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Question - How much meth is needed to cause permanent brain damage?

Discussion in 'Methamphetamine' started by Louvre, May 19, 2017.

  1. Louvre

    Louvre Mercury Member

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    Hello,

    I know there are some threats talking about this, and all of them conclude that there's not really an exact amount of meth taken to know if there'd be permanent damage or not, but still.

    So as far as I know, in my case, I totally stopped using meth one month ago. I started using it last year (August), buying small doses from a friend about 6 times on that month, but on the next one due to school reasons I moved to other city for 5 months, where I couldn't find meth being there, so I waited to come back on February of this year to the town I've been always living. Back again I began smoking it for two months, not every day but usually twice a week. There were two or three times of large meth binges (3-5 days straight). But then, I decided to take a break, and after that I only have used it a few times. Now I'm totally clean.

    I'd say that approximately the total amount of meth I smoked and snorted over all the time since I started is around to 15-20 grams, but not more than that.

    I'm a young man, 18 years old, and I know that as young as you start using dope as toxic and worse it will be to your body and brain.

    So my question is: Knowing my age and the amount of meth I've taken, and if I never use it again, does my brain will fully remove all the damage that meth have done in it? How likely does it is to me to think if my brain will be the same in terms of intellectual capacity and reasoning?

    I always knew how neurotoxic meth is, but my curiosity won me and the high hooked me up quickly. Now I have no interest on doing that sh*t again, seriously, it caused me a lot of problems, so no anymore. Up to now I'm preparing for University, and I'm a lil' bit concerned on if I will have the same logic-intelectual brain capacity as I had before started using that crap (sorry if it sounded grumpy).

    Thanks for any reply.
    Note: English isn't my natal language, so if I committed drafting mistakes, just let me know. Thanks!!
     
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  2. Lye Locked

    Lye Locked Silver Member

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    I am not a medical professional, but I feel pretty confident in telling you that you shouldn't worry. Everybody is different and it's really hard to give even a ballpark amount of meth needed to cause significant brain damage. I have met people that do one line of meth and they become completely schizophrenic... I mean, severe hallucinations and paranoia.

    The length of time, and the amounts you have given really aren't all that significant. That is cool that you have chosen not to use anymore and are looking out for your well being. Now go on about your life and worry no more.:)

    Take care.
     
  3. Louvre

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    Yes, I guess you're right. What I did is already done, and changing past has never been an option, so now what Im doing is going on with life, goals and stuff like that, just like everybody. Thanks man.
     
  4. Scrofula

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    The closest I ever came to dying from a drug, I was about your age.
    I was using the prescribed amount of the first non-drowsy allergy med, Seldane. It's off the market now, after people died. That came down to our friendly liver enzymes (cytochrome p450 family, think there's a table on site) and their natural variation in the population.

    So like you already knew, yeah, no such thing as a safe drug.
    Did it make you dumber, though, is what people want to know. Or make you not as smart as you might have been?
    I know all the kids who did a lot of MDMA worry about social anxiety.
    Drunks like me worry about relapse and our health.
    Psychedelics users worry about whether or not they angered the mushroom gods and left a fragment of their mind on the astral plane, how to get the shadow cat to bring it back (am I the only one?).

    Drugs make you worry, over questions with answers you couldn't act on anyway. Not after the fact.
    But as a baby of 18, any deficit you might have earned using meth can still be recovered. Lot of plasticity left, so go mold it or something.
     
  5. Louvre

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    Ok
     
  6. Scrofula

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    Well, @Louvre it's been about six weeks, feeling any better?
     
  7. Louvre

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    If you want me to be honest, the shortest answer would be no. Last Saturday I overdosed on heroin and pills. I was doing it good, actually pretty good, I kept myself sober for almost 2 months but fell again.. To be quick, I popped 8 xanax pills in a period of 20 hours from Friday night to Saturday sunset, went out of home to a party, where a bunch of addicts convinced me to shot 15 lines of h.. So you know, moments after I fell down and lost conscience.. Went to the hospital and the doctors said it was a miracle I'm still alive. First day out today. Im feeling a lil bit like shit.. And as you may remember, I'm only 18 so my parents were aware of everything and I had to tell them everything about my drug addiction.. But you know what, I think what just happened last week actually did something good for me, it made me promise to myself that I will never be with the kind of people I was with. Thanks for question
     
  8. Scrofula

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    Well I'm sorry to hear that. Whatever damage meth might cause, it's nowhere near the damage from anoxia.

    Only a couple months ago you were worried about brain damage from a modest meth habit. In between you developed a benzo and opiate habit. This may sound condescending or flippant about a serious event, but you are only 18. And these are the (very) stupid things teenagers do. I would have done them if they'd been around.

    What I mean is, you don't have a drug addiction. You have excellent potential for addiction, but you're not there yet. That mindset is important, because once you buy into an identity as "a junkie" you get hopelessness for free.

    So good luck, and you're still OK. You just got your mortality reminder early.
     
  9. Louvre

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    Ikr, life has gave me lots of changes and different types of warnings all through this time since I started using different types of drugs, which was one year ago when I first started with weed.. And I think this was kinda like my last warning, or at least it's the way I get it.. I considered myself as a lucky, very lucky guy.. But I know I can't use that as an excuse to continue feeding my drug abuse.. Just, if it wasn't by this unknown woman who took me to the hospital when saw me dying unconscious on the ground out of a party house.. I would be dead. She appeared of me, even though she knew she had nothing to win.. Because everybody else on dat party ran out of there when they realized there was what seemed like a dead body.. Even my "friends" didn't help me. So yeah. I'm not in rehab but going to those places where everyone sits around n talk shit bout how they struggling with their addiction.. I think it's the best for me. Peace and love, bro! For the best!
     
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  10. the elusive eye

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    sorry to hear about what happened last weekend...but glad you're ok. that woman must have been your guardian angel, if you believe in those sorts of things :)

    your brain will likely be fine, unless your dope was cut with some toxic chemicals or something (well, more toxic than meth anyway lol...i'm talking like lead acetate or uranium or arsenic or the like). if you want to give your brain a 'healing boost' of sorts, you might check out the nootropics forum, as those are brain-boosting drugs, mostly plants, amino acids, and other natural substances that you can get over-the-counter. lots of them are things our bodies use anyway and we either make ourselves or get from food. might be worth a visit.

    good luck with university, and good luck with your new path :) check back in after awhile and let us know how you're doing, yeah?