How to roll the hands down epic joint.

Discussion in 'Cannabis' started by Qish, Mar 26, 2005.

  1. Qish

    Qish Silver Member

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    Jan 4, 2005
    63 y/o
    This is the epic* joint, every possible aspect has been considered and mastered for an epic smoking experience.

    Before you do this, you must have an understanding of the inside out
    joint, so if you dont know how to roll an inside out joint stop right
    here and google "inside out joint"

    Once you understand the workings of the inside out joint we can continue.

    What i am about to share with you, is the skill to make a joint that
    which will shock everyone in the room, people will be in awe and will
    ask if yuo accept students. in most cases an epic joint will be passed
    around several times in a group just so each person can look in
    amazement at the literal Godlike ability one must have to create such a
    perfect masterpiece.

    Some people dont think this stuff matters, but it does, the way that a
    joint is rolled plays a major roll in how smooth it will be. infact
    once you can implement these skills, you will be able to roll tobaco so
    smooth that non-smokers wont even cough when taking a hit off of it.

    I kid you not.

    Now, onto the instructions.

    first you will need a few things:

    1. pack of rizlas in the silver pack.

    2. pencil

    3. a ramrod with a slightly smaller circumfrence than the pencil.

    4. tray

    5. scissors

    first, take your scissors and cut a long strip of cardboard off of your
    pack of rizlas, roll it up. The idea behind this is to make it the
    exact circumfrence of the pencil. This however will NOT be used as a
    filter, as some folks tend to do, which i do not recomend because the
    hot smoke can create fumes which will alter the tase, Plus i will
    instruct you on how to create a good paper mouth piece later.

    now this is were we detor from the normal inside out joint. take you
    paper and wrap it around the pencil inside out style, wrap the paper
    around the pencil and lick where you think the sticky side is, causing
    it to soak through and stick to the sticky side.

    after you lick, use the area of skin between your bottom lip and chin,
    sliding across the paper enwrapped pencil to dry it completely.

    now you should have a paper tube with a pencil in it, with a "flag"
    hanging off to the side, take your lighter and light the flag on fire
    so that it burns away down to the seal. you might need to drag your
    flame around the seal for a few seconds lightly as if you where baking
    a joint to burn it all away.

    now you should have a perfect paper tube around your pencil, take your cardboard filter and slide the tube onto the filter.

    now you should have what appears to be a cigarette with nothing in it.

    now holding the joint by the cardboard end, shovel little bits of weed
    into it, i find that tilting the trey so that gravity pulls it down
    ward and poking at it with my finger is the best way to send weed down
    the tube. also tap it against a hard surface to make the weed settle
    into it, and use your ram rod to push it down. feel free to pound in a
    ton of weed, you can put an incredible amount of weed into it by
    packing it hard which will make the joint last a very very long time.

    its also required to grind your weed pretty finely, if you dont have a
    weed grinder just you need to go to the head shop instantly for 2

    1. You will never be able to grind it fine enough by hand.

    2. By grinding it by hand the weed absorbs the oils from your skin which alters the taste.

    now once you have the paper tube filled with weed, twist off the end so that it acts as a wick.

    now i use tweezers, or a needle, but it is physically possible to do it
    with your fingers, pull the cardboard filter out of the other end, and
    what you want to do is fold it flat, then twist it and fold it flat
    again, do this a few times and it should look as if it is a piece of

    your joint should look remotely like this


    __l&am p;nb sp; \/\</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
    l_______/\/</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">

    now for the mouth piece ( the end that looks like a candy wrapper) wet
    your lips ever so slightly, and bite the very end of the flaps off with
    your teeth, this will make the rizla paper pretty firm and twisted off
    into a perfect mouth piece.

    it should now look like this


    __l \</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">


    now to
    light the joint, you burn the very tip of the wick at the end, and then
    hold it upside down, it should take about 15 seconds after the flame
    has hit the joint, for the weed to actually start burning, hold it
    upside down the entire time.</span><br style="font-family: verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
    <br style="font-family: verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
    point behind this is so that the butane fire never touches your weed,
    this may sound trivial but it isnt, and when the wick its self lights
    the joint it will be lit perfectly evenly. so this is a very important
    step.</span><br style="font-family: verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
    <br style="font-family: verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
    now you should have a joint that looks (and is) better than any joint rolled by a machine or by any other method.</span><br style="font-family: verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
    <br style="font-family: verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
    advantages to this is that minimal paper is used as all extra paper is
    burned away, but the very coolest part about this is that you can wrap
    your paper around anything to make a paper tube of any size, i once
    sealed 2 papers together and wrapped them around a tube that was
    thicker than a quarter and i was able to put about an ounce of weed
    into one joint, which is fucking graet for parties, although i you aer
    giong to do something as asininely ridiculous as that its best to use a
    sturdier paper than the silver pack rizlas. </span>


    i imagine in the future, when weed is legal, and my backyard is
    infested with it, i will wrap papers around a base ball bat and make
    joints the size of baseball bats, with maybe a pound of weed in each

    the other side to this of course, is that you can make your tube around
    something thin, i can make a perfectly functional joint the
    circumfrence of a match stick.

