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TEK - How to extract Fentanyl from gel and non gel patches

Discussion in 'Fentanyl' started by thebige, Sep 29, 2008.

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  1. thebige

    thebige Newbie

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    Swim did not invent this method and will pass it on......Swim is in the business of trying to save lives, not provide info that will kill people.Its just his line of work.Now useing fentanyl in any other way than the mfg. recomended use and your doctors prescriptions instructions can and will lead to death.Swim has seen this first hand at work, but does not feel that this is the place for those kind of stories.So this method works but might use some improvements.You might understand why swim does not want post this but to make it easy for swim he will post
    instructions......Good Luck,you will need it.

    Again please do not fool with this method unless you have a high tolerance to Fent,swim belives there is no need to change your roa until it stops working for you......snorting,injecting methods will be posted later as the need arises.....although the method should be obvious. Swim does not advise trying this method...and is posted for information use only.

    If swim finds a better way to preform this extraction,please post your findings,successes and failures. :D

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    I will explain how to extract almost all the Fent (there will be some loss
    like maybe %5) from the non-gel Mylan patches. This is extraction has been
    long sought after and I assume some of you already know how to do it but I
    am going to solidify what I find to be the best method.

    I will explain how to extract the remaining Fent from all other Gel brand
    patches. 75% of the Gel is in the "pouch" the space between the adhesive
    and the backing. The rest of it is actually in the adhesive that you apply
    to your skin. But to get as much yield as possible we will use every part
    of the patch because the Fent has contacted it.

    once the Fent is extracted and dried, I will explain various ways to smoke
    it. Although it could be used to inject or with a little work snorted, I
    don't recommend it as the dosaging between smoking and IV Fent is so
    massively different that one could easily die.

    Okay now for the fun part.


    Gel Patches
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    I would say 4 spent patches equals about 1 fresh patch. I say this because
    that is the consensus on many other forums. 100mcg obviously being the
    best.

    Make sure you get all the Gel out before doing this. If you are a regular
    Fent smoker than you probably already have gotten everything you can out
    of it.

    This works with old patches. It really doesn't matter.

    Supplies you need.

    1. Fent patches
    2. Razorblade
    3. Large piece of glass or mirror (used for drying). I'd say if you have a
    piece of glass the length of a normal sleeping pillow or maybe a little
    wider that works (pretty unscientific). The bigger the better because you
    will be pouring your Fent solution onto this for drying. If it is nice and
    big you won't have to worry about the Fent spilling off the edges.
    4. Isopropyl Alcohol (highest % possible) I think 94% is the highest you
    can get. 91% works fine also. I have heard that it is hard for some of you
    in other countries besides the USA to find this high of strength of ISO
    (the term I will use from now on). You can do it with 70% but it will have
    to sit longer and overall I find it to not be a good yield.
    5. A shot glass, long glass cylinder, etc..
    6. A manipulation tool for stirring the Fent. I use tweezers.
    7. Heat source, like a clip on lamp. Be creative.
    8. Box fan, or you can combine steps 7 and 8 and use a blow dryer.
    9. Scissors
    10. A Credit Card of something like that, this will be used for spreading
    the solution evenly on the glass.


    okay lets get to this

    A. Get all your patches together. Even if it's just 1 patch. Get that! Cut
    up all piece of the spent patch into tiny pieces. This isn't rocket
    science so there is no specifics here, some like to cut the pieces into
    longish ribbons, some make theirs very small. Mine are about the size of a
    penny.

    B. Put patch pieces in your glass container. The smaller the container the
    better just because it will be easier to manipulate whats going on in it.

    C. Pour just enough ISO to cover the patch pieces. If you use 4 spent
    patches I find that using about 40CC's works perfectly . Remember 1CC =
    1ML . But once again pour just enough ISO to cover the patches. Use tin
    foil to cover the top of the container if it doesn't have a lid.

    D. Let sit for between 1 and a half and 2 hours. Every 5-10 minutes shake
    and stir solution, you want to do this as much as possible. The more you
    do this the better the turn out in my opinion.

    C. Once you have decided that it has sat long enough comes the drying
    process. Get your piece of glass or mirror and clean it. WELL. I use some
    of the ISO and then water. This would be a good time also to find a nice
    level place to put the glass/mirror on. You can see how liquid moves on it
    by pouring the ISO or Water that you are using to clean it. Take notes in
    your head. For me if I see that all the ISO goes in one place that is
    where I set up the box fan as to counter act it. But you will use the
    credit card to spread around the solution as evenly as you can.

    E. Setup your light and box fan (if thats how you are doing it, if you are
    using a blow dryer skip this step) I put my glass on a big wooden table,
    it's not perfectly level but works. Then I clip the lamp onto the table so
    its shining directly onto the glass, setup my box fan in accordance to how
    the ISO or water was flowing when I was cleaning my glass. And now I am
    ready for drying!

    F. Lightly pour the Fent/ISO solution onto your glass. This part can make
    you a little crazy if you are using a smaller piece of glass. Using a
    credit card try to spread the solution evenly around the glass. Without
    having any spill off the edges. But even if some does don't worry, it's
    not the end of the world. Make sure you get every bit of that solution on
    the glass. Try to find a way to actually squeeze the cut up pieces (it is
    normal if they are all stuck together) and get some more solution out. Now
    the solution should be fairly evenly distributed around the glass/mirror,
    if it isn't it's not a huge deal, try not to have huge pools just because
    it takes forever for the ISO to evaporate. If you have a hair dryer I
    would put it on the lowest settings and try to not have it disrupt the
    liquid too much, but just graze over the whole area with it.

    G. This is where the magic happens. The ISO will be evaporating and you
    should be seeing some kind of residue left on the glass. Remember it's not
    going to look like much. Some times it looks like crystals, some times it
    looks like someone has breathed on the glass and there is just some
    hazyness on it. Either way, this is the Fent. You want to let it evap all
    the way. It's hard to say how long it takes. Usually it takes about 30-45
    to evap to about 95-100%. But there should be no liquid. Just be patient.
    Every time you feel like scrapping off the fent just wait 10 more minutes.
    I'd say 1 hour maximum.

    H. Take your razorblade, and with a lot of pressure scrape up all the
    crystals. Now this part is funky. Sometimes it isn't crystals but more of
    a gooey gelish type material. It can have many different types of
    consistencies. I'd like to see notes on those who have tried this about
    what the yield looks like. Anyways, keep scraping. Get every little bit.
    Put it on a plate.

    And well my friends that is how you do it. It won't look like much. But
    one thing to remember is that this extract is stronger than the gel that
    comes from patches. So just the tiniest bit will give you a great rip. I'd
    say 4 spent patches is about 4-5 great rips.

    The how to smoke section will be at the bottom.....


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    Non-Gel Mylan Patches.

    I don't feel like writing the whole procedure over again from the Gel
    patches since they are virtually the same. So I am just going to explain
    what you need to do differently.

    You can use a fresh patch or a used one, or mix them. Doesn't matter. Cut
    them into strips.

    You must soak these longer. 2 hours to 2 and half hours.

    You must stir and shake much much more often. I do it every 2 minutes.
    It's a pretty tedious job but it's worth it.

    Also, you must use the strongest ISO you can find, 91%-94% the 50% or 70%
    stuff just doesn't cut it.

    You need a bit more time for the evaporation. Even when it looks like it's
    done, take the lamp and go up and down on the glass for about 10 minutes.

    The yield even for a fresh patch won't look like much. Remember we are
    dealing with MCG no MG. This is pure fent you have.

    I have noted that the extract is a bit more gooey and gel like, but if you
    continue with the lamp and heat it can be a more crystal like substance.

    Thats about it. It's easy, and the high is amazing.

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    Smoking this shit!

    Okay, people have their ways they like to smoke drugs. Here is the way I
    find that is the best.

    the Fent smoke likes to go everywhere so you want to kind of capture it.

    Take a spent toilet paper roll (this is what you are also using for
    smoking) and set it up on a table vertically. Get some tinfoil and shape
    it to the toilet paper roll. This way the smoke just stays in the long tin
    foil tube you have just made.

    Take just a tiny bit of your fent extract and drop into the foil tube. Try
    to get it into the center. Insert toiler paper tube and heat that fucker
    from the bottom. The fent might take a moment to really get going to
    breathe slowly.

    You should feel the high right away. And start of small so you can figure
    out what the proper dose for you is.


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  2. thebige

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    just wanted to bump this to see what happens
     
  3. Stimulants

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    Spreading on glass seems completely unnecessary. It's for those too inpatient to let it dry from a container.
     
  4. Helene

    Helene Gold Member

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    And just out of interest, how dangerous would it be for one to attempt to inject this stuff? Do people do so, or this a fast forward to death? Not interested swimself, just would appreciate clarification.

    H
     
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  5. Lisa J

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    SWIM hasn't found it necessary to use citric to IV fent but there are so many different brands now she would not be sure this is always the case. SWIM has had a few dodgy hits where she almost went over so go careful, it's impossible to know how much is extracted from one batch to another which is risky.
     
  6. CrookieMonster

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    if using the mylan // nongel patches should one remove them from the plastic backing before cutting them up or does that not even matter? im planning on sticking the plastic backings in there anyways since fent has touched it.. thanks in advance..

    CrookieMonster added 494 Minutes and 23 Seconds later...

    sorry for double post but i cannot edit my original post.. so swim finished doing the extraction with 10x 100mcg/hr nongel patch and SWIM's yield is about the size of a peanut M&M (does this sound like a good yield?).. it is also EXTREMELY sticky.. does anyone have a method for turning this gel (almost glue really) into a powder?
     
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  7. thebige

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    Sounds like a large yield to swim..........
    Swim has experimented and often times have come out with weird final end results,but after some failures he obtained a viable product.+++++++
    Swiy could give a small dose to a monkey at swiy local primate research center.And observe the results (and don't forget to bring some cigarettes to give to the retired circus monkeys...they always enjoy a smoke to remind them of the old days).......

    well back to the product.....with this method it is not uncommon to get different results in the end product. Now because this isn't a Betty Crocker recipe end results can sometimes turn out odd............After the monkey test and observed findings... (monkey didn't die hopefully).
    Although this might not be the best solution....a repeat ISO wash and drying procedure (again with a good amount of patience involved) may produce better end results.Honestly it took swim a couple of times to achieve the desired results.....practice makes perfect one guesses.
    Mylans/non-gel seem to sometimes produce this result as opposed to Durigesic/gel filled patches. being excessively sticky and or gooey is not unheard of.give the ISO wash and dry another run,and again some crystal like shards are not the only substance visible so take extreme care during the scraping procedure.so as not to blow away product with a slight breeze. hope this will produce better results for swiy,as it can be very frustrating when there is considerable loss in the product due to rushing it or blowing it away by accident.................this is just one suggestion and other methods may prove to be more successful
    Again Crookie please report back with your results ands any info can help streamline this procedure to produce a superior end product,as well as more effective smoking procedures...Thanks Crookie................................bige

    Sorry,but have to add this........with fentanyl products,when used trasndermally.....the effects come up over the course of the first day after application,generally full effects will be felt throughout the second day.The third day the effects will slowly taper to down to nothing.Some doctors suggest applying a new patch near the end of the second day. To avoid the comedown..........and to maintain effective pain control Extraction methods. will produce pure fent and because swiy will be dealing with mcg dosages and not mgs there can be a large and dangerous room for mistake in administered dose.Also fentanyl is a not a very euphoric drug...euphoria can be found but that euphoria is very,very close to the point of respiratory system shutdown/overdose.Its a fine line between the two and someone trying a re-dose can put them over the edge......resulting in death. Although one of the most effective medication for long acting pain control,used properly it can be a quality of life enhancing drug......abused it has a history of causing needless fatalities. well good luck to all..........................and please report at your convenience with any tips,finding,successful or unsuccesfull.......as the big e would like to compile a standard effective procedure for this..........thanks all................
     
  8. Syphr

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    So is this extraction for things like fentanyl lollipops? Can it work on patches?
     
  9. Helene

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    As per the thread title - "How to extract Fentanyl from gel and non gel patches" this extraction method is referring to transdermal fentanyl patches. Unsure about fentanyl lollipops, and whether extraction is possible - the concept of extracting fentanyl from lollipops seems slightly obsolete, why not just suck it as intended?

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  10. I_8_my yellow crayon

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    Sadly helene, yes they do, most of the time too they don't even know it, and even sadder is the outcome of doing it most of the time. SWIM has had two friends that he made in rehab die of this(SWIM has been to rehab alot:s) one of them was from baltimore, the other from chicago. It seems that a certain percentage of the bad batches of heroin that make their way through the United States, are cut with either that homemade fentanyl, or other fentanyl salts,esters and analogues.

