How to get RC’s out of bag

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  1. William_Again

    William_Again Gold Member

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    I recently got some 2C-E and 2C-D and due to some scale problems I
    asked my source to put them in various 10mg bags and 200mg bags but I
    didnt think that with such a small amount in a bag that it would be
    tricky to get all the powder out, but it is, the powder tends to stick
    to the sides and clumps up. What do you guys do or what can I do to
    make sure I get as much out without losing product?
     
  2. club222

    club222 Gold Member

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    I have found this to be a pain in the ass also. When SWIM finished
    his bag of Foxy, or so he thought it was done, he tore the bag open and
    drug a razor across the insides of the bag many times. This yielded
    ~6mg stuck to the insides of the bag. It was such a small amount spread
    out over the bag he just couldn't see it at all. If the bags that you
    have are already in 10mg increments then you could try the razor
    technique that I used, and if you plan on finishing the 10mg baggie
    then just lick the insides of the bag as much as you can.
     
  3. gn2osis

    gn2osis Iridium Member

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    The best way to get it all out, if you use the "water method", is flush
    the bag out several times and collect all the liquid. Be sure to
    use a solvent that will dissolve the RC, like alcohol or dilute aqueous
    acid (like lemon juice).

    Of course, you'll want to know precisely how much you've
    collected. The only way to be certain is to first weigh the bag
    with the powdery residue, and then after washing the bag out, let it
    dry completely and then weigh it again. The difference = how much
    RC you've washed out.

    If you are truly certain that your source has weighed exactly (say) 100
    mg into the bag, you can just use a known amount of liquid to wash it all
    into a container and not bother with the weighing step.

    I don't recommend licking unknown quantities of material under any
    circumstances if the material is psychoactive in the milligram range (i.e., just about any RC).

    Edited by: gn2osis
     
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  4. club222

    club222 Gold Member

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    I would only lick the bag if I knew beforehand like he does that the
    bags were weighed out to 10mg per bag, and you were planning on taking
    10mg from the beginning, then you could just take the whole bag and
    lick it..
     
  5. Solidly-here

    Solidly-here Gold Member

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    If someone weighs it out for you, make it easy to see.


    If I asked a Source to measure-out some product for me, I would ask him to pour it into a gelatin capsule. Therefore, you could have a 10mg cap, a 20 mg cap, a 17.3 mg cap.


    The good news about gelatin capsules is that Research Chemicals tend to NOT stick to them: What you see is what you (will) get.


    This is the method I use whenI measure-out doses. I know what 20 mg looks like in the bottom of a capsule; I pour some into another capsule; I carefully compare them; POOF! Now I have a 20 mg dose.


    If I want a little bit more, I can (1) eyeball-in a little bit, or (2) create another 20 mg dose, pour it out, cut it in half, pour that extra in with the first dose.
     
  6. gn2osis

    gn2osis Iridium Member

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    ^ not a reliable method. Density of powder isn't consistent
    enough to rely on eyeballing under any circumstances. Please use
    a scale or the so-called water method.
     
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    korky8097 Gold Member

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    i just add the alcohol to the baggie, tape the corners and edges, use a
    syringe to get the desired amount of liquid, and dose. This is
    only for amounts im going to use within a few weeks.
     
  8. William_Again

    William_Again Gold Member

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    I tried that razor blade thing with a bag of 2c-e....lets just say I
    lost some decent product and it didn't go well, the razor blade was
    bigger than the bag and it basically shredded the bag (and before you
    say anything I was careful I didn't just dig into it like wild boar)



    I found that a small butter knife works well at getting powder off the corners and sides of the bag.
     
  9. Dreeker

    Dreeker Gold Member

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    a great way i have found is to use a mixer (taken from a chemistry set/room of course)


    it is a metal tweezer like thing, with a wide base about this size ( ) very handy for takin Research Chemical out of the bag. or if u would like to take everything out, i would dump it int o a teflon coated non electricially charged bag, the ones they store computer parts in, it is very handy and almost nothing sticks to it





    Stay safe,know your source and know your dosage!
     
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    How did the razor shred the bag? It was a plastic bag right? Sorry
    about losing your product, I wouldn't have suggested it if it hadn't
    worked for me before.
     
  11. radiometer

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    I'd suggest using scissors or such to open the bag into a flat shape first,
    maybe some people aren't doing that? Then you can scrape gently to
    remove what you can.
     
  12. William_Again

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    It was a tiny bag and I cut the bag open before I started doing
    anything, but the razor blade was a bit to sharp and a bit to big for
    the bag and it started tearing at the inside as I scraped it along and
    with less pressure the razor blade wasn't catching all the powder. The
    lemon juice worked better and so did using a flat unsharp butter knife.



    Though the razor blade is not out of the picture, I use it to scrape
    any product off the counter top and off of my scale that I might spill
    (and I will spill some as I am a messy weigher).
     
  13. TheLight01

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    I always use a razor, this tends to get everything out and relatively good dosed.
     
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    SWIM just bought 500 Gelatin Capsules for this very reason.
    SWIM's source is in real life, and SWIM just gives the capsules to his
    source, and the source takes care of the rest.
     
  15. Triple7

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    That idea with lemon I like.. how much should one take?? Mix lemon
    drops with drops of water?? Could the Research Chemical react with the lemon if one
    drops them right into the bag?? Or, how about first mix some lemon
    drops and water and then draw it into the syringe.. empty the syringe
    into the bag... and then suck all the contents back into the syrringe..



    .. I just had an idea.. wouldn't it be nice with some water proof
    gelcaps that would disolve in the stomach. Dose into these gel caps
    with some water method.



    Make your first million $, invent that gel cap for us!! [​IMG]
     
  16. gn2osis

    gn2osis Iridium Member

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    About 2 parts water, 1 part lemon juice is fine.

    Won't react, but should dissolve much quicker (relative to just using water). This is true for most RC's.

    Bingo!

    Anyway, Radiometer's idea about cutting the bag open and scraping off
    the residue with a razor blade is also very good, and should get almost
    everything out.
     
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  17. raven3davis

    raven3davis R.I.P. Palladium Member R.I.P.

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    It is definitely a bitch to get the powder outa the bag, but if you are going to dilute in liquid, then SWIM just measures out the liquid, 500ml, then sucks up a few ml with a syringe and injects into baggie, washes out a few times, and that normally does the trick. If I am weighing the doses out, he just scoops them with a knife and makes sure to add a little bit at a time.
     
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    I like to flood the rest w 96% EtOH,than gently evap it.if anything remains
     
  19. Sklander

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    I bought a milligram scale online. However, SWIM prefers to dilute his chemicals in some kind of liquid. I find this to be the most accurate way of measuring doses.


    Has anyone had any luck with gel capping machines? You could obviously mix an Research Chemical with a filler like vitamin C.
     
  20. nanobrain

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    ^as per individual dose premeasured for individual caps? yes.

    otherwise, since the particle properties for filler and active are different, in no way will a standardised mixture be achieved.