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Dose - how to get the most out of extended release morphine?

Discussion in 'Morphine' started by DXMBunny, Jul 10, 2010.

  1. DXMBunny

    DXMBunny Silver Member

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    EDIT** Swim forgot to say he has a pretty moderate opiate tolerance, it takes 30-40mg of hydrocodone to start to receive effects.

    sorry if a simple search could of worked, short on time.

    I have a 30mg green little morphine pill, it is extended release. He is wondering what is the best way to get the most effects out of this for recreational but mostly pain relief? I have used a couple before experimenting with what he has read, He tried plugging a third of pill at first, no avail. Then plugging half a short time there after, then on a fresh day he tried plugging a half, he is unsure if the effects were there or mostly placebo, it was questionable. Plus it seemed to be short lasted.

    I would like duration but has read that oral is just simply wasteful, unless one has a lot but then it is costly wasteful.

    So what would be the best thing to do with this pill, crush and snort?(doesnt like and heard its not must more useful than oral) Plug it all?
    or oral? if he remembers right he orally took half before with no results. or convert to something else? swim wont use needles tho nor has one. Also should I rub the green stuff off, is that part of the extended release mechanism? and does that work to take it off? is there anyway to take off the ER? and does it even matter if swim plugs it?

    Thank you, also I had purple ones that were the exact same stuff before, but now has a green one instead. different brands is all he believes is the difference.

    Swim shall check here soon, he is not looking to use for at least a couple of days.

    Thanks for reading and responding! :)
     
  2. Moving Pictures

    Moving Pictures Titanium Member

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    With that tolerance to hydrocodone (30-40mg to feel anything) 30 mg morphine would do little to nothing for swiy. I always just chews up his MSContin and swallows or occasionally snorts. Plugging does have a better bioavailability but swim's never tried it. Try plugging a whole one but You shouldn't count on much effects with his tolerance. Not much you can do if your tolerance is too high though. IV or IM is out of the question with those pills as they don't cook down.
     
  3. DXMBunny

    DXMBunny Silver Member

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    Thats the confusing part to I am hydrocodone use to give him a great buzz at 5mg, but now it is basically useless. where as 5mg oxy knocks him on his ass overboard. And he hasnt had his hands on either for month H and months/year for O.

    He will likely give the plug a try, should be tomorrow. Will try to report back.

    Thanks for the reply!
     
  4. kailey_elise

    kailey_elise Gold Member

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    If needles are a no-go, then plugging the whole pill seems like the best bet.

    Make sure You crushes it well and mixes it with a decent amount of water (like, an oral/baby medicine syringe-full) before sticking it up there (with lube, naturally). Just shoving a pill up there doesn't work, obviously. ;)

    Morphine can be reasonably underwhelming for those versed in other opioids, though.

    ~Kailey
     
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    EyesOfTheWorld Silver Member R.I.P.

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    THIS. You doesn't need a needle, just a baby medicine syringe, and follow the above instructions. With you's tolerance I would suggest using the whole pill and remember, as KE said, despite its reputation for potency (which comes more from medical literature and from it being the standard IV painkiller in wartime, in hospitals and so forth, and not so much from recreational users), morphine can be underwhelming*. Example, way back when I could get nicely high of 80 mgs oral hydrocodone (this was a loooong time ago, that wouldn't even get him unsick these days), he chopped and snorted a 100 mg morphine, figuring it was going to be The Shit. Meh. Slight rush about 5 minutes after snorting, kinda high-ish for a couple hours, back to baseline by 3 hours, back to withdrawals by 8 hours


    * However, just because its underwhelming doesn't mean keep doing more. Morphine IS very powerful, but unfortunately it's more powerful in the painkilling and sedation sense, and not so much the euphoric/rush/high sense. This makes ODing easy as people chase the high they're used to from other opiates, not knowing it's just not there at any dose. This doesn't mean don't try it, it is a worthwhile, decently fun drug especially at mild tolerance levels, like you's
     
  6. DXMBunny

    DXMBunny Silver Member

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    Swim feels retarded, did he honestly simply waste all those pills he just simply shoved up his ass just whole like that. Is this why I could never really be sure any effects were received. Was it completely pointless or does it sort of work? So swim can get a baby med syringe from the local mart and just fill with crushed pill/water and how far up does swim stick it?

    He was barely able to convince himself to stick one finger to stick a pill up there, he just shoved it up to the point where it feels like one is past the tight passage and enters a bigger opening. So I am unsure that he can get the courage to shove any kind of syringe up there. he just doesn't like the idea. nor can imagine tolerating the feeling/pain. Thanks for the replies, answering those questions tonight would be forever grateful. Thanks.
     
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    Then just chew the pills up an swallow them.
     
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    kailey_elise Gold Member

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    It works if the pill dissolves easily. However, most opioid pills do not.

    Even so, with the tolerance one has spoken of, one might still go with a whole pill.

    The medicine syringes/droppers (think, mini turkey baster) are rounded on the end, and thinner than one's finger. One would insert it the same way, to where it is past the tight passage, then squeeze the liquid out. There's no pain (esp if one puts a little hand lotion or olive/vegetable oil on the tip to make it slide easier), but it does feel, well, weird. After expelling the liquid, just lay back for a minute or two, then one can go about their business. It can take up to 30 minutes to kick in, but it's usually MUCH faster than that (less than 10 minutes, generally).

    Those whole pills may have been wasted; they may have dissolved so slowly as to not be noticeable. That's why one should crush it up & mix it with a bit of water before insertion - that way it's already dissolved, and all the rectum veins have to do is absorb all the goodies. *grin*

    ~Kailey
     
  9. DXMBunny

    DXMBunny Silver Member

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    Care to elaborate? did one read swims tolerance and why would he waste it by doing it oral when one has read that he only gets less than 20% out of it, I am looking for the best route with least waste.

    Thank you for another response anyways.


    Thank you Kailey for a great answer, I will attempt and report back. thanks a bunch, he just needs money to go to store for syringe.
     
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    That's why I said just chew it up and swallow it. If using it anally makes You uncomfortable, go for the easy way. If You doesn't think it's worth taking orally, then bite the bullet and shove the syringe up swiyour ass. :D
     
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    If u have a script of them e.r. pills then my pet rat likes to take about 10 15 mg e.r. when his dumb rat has ran through his hydros too soon. My rat does this often. My rat seems pretty content in doing this. it keeps the w/d's away and even a warm soft glow that usually nods the rat alot.
    Do not start with this dose. My pet rat needs 200mg of hydros now to get a feeling.I imagine this is why it takes 150mg e.r. to get my rat content. But my rat says the feeling comes in waves and there's nothing steady aout it. 20 minutes of feeel good. 30 mins of nothing. another 20-30 mins of nods per haps my rat needs to lower tolerance badly. I'll try to squueak to him once again about it.Is this a very unsafe thing my rat is doing?
     
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    Lmfao! I just don't even know with this one. That's... Lol. Just wow. Why do people insist on doing stupid things when the Internet has so much information. Just siting to be googled?
     
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    I may be getting to try morphine for the first time soon. It's the "Vendal Retard" variety (lolz) if that matters--i.e. morphine chlorhydrate SR 30mg.

    I have a modest opiate tolerance, i.e. 120-160 mg of dihydrocodeine per day. But 10mg oxycodone or hydrocodone gets me feeling nice. Just wondering what a good starting dose of morphine would be, and which ROA would be most effective? (IV is not an option).
     
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    Plugging IS definitely the most effective, bioavailable way to get the most out of the drug. Sadly, oral availablity is only about 30%, so much of the drug is wasted.

    Given your tolerance, I would think that 10-15 mg rectally might be the way to start. Wait a while, and you can always add more later if that isn't enough.

    Good luck.