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Oral use - how to eat a peyote cactus?

Discussion in 'Peyote & San Pedro' started by The Rice God, Jun 17, 2008.

  1. The Rice God

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    i hate to burst your bubble, but you are going to need a few more of those to get much from. no sense killing it and not feeling anything. in my opinion, 3-4 5cm+ buttons is a good start.

    good luck :)
     
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    thanks but which bit is the button? is it this bit which i eat? also i thought you could cut whatever bit you eat off cactus and it carried on growing..

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    oh sorry, i tend to not explain things clearly.

    button means one "head" or crown or pup etc of the cactus. basically the whole *single* cactus above ground. each new offset/pup is called a button. you eat the entire plant that grows above groound, the green part. be careful it is VERY bitter.....way worse than san pedro.

    All cactus, except a few freaks, need to grow form an areole. the areole is where the spines come out, or in Lophophora the "hairy" area. they HAVE to pup from this spot, they cannot send out new growth from the skin.

    Look in these photos, see where the new "button" is growing from?
    ai159.photobucket.com_albums_t153_plantsss_stenograft.jpg
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    so, when you cut it, cut cut it above the soil line a bit, and be sure to leave some areoles (hairy things). in time, this may take over a year, they will send out new offstes (branches, buttons, pups whatever name floats your boat :)). some will send out new pup within weeks...i have some peyote that was cut over 2 years ago and still has not sent out any new growth....just sits there as is.

    Cacti grow from the apical mersitem, which is usually the center of the cactus and they grow out. if you do not damage this part, it will keep growing when cut (but be scared). this is waht i do now. i just cut out chunks from the side of the cactus and let the center growing point remain intact, this way it still grows on at normal pace.

    good luck bro, its a great plant!!!
     
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    thanks for the post there kada, thats a lot of helpful stuff! i'm thinking if i cut slices off, around the spine, kind of like how you might slice bits off a mango, around the stone for eating then that should do it. am i correct in thinking i'd need to eat the little bit thats there now in order to encourage/ expedite growth?

    oh and also, can i just swallow it or do i have to chew? /:
     
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    sorry bro, don't quite follow.

    and yes i think if you cut slices it would work well. cut them above ground a bit and dont harm the center. this way they wont rot and will keep growing normally. if you chop the top, you will wait a long time.

    peyote on their own roots, when topped, take a LONG time to start generating new offsets!

    there are wieghts and stuff for dosage on erowid....i suggest 3-4 5cm whole buttons, or equivelant amount of slices. the native people dry them then chew and swallow (pick off the hairs, they are disgusting!). i like the blender juice method and do it in a couple supersized shots....seems to start faster this way as well.
     
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    you answered the bit you didn't get in your post :)

    thanks for your help dude, for some reason all the info i seem to be able to find on the internet was about san pedro cacti and nothing on peyote, so thanks!

    one more question though if you dont mind? since I dont have a blender I am inclined to cut some slices off and dry them out - does swim just cut them off, as in this photo: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Peyote_buttons_seized_by_Arcata_CA_Police.jpg

    does swim let them for dry for a particular length of time? where would I leave them to dry?

    sorry to be a pain bro once I has cut these pups off ill buy a book about them!!
     
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    not a pain at all man....these forums are here to talk about it :)

    your link shows plants that had the tops cut off. that is ok if you can dry them fast.....thick slices dry slower and if its cool and humid will often go moldy. i cut mine into 1/2 cm slices and place them on a bbq style metal grid. dries in one day and not rot or mold. its easier to pick out the hairs before you dry though.

    if you are growing your own why not leave them until your ready and eat fresh? the taste is horrid...i mean it is really BAD! but this way you cacti grow until use....this is what i do so i dont cut something and regret it later lol. just a thought. dried cacti, although still nasty, i find taste a little better...however, they are much harder to chew and are disgusting in that you are chewing a rubbery dead plant.

    eating is the biggest obstacle, after growing it.
     
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    well, i was hoping to cut some slices off it, eat them and wait for more to grow back.. do you s'pose i'm better off waiting until the cactus has grown a bit bigger? i don't want it to die from having bits sliced
    off it if i can slice off around the spine and let it grow back that'd be preferable!

    i'm ready to eat them as soon as possible, i'm just worried that a. i might kill it and b. i might not have enough to feel anything.
     
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    Please read the rules and stop self-incriminating.
     
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    it's legal in this country so nobody's gonna come and kick my door down.

    or my friend's door, who owns the cactus. ;)
     
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    This is an international forum. The rules regarding self-incrimination (and all others) applies regardless of your location.

    And just as a point of reference to people - there was a rumor out there that the cottony-tufts in Peyote contained strychnine and had to be removed before one eats them. This is not true. They contain the equivalent of cotton. You remove said simply so it won't get caught in the monkey's throat.
     
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    if its legal to do in our country are we allowed to talk about it? its not incriminating if its legal.

    Rice god. as long as tehre is enough. erowid has dosages of mescaline in mg, so you could work it out. it seems to me that a minimum of 2 5cm+ plants are needed (the entire top part of the plant from the ground). other than that i think you may need a scale.
     
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    Sigh, for some reason no one really seems to actually read and comprehend the rule on self-incrimination.


    To reiterate the part that everyone seems to look over.


    If anyone wants to debate this, there are threads in the Forum Use forum to do so. Now lets get back on track and not turn into a self-incrimination merits discussion like way too many threads in here do.
     
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    I think whoever took this picture owns a very attractive and healthy peyote specimen!

    Tell your friend that they can find the answer he is looking for by cruising this forum and looking up similar topics.
     
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    hi thx1134, if you're talking about the pics in my first post, i took it though i obvously don't own the cactus but my friend will be reassured to know it's healthy, because he was slightly concerned by the yellowish colour at the bottom, especially since erowid described peyote as 'blue-green'.. but thanks for your comment!

    kada, thanks for your continuing help, i've found the erowid site and it looks very helpful! i'm now starting to think my friends cactus is too small to begin munching away on, so perhaps he should leave it for a while, on closer inspection this afternoon i noticed it's begun flowering! so he thinks he'll leave it and see what the flower does, though he's not going to try to eat the flower!
    images from him:
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/ChesterFRGiles/SL370209.jpg
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/ChesterFRGiles/SL370210.jpg

    oh and since these photo's don't give much of an idea of the size of the cactus, here is one with a lighter next to it..
    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/ChesterFRGiles/SL370213.jpg


    bajeda; i did read these rules but didn't really see that it applied to me, being as i live in a country where everything i've posted about so far has been legal. i do however see and respect your point that from a moderator's pov you can't tell where everyone lives and make sure that they're not talking about illegal activity so i promise i'll behave from now on! :)
     
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    nice looking cactus! that doesn't look much liek a flower, looks like a fruit. should get seeds soon :) then you can plant more :):):)

    that size wouldn't be enough to eat, someone would want *probably* 4-5+ of those.
     
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    oh score! sorry but that's gonna beg one more question then.. how do i get the seeds?

    i s'pose an easier question might be does the erowid website have all the info i need?

    thanks bro! :vibes:
     
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    lt the fruit start to dry and get all shriveled, then you can pick it and take out the seed sand either plant them or dry them :) should only take say a week or 2 i would think :)
     
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    cool! i'm gonna leave it til the fruit goes shrivelly then and hopefully plant some more! (:)

    is there a market for peyote buttons/ mescaline do you know?