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Side effects - I need your input!! 1st use = induced psychosis

Discussion in 'LSD Discussions' started by Psilocybined, Jun 3, 2010.

  1. Psilocybined

    Psilocybined Newbie

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    Hey everybody, Im interested in what you think swim should do about this

    So about a month ago swims girlfriend took lsd for the first time, the next day she was fine considering the night before.

    the day after she started slipping into a trip, the next day was worse, 4 days go by and swim made the decision to take her to the hospital

    she was in for 3 days in a psychological rehabilitation place..

    she then spent a week with her family and has been back since the 13th.

    well recently swims girlfriend hasnt been doing to well, they gave her an anxiety medication but it doesnt help.
    shes set on "walking it off" like she'll be fine but swim doesnt agree

    swim did some research and

    her symptoms mimic those of schizophrenia

    swim would greatly appreciate some advice or the opinions of drugs-forum.com users


    thanks in advance
     
  2. EscapeDummy

    EscapeDummy Palladium Member

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    99% of the time, when people have psychological problems after a trip, it is HPPD (hallucinogen persisting perception disorder), or in the case of a bad trip PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder).

    Does swiy GF family have a history of psychological problems (depression, anxiety, bipolar etc?). Because LSD has been known to trigger those illnesses in some individuals.

    Also, another important thing: does swiy know that it was really LSD? Surely the dealer said it was LSD, but there are many substances that can be put on blotters which are not LSD and have different effects.
     
  3. Psilocybined

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    theres no history swim is aware of

    swim also told me they did it together and took 2 hits each but swim has been totally fine ever since taking it
     
  4. sandoz1943

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    Though SWIM loves LSD she must admit that it can summon up so scary unpleasant things for some. Though said GF seamed o.k. after, there is a distinct and and irresistible urge (by some) to pick at these mental and or emotional scabs. SWIM can imagine that over the course of a few days someone could pick quite a big bloody gaping mess. LSD tends to bring everything out into the light and truth be told we all hide some ugly part of us that we hope never sees the light of day.

    There may also be something traumatic lurking in her past she has never dealt with properly or as suggested some yet undetected form of mental illness. SWIM suggest give said GF all the love and support she needs during this difficult time. Resist the urge to revisit the experience until the source of the disturbance can be ascertained.

    LSD is not for everyone there is a chance GF is one of those people and that is perfectly o.k. Best of luck to you both and a quick return to a "normal" frame of mind to said GF!
     
  5. Jatelka

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    It is very early days yet, and far too soon to be jumping to conclusions about schizophrenia. LSD may unmask latent problems in individuals already predisposed to develop such, but (as already mentioned) other things than psychosis could be the issue.
     
  6. mushyword

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    For starters if shes been in psychological rehabilitation for three days and no specialists there have yet been able to give a proper diagnosis, no one on this site short of a professional in such matters and in that case, given all the appropriate information and background of this person is going to be able to help. Even then she would have to see them face to face.

    The anxiety medication may not be working yet because some take a while to 'kick in'. Do you know what the medication is called?

    Mushyman believes you need to persist in getting her help if this doesn't improve, because getting help before things spiral further out of control can be crucial. Even you could go with her just to let the doctors etc know exactly how much she has been effected by this experience, would be great, so they know the seriousness of the situation, especially if she is "walking it off" like it is no big deal.

    Mushyman can tell you is incidents of a similar nature to this actually happen a lot more often than people generally know about. Mushyman knows several people that have gone "off the rails" so to speak after taking acid or even after smoking marijuana. In fact Marijuana helped bring Mushymans underlying depression and particularly anxiety to the fore, from which he has not recovered. Lately Mushyman has been seeing a psychiatrist and he told Mushyman that he wouldn't believe the amount of people (particularly young people) that come to see him after taking lsd or similar, even once.
     
  7. Basbeest

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    Hello!
    My friend has had several psychosis (for four of them she has been in a psychiatric hospital) over the years since she was nineteen. She had been using lsd before her first psychosis and she has been using it now and then since. She's 29 now and she, for one, is convinced that her use of lsd hasn't caused the psychosis. She states that psychosis and a lsdtrip are completely different experiences that have some of the same charachteristics (for example neurologically) but that the link between the two is completely overrated. