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Injecting - How suboxone made me lose a limb...

Discussion in 'Buprenorphine' started by georgie25, Sep 2, 2010.

  1. georgie25

    georgie25 Newbie

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    I was sick as hell and scored a suboxone to keep the dope sick away. I crushed it up very fast and added water but didn't have any cotton to filter it so I just sucked it all up with the syringe anyway without filtering. It looked gross but I was sick and desperate so I said fuck it. I couldn't hit any of my regular veins and tried what I thought was a vein near my wrist area. Turns out it was an artery. I drew back and I couldn't really tell by the color of the blood because of all the fillers and shit floating in the solution and making it all cloudy. Anyway...I start shooting and it burns a lot but I ignore it and push thru and inject all 90 units of it into the artery.

    Well like a couple minutes later I see my arm start getting really red and these huge red spots forming all the way to my shoulder and my hand was swelled up really bad. My friend was with me and I asked him is this normal when you inject suboxone cause this was my first time even doing it. He said it never happened to him but that I should just try to ignore it and wait a couple days for it to go down on it's own rather than go thru the hassle of going to the ER. Well i waited 3 days and it just got work, the red spots went away on my upper arm but my hand was still the same swelled size and was turning purple/black in color so I went to the hospital. Turns out I had waited too long and they had to amputate my hand...

    Moral of the story: don't wait so long to go to theER
     
  2. Erumelithil

    Erumelithil Newbie

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    Hate to sound callous but don't blame the drug, blame your method! The title of the thread makes it sound like a "suboxone horror story" but really you might have done just as much damage injecting aspirin!
     
  3. Moving Pictures

    Moving Pictures Titanium Member

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    Yeah, that's a sad story and I feel for you, but it's injecting into an artery and not getting medical treatment that caused the loss of your hand, not suboxone.

    Another member who's post I copied and put in the iv pill dangers sticky lost his hand due to shooting Demerol into an artery. As Erum. said, it's how you injected, not what you injected.

    I think you should ask the mods to move this post to this thread:
    https://drugs-forum.com/threads/28148

    Here's the other guy's post about loosing his hand, btw:

     
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  4. antialias

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    Im terribly sorry about your loss... I've seen friends who almost ended up the same, a person I know injected sub in his groin artery by mistake..he couldn't walk for weeks and he now has a big scar all the way from his groin up to his bellybutton from a huge pus-filled abcess that he will carry for the rest of his life..

    Injecting buprenorphine without filtering and in the wrong place is life-threatening. What scared swim a bit is that swim once injected crushed methadone pills into an artery in swims arm and it swelled up with big red lumps all over swims hand and arm and I couldn't move his thumb for an hour because it was so swollen. Swim can only thank god or some other higher power that the swelling eventually went down after a few hours of cooling it down with a wet blanket and massage on the affected area...losing a limb is one of swims biggest fears, yet swim continues playing with fire everytime since he is constantly injecting in his toes which is definately not someone should do...
     
  5. cursedticket

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    Yea, thats too bad man. But have to agree. The method and neglect was the cause. Subs arent the best thing to be shooting, but one could reduce the harm involved if they are prepared and shot in such a way. Also to have not gone to the ER as you mentioned was the main problem. I know how that sort of neglect goes. Anyways take care.
     
  6. PrincessJo x

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    That's obviously an awful thing to go through, I totally feel for you but the moral of the story should not only be "don't wait too long to go to ER", it should also be "Never inject in this way and don't do anything un-safe."

    It seems you wanted to blame your friend for not telling you to go to ER ASAP! Although your friend should have sent you straight away, you should have also took precautions and done it safely and also should have went to ER as soon as you suspected anything abnormal.

    I hope that this has at least helped one person learn and avoid doing the same thing, so in that way, thanks for sharing your story and what a real shame to lose your hand :( !
     
  7. Alex C

    Alex C Silver Member

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    I am terribly sorry for your loss.

    My grandfather was an armed guerrilla in the greek civil war circa 1940s. Due to the fact that he stepped on a mine, he lost his left hand (up to the shoulder) and his whole right foot (up to the crotch). He was only 17.

    He survived, and however tragic it was, he never let down, and he got married to my grandmother, and had 2 daughters (my mom & my aunt). He had a prosthetic limb for his foot (it was wooden back at those days) and he lived a totally normal live.

    Heck - more than normal. He became a successful businessman and supported his family 100%. His loss was inspiration to him, as he was an incredible poet (he didn't publish his poems - just handed them to friends and family for free). His loss was a source of inspiration for his artistry.

    Please do the same. A lot of people have tragic losses from mistakes or/and bad luck. You have two choices:

    a. allow this tragic event to diminish your life spark and get into an endless loophole.
    b. make it an inspiration for u and others, by transmuting it into something creative.

    Choose (b). A lot of people have lost limbs, and lateron they became fighters in life. Track down people with similar stories through the internet, and connect to supporting groups. See this tragic event as a life-spark trigger and widen your life choices to a degree that your normalcy couldn't allow.

    This world was/is always changing by a strong, dedicated minority who transmutes their personal tragedies into collective inspiration. I am with you.
     
  8. OC Head

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    Man that is devastating. This story wants to make my pet monkey stop IVing drugs, any drug. He couldn't imagine losing a hand, or an arm.
     
  9. jeremy.p

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    ** APOLOGIES, THOUGHT SWIM WAS REQUIRED **

    SWIM thanks god he stopped IVing about a year ago, switched from dope to methadone at 200mg, tapered to 65mg over that year. Three weeks ago he stopped the methadone at 65, waited about a day, and started 24mg/day subutex. He did it on a whim too, he was tired of going to the methadone clinic, and passed a WALK IN Suboxone/Subutex clinic (yeah, you heard that right, a doc-in-the-box that only does buprenorphine in and phentermine -- only in Dallas lol)

    Three weeks later, with the help of various benzos (xanax, temazepam, valium, and semi-benzo ambien) he is down to 8mg/day.

    Oddly enough, most people have big problems jumping off methadone at a dose as high as 65mg, and I didn't wait for withdrawals to start to take my first does.. Didn't have many w/d effects either.
     
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  10. poop mayer

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    Super sorry about your loss man. You can learn from man, much worse things could have happened such as dying. This may be an inconvenience for, and it's very tragic, but your life isn't over. These are the dangers of being in such a desperate position.
    Shooting is one dangerous way to get high :/
     
  11. jeremy.p

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    **PLEASE FORGIVE ME, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT SWIM WAS MANDATORY**


    So damn sorry man... Swim thinks he came close to some possible tissue debridement or even amputation. He was doing roughly 2 grams of heroin (black tar -- the nasty stuff) daily, equaling about 8 hits over the day. His veins are blown up and shot to hell, so each attempt would be 5-25 tries to find a vein that he could actually register. In the end, he only could use small veins in his hands and feet, but he tried a blown vein in his arm anyway. BIG mistake. It looked like he registered, pushed in, and just torwards the end of the hit, he went through the tiny, messed up vein, and felt that familiar burn of a missed shot. This was some NASTY product (good effect, but clearly hell on your body), and he noticed pain in the arm and even had a fever after 2-3 days.

    He had developed an abscess that he tried to treat on his own (antibiotics -- both topical bactroban aka mupirocin which always helped in the past, and oral amoxicillin/clav + salt water soaks, etc). After a week or so the surface of his arm looked much better, but was still a little tender.

    He thought "great, that is over, no worries". But then where the abscess was, he started to get a deeeep purple spot that was very painful, and had a massive and hard lump underneath. It kept growing until it was larger than an old-school iPod or a playing card. The swelling was to the point where the fold of his arm (being swollen upward about two inches) couldn't move.

    He finally went to the ER, and the doctors said that they had seen many an abscess, but not anything like this (such a hard and large mass). They attempted to drain it, but there was nothing to drain. They biopsied the bulge and found that it was a severe strep infection in the muscle and possible fascitiis. I was given a PICC line (a tube going through a vein in your arm directly into your heart) and given massive doses of antibiotics to prevent the infection from turning into "necrotizing fascitiis" aka "flesh eating disease". Luckily, SWIM caught it early, and at least according to his doctors, if a muscular infection spreads to the "fascia" (a connective muscle tissue), the infection can move by inches an hour, and likely the only remedy is surgical removal of that tissue OR full on amputation.

    He feels deeply for anyone who lost a digit or limb due to a mistake (or hell, any other circumstances). It is admirable and important for people who have suffered such tragedies to share on HR boards like this to make other members aware of the consequences that (what can seem like) simple actions can have.

    In reality, IV use always carries the risk of amputation; there isn't any 100% guarantee that you won't develop an infection or accidentally do an interarterial injection (such as some of the above posters). I used sterile needles, a micron filter, alcohol prep pads, and sterile water and still managed to come close to saying goodbye to his right arm permenantly.

    If you choose to IV, make sure you follow PROPER sterile technique, use fresh equipment, a proper filter, a cleaned site (alcohol or benzalkonium chloride or trilosan), and if at all possible, sterile water (boiled distilled water is a decent secondary option), but one should never assume that the pill, powder, tar, shards, or whatever else you decide to put in your veins is sterile.

    Most importantly, learn where arteries are, and learn how to do a proper register with your rig so that you can tell if you have hit one. If you do, GET THAT SHIT OUT OF YOUR BODY. If you injected and you start swelling, get to the ER or A&E as soon as physically possible. It may be a pain in the ass, but it may be your one and only chance to save a limb.

    Be safe guys, as IV is never 100%; if you must IV, do your best to mitigate the risk.

    PS: Suboxone strips & pills (buprenorphine & naloxone), Subutex (buprenorphine), and several other pills (such as temazepam "jellies", or even the "abuse resistant" Oxycontin (OP's) and Opana ER's) have caused many an amputation, so if You favors IV pills, make sure its not one that causes clots (due to binders, like the new OxyContin or Opana ER) or due to the simple nature of the compund.

    As always, harm reduction is paramount. Thank you to the OP for sharing your story; hopefully others can learn from this type of mistake. I wish all the best to you.

    **PLEASE FORGIVE ME, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT SWIM WAS MANDATORY**
     
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  12. PillMan

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    I have a quick question. Was this the result of you not filtering it, shooting in an artery, or a combination of both. If it was for not filtering it then I am even more grateful for your post. I will never shoot anything up without filtering again.
     
  13. Lolo from crazy woman

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    I don't know how or where to ask this maybe someone can help.a sister has big open wounds on both arms from shooting up about half the size of a dollar bill (heroin) I've let her move in cause she's homeless I need to know everything I can learn.she is loosing use of hand won't quit using and won't go to doctor is it contagious or cellulitis it won't heal.is she going to die from this ? She weight about 90lbs at the most is about 32 yrs old.any and input with this will help...thanks
     
  14. TheBigBadWolf

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    If this goes untreated it will most likely be fatal.
    Not going to the doctor is not an option. If she doesnt go call the ambulance on her.
    This is a life-threatening infection, most probably.

    In case simply force her.
     
  15. Lolo from crazy woman

    Lolo from crazy woman Newbie

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    We that thought the same,we are going to try talking with her her attitude is that she has given into the heroin and excepts that she will never recover guess we need to talk metadone clinic too.it like she except that death is waiting for her but we can't have that here her family has turned their back just happy she not at their place too die she a beautiful person inside guess we'll have to give her the ultamatium of kicking her out...thing is she might not care.this is going to be tough.
     
  16. Cid Lysergic

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    She may need to end up having it amputated. Or it could be from an infection. Tell her to go to the fucking doctor or hospital! They can't give you shit for getting help from illicit drugs.