    Now one other tip, the hardest part people run into (and this is what
    causes people to give up on joints) is that they do not understand the
    atitude that is required to "tuck" the sticky side under the paper.

    now this is important to know when rolling it around the pencil, but
    even more important to know if you are going to make a ghetto american
    style joint with your thumbs and pointer fingers.

    the secret to tucking the paper under, is to just roll it all in one
    swift movement, most people have never tried this, because they lack
    the confidence to just roll it. they will try to wedge little bits in
    under and tuck them in little bits at a time, or tuck it in at one end
    and then roll it under, all bad ideas, you just have to take it and
    roll it in one movement, most people never try this assuming it will
    just fold backward, but it doesnt.

    practice rolling with a pencil or tube instead of weed to really get a hang of it.

    Also there is much debate over stuffing vs rolling.

    rolling being like how a machine makes it, stuffing being, using a ramrod to shove it down.

    I believe in stuffing personlly, because it gives you much more choice
    as to how long you want the joint to last, you can pack it very lightly
    if you want, or very compounded where as you are much more limited with
    rolling to the amount in that which you can hold in your hands/machine
    without spilling.

    *Epic, being the at the end of the greatness spectrum, which goes in this order.

    Neat, Cool/Good**, Great, Mega, Super, Ultra, Epic, Ultimate.***

    **Recent studies show that cool is the equivalent to good, anyone that tells you otherwise is mistaken.

    ***Ultimate is an infinite state, in that which it can never be
    achieved, it is the state that which is better than what can be done,
    Epic represents the best of something possible in our realm of
    understanding. where as something ultimate, would have no room for

    Edited by: Qish
  2. Qish

    Qish Silver Member

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    Jan 4, 2005
    63 y/o
    Well the html kinda fucked up on the text diagram, so just imagine that "&nb sp;" isnt there.</span>
  3. Qish

    Qish Silver Member

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    Jan 4, 2005
    63 y/o
    i made this image to explain the act of burning the flag.





    once the fire touches the flag, it will burn away, leaving you with just the tube surrounding the pencil.
  4. Creeping Death

    Creeping Death Iridium Member

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    Jun 29, 2004
    I tried this with a king size rizla, but i wrapped it around the pen the wrong way and didn't get a "flag", on top of that, i got way more paper than is needed in a joint. It still looked good, but i'll give this epic one a try later on.

    The thing is, when you roll it with a pen it doesn't have a joint shape. It's a straight cylinder, and its not very old-school.
  5. Sky Walker

    Sky Walker Gold Member

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    Apr 5, 2005
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    This is quite possibly the worst method ever,for rolling impressivejoints. First, it can not be classed as "rolling" a joint,it is mearly "packing" skins to form a joint. Second, the skill and ability needed to drop weed into a tube isn't reallythat impresive so i doubt it will shock or amaze anyone,in any room,ever. However, there is still hope for you. When you can master the ability to roll freehand without a pencil your joints will be much better and you will possess the true, "Godlike ability" one must achieveto leavean audience in awe and tobeginaccepting students.

    Practice makes perfect!

    Edited by: Lukey
  6. Qish

    Qish Silver Member

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    Jan 4, 2005
    63 y/o
    thats nuts dude, the skill isnt in overcoming a flawed practice, its creating a method that which ANYONE can use.

    it uses the least amount of paper, easy to do, looks good (and i think a cylinder is best, less suspicious)

    plus when you pack a cylinder you have the option of packing it lightly
    for a fast smoke, hard hitting joint, or real packed for a longer
    burning joint.

    its the best of all worlds and you can make ridiculously big joints (thats what woo's the crowds)

    PLUS when you roll it by hand, the oils and salt off your skin soak into the paper which is no good.
  7. coppafeel

    coppafeel Newbie

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    Feb 23, 2005
    Packing is for pussies who cant roll. Rolling is an art, not a science. Creativity in form is important.
  8. P!MPJU!C3

    P!MPJU!C3 Newbie

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    Jul 13, 2004
    Americans cant roll good joints [​IMG] . A joint ,as u said, should be rolled inside out, thin and tall. Thats the way I do it. Or very thin at the bottom and and somewhat fatter at the top with a "TIP" (paper mouth piece,its round with a M in the middle.) Plus the fact that stuffing takes to fucking long. Rolling a joint takes like 2 minutes. Its seems that ur project qish, takes 2 hours!

  9. coppafeel

    coppafeel Newbie

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    Feb 23, 2005
    thats so sure they can be big and what not but come on, if yer gonna roll a spliff roll one, ya know? its an art not a science
  10. William_Again

    William_Again Gold Member

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    Jan 27, 2005
    from U.S.A.
    People will scoff at this, but to make a perfect joint everytime use a
    joint roller, they are so worth it and it literally only takes 10
    seconds (from the time you grab your bag to the time you lick the
    paper) to make the perfect even joint.
  11. damania

    damania Newbie

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    Apr 20, 2005

    That's exactly how it's done. I always hate it when people roll short fat joints aka cannons. I'm a fan of the long thin one's myself too [​IMG]
  12. coppafeel

    coppafeel Newbie

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    Feb 23, 2005
    joints as well as blunts should have shape to them...i like to make
    mine smallest on the end you puff on, then getting fatter as they reach
    the middle and then tapering off a bit to be small on the other
    end...long and thin isnt always that great, but definitely better than
    a wide open fatty. joints should smoke smoothly, not blow your
    head off. thats what blunts are for[​IMG]
  13. joetaco

    joetaco Newbie

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    Jan 15, 2005
    Mmmm... blunts. [​IMG]
  14. Undergradu8

    Undergradu8 Newbie

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    Apr 19, 2005
    Spliff should be rolled with two king size papers, stuck in a shallow V shape.

    inside outs are just for showing off at parties [​IMG]