cents, everyone reacts to it differently SWIM figures.

    SWIM would recommend SWIY try higher doses till you reach the effects you desire, (of course while staying safe and not exceeding SWIY's limits).
     
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    these are exactly the type of thing that will help make kratom illegal. kratom is not intended to be taken to get you high, it is a herb that in low doses has stimulating effects and high doses can be relaxing. there are many reasons to use kratom, but if swiy is looking to get fucked up on a regular basis, your wasting your money.
     
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    For SWIM Kratom is mostly an anti-depressant and healthy motivator for daily tasks, also a useful tool for comedowns, recreationally it's good if done once in a blue moon otherwise a waste of money, true that.
     
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    SWIM completely disagrees with both above posters about the Kratom being a waste of money. Using Kratom recreationally is actually a very easy habit to support especially compared to other substances like Heroin. SWIM is able to support his daily habit without a problem and he has no job, just saving a couple dollars here and there is enough to support it. SWIM actually does get a decent to heavy buzz daily off his Kratom and he is not wasting his money, he is actually saving quite a bit of money opposed to wasting all his cash on Hyrdo, Oxy, H, etc.
     
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    Re: how much kratom for a 20mg oxycontin like experience

    SWIM ate half an ounce of premium commercial and a few hours later got the nods. Unfortunately the "nod" of Kratom doesn't really compare at all to an opiate nod. When one is nodding on opiates they often feel a euphoric floaty type feeling that isn't present with Kratom for swim. Kratom nods are closer to simply feeling sleepy (ok a little better than that but when compared to a good smack nod....). Swim did notice that his skin was slightly numb when he went to bed however so it does have some pain killing properties. SWIM thinks he may have ate too much for his first dose though lol. SWIM doesn't do opiates anymore though so I'm sure he will experiment with some better qualities of Kratom in the future.
     
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    5.5g of Bali gives me a 20mg hydro like high. So I very much disagree with earlier posters saying it gives no euphoria... experiment with different strains!