    A quick stroll through the chemistry forum or even google search will show actually how easy this drug is to make, for a mafia/cartel hired chemist, with the access to the chemicals needed. From what SWIM has read. SWIM is not sure why this drug is so particularly easy for them to duplicate, and why it is done. Most likely due to the fact of the potency increase in the product. SWIM isn't sure if fentanyl tainted heroin is in SWIY's part of the world, but its in SWIM's. Most heavy heroin users say that if their gear is cut with fentanyl, they can tell, something to do with the type of rush. SWIM thinks he read that heroin cut with fenanyl doesn't bring on much of a rush, just a very strong analgesia, maybe it doesn't cross the BBB in the same way.

    About the snorting, yes, first hand SWIM has seen this. SWIM's old methadone clinic had many that were addicted to extracting,drying, snorting fentanyl. In the area of SWIM's methadone clinic(over two hours away:mad:) there was an abundance of fentanyl patches going around, because the doctors were trying to get their "thought to be" legit patients off of the OxyContin and Dilaudid, to a "more safe alternative", which horribly backfired. SWIM took a small 3 day course on fentanyl when he was in rehab, and it was scary what it did to ones body. It could be false, but they were saying fentanyl was such a strong mu-opioid receptor agonist, that it actually damages the little octopus type thingys that grab the fentanyl for binding to the receptor. Just food for thought.

    Take care, be safe
    i8myc
     
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    Swim doesn't think it is at all common for heroin in the UK to be cut with fentanyl, but is aware that this happens a lot in the US. Fentanyl is subject to extremely rigorous controls in the UK, generally speaking it mainly used for end-stage cancer patients and such like - people who couldn't do without it, in terms of pain relief. So there is nothing like the level of diverted supply, and far less fentanyl is prescribed in total. It's just not something that the average heroin user in the UK would even have heard of, let alone seen. Won't go into this again here, save to say that the UK has much more stringent pharmaceutical controls at production, prescribing and dispensing stages, as a result there is nowhere near the level of pharmaceutical abuse as in the US. However, the UK has many, many more heroin addicts per capita population, so it's all swings and roundabouts really, isn't it?

    Fentanyl seems to be a very, very dangerous drug to get involved with.

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    a repeat wash gave me the exact same result.. does anyone else have any suggestions on how to get this sticky goo to turn into a powder?
     
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    Not really a how-to-fix-goo problem but SWIM managed to find 99% pure isopropyl alcohol at the local Safeway. It did a better job on the extraction front and left less goo\garbage etc. SWIM noticed that with the 94\90% etc that it was less effective and tended to leave more "stuff" (likely containing fent but other crap too) SWIM called a few medical supply houses (where u can buy wheelchairs, oxygen bottles etc) and all claimed to carry 99.9% pure iso alcohol
    Just a thought...
     
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    i found this little gem on the other forum.. swim will give methanol a try sometime in the near future..

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    LOL...that's gem swi_Crookie...

    SWIM had heard Methanol was the best....but that's a great little comparison chart.
     
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    Interesting, but it's of questionable credibility without a credible citation.
     
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    there is a very large write up on the other opiate oriented forum.. i dont want to rip his post but i will give the link to the pdf that the graph came from..
    tmci.o r g /opioid/sept06docs/BIANCHI.pdf
     
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    As swim stated in the first post....he did not invent this method ,but was only passing it on.
    although something about that graph looks kind of fishy...........
     
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    SWIM has soaked their fentantyl patch in alchohol for 2 hours, but is confused as to what the next step is.

    He put the previous try on glass, but found it hard to scrape off as it was very thin.

    would it work to put the solution directly onto foil, and once its dried to smoke it?

    xfullboost added 55 Minutes and 46 Seconds later...

    swim put the solution directly on the foil and had amazing results
     
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    Swim says:

    Hi All, I am new, my name is Suzanne, I have been on fentanyl 75 for about 2 years and they have totally stopped working. I al ways got the Mylan but last month they were short so i got 3 gel patchs. I did smoke one and have never felt better and more out of pain. Now all i have left are the Mylan. Can someone please tell me exactly how I can smoke these if it is possible? I have to be careful not to mess it up since they only give me what I need per month and I cannot ger extras. Thanks, i appreciate any info on this very much! I am glad to be a part of this forum and wish you all the best!
     
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