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Extraction - How to make a Kratom Extract/Resin

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by 0utrider, Oct 30, 2008.

  1. 0utrider

    0utrider Palladium Member

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    For overall information on Kratom look Kratom: usage, dosage, different types

    Using Kratom Resin might also be interesting in this concern

    So a friend of mine wrote the following:

    Requirements:
    Kratom
    A pot or more pots
    An oven / a stove
    cotton cloth, sieve and similar things (maybe coffee filters)
    water
    time

    Since extracts / resins are overly expensive he decided do make some himself. Asking vendors for bulk powder/leafs in bigger quantities and discounts works, it's quite easy to find cheap kratom in big packages. He decided for 50 grams in this case, the picture says 70 but he used 20 already. He would say its "average" quality.

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    He started just pouring the whole content in a pot and let it simmer with the water close to boiling. The following procedures are all with water close to boiling / boiling / simmering, usually always giving a few drops of lemon juice to it in order to dissolve the alkaloids more easily.

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    Its crude leafes, although powder would have been better probably. Also use the stems, since they also contain good stuff.

    The described filtering was done 4 times, the last time letting the mixture sit over night before filter. After cooking / letting it sit for an hour or two it gets filter, first using a sieve to filter the crude stuff, then a cotton cloth, to filter the fine stuff. Here you can, if you want higher quality, use another cotton cloth or even a coffee filter, but its not worth the time in my opinion.

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    Pour the filtered liquid in a small pot and let it sit around 80°c so that it carefully and slowly evaporates the water while the leafes are being filtered a few times more.

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    This is what the filtered liquid can look like.

    After doing thsi 3-5 times, the small pot is set to evaporate more, till its getting a thicker liquid, gulp-like, but still being a fluid.

    Now we get to the oven:
    If you wanna be careful put it under 80, if you are in a hurry use 150, 100°c should be fine. At best put it on fan, just as seen in the left button on the picture underneath, since what we wanna do is get the water out.

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    Put it in the oven somehow like this, so it will concentrate at one point of the pot, which will make it easier to remove later. leave the oven a tiny bit open for the water to leave it

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    After evaporating all the water, it should look like this: notice: as soon as it gets thicker, turn the heat down a little, you dont wanna burn it. If its warm it will never become totally solid, if you think theres not much water in it left or almost none, let it cool down and check if its hard. you might wanna scrape it out will its close to becoming hard and put it on a plate or so.. spots might still be wet, just put it in the oven again.. btw if you cant clean the pot out completley, just put a glas of water in it, let it boil and you have your first kratom tea, dont waste the good stuff

    here are the results:
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    If you wanna use it you have to boil it again. Just pouring hot water over it wont be enough for it to dissolve, you have to boil it (might as well do it in the microwave).
    the result will look like this, with a little sugar and a glass of orange-juice next to it it's bearable.

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    have fun

    comments and good rep points are welcomed :)



    i found another tek
     

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  2. 0utrider

    0utrider Palladium Member

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    no feedback at all?
     
  3. AceOvArts

    AceOvArts Newbie

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    good work O, this method is a simple way to make extract. There are other methods (like using alcohol that will extract more alkaloids) But most people can benifit from this method.
    The only thing I have found with simple methods is that one is left with quite a large amount of matter. SWIM did the alcohol route one time and though it was a fun experiment it still left SWIM with a large amount of "stuff" he had to consume. Of course its not as much as if he had to consume the leaf but then SWIM felt he didnt extract all of the goodies either.
    Thanks for the report though its very useful !!!
     
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  4. Scrubbs

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    Cool Tek in my opinion, although I think there is really no point in putting it in the oven to harden and then dilute it back into water just to use it. Why not keep it in it's original watery form?

    But actually this TEK sounds nice. Sounds like every time SWIM uses Kratom, he should boil up a bunch of leaves to a smaller amount rather than ingesting alot of material.

    You know what though? I am pretty sure that there is some loss in material when extracting or boiling down to a smaller size.
     
  5. 0utrider

    0utrider Palladium Member

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    there is some loss. for the average user who just wants to take his 10g.. not worth the hassle. but if one (which is comparatively cheaper) buys a whole lot of it and uses it, this would nicer and probably even time spending (didnt really take much time.. )

    the point of drying it is that one cant store it if its liquid. it will become bad pretty soon otherwise
     
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    Scrubbs Mercury Member

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    Swim has always used extracts in the past but recently ordered some regular leaf. With extract Swim would only need a glass of juice for about 2 grams or so. I am trying to figure out how much juice would Swim need for 10 grams of regular leaf? I hope it's not 5 glasses cuz that's just way too much to consume. That's why I thought it would be nice to boil the water down to a smaller amount with the regular leaf.

    The lost amount of Kratom alkaloids, is it substantial? Is 10% or is something crazy like 30%? Anyone have any thoughts?

    PeAcE
     
  7. 0utrider

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    if SWIY only uses 10g just down it icnluding the leafs or capsulate it. otherways give it maybe a few brief boils just as if you'd make a tea (thats boiled). this way the loss would be quite small. not sure about teh water, but all the alkaloids should well be absorbed by less than 1-2 glasses of water. any more would not result in higher yields
     
  8. Benga

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    made this a sticky, it's nice and clear !
     
  9. 0utrider

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    sweet :)
     
  10. aroidgrower

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    Thanks outriderx.

    It is very clear and concise. Swim is going to try it and save the leaves and use everclear the get the rest of the goodies from the leaves after the original extraction using water and a little acidifier is completed. The acidifier is essential in swim's opinion because it extracts more of the alkaloids from the leaves than everclear or water alone.

    How do swiy compare the final product of swiy's extraction to the effects of the leftover unextracted plain leaf?

    Aroid
     
  11. Nacho

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    I have read about a few experiences with people that used that second tek. In the end, they were projectile vomiting. Great post though :thumbsup:
     
  12. NeuroChi

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    How potent is the extract, compared to the original leaf?

    And if one were to put the resin in capsules and consume them, would it dissolve easily or should it first be dissolved in water and drank as tea?

    Great TEK by the way, get's the job done. :cool:
     
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    So you got 15g or resin from 50g of leaf. That would suggest an approx 3x resin extract.

    Your resin that you weighted out... was it soft and gooey (with water content) or hard (no water content) ?
     
  14. serpentine

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    in my opinion there's no point in makin' a solid extract to re-dissolve later in water when swim wants to dose...swim would just make a tea with 3x the amount of leaves and save time...swim wants to make an extract out of his kratom because he just can not tolerate the disgusting taste of it, or because he wanna dose everywhere he wants to without the need of a stove...

    couldn't that extract just be swallowed?
     
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    can this resin be smoked???
     
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    if swim smokes kratom will get nothing but a headache...no matter how strong his extract is
     
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    Why heat it back down into a tea? Couldn't SWIM just eat the resin?
     
  18. 0utrider

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    it won't dissolve in your stomach fast, it will take very long/will not dissolve. obviously it depends on the size of it, if SWIY would swallow tiny (!) chunky and drink some hot tea it might (maaaaybe) work. otherwise: no
     
  19. NeuroChi

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    Of course it will, it's water soluble, the acidic environment in your stomach will break it up.
     
  20. thepeng

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    SWIM tried this today. SWIM also added cinnamon, vanilla extract and the contents of a few chai tea bags to the initial pot of water. SWIM has a pan of delicious sticky goo.

    thepeng added 2 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...

    p.s. Resin definitely dissolves in the stomach. SWIM eats it weekly, works just fine but a little longer to kick in and a little longer to fade.
     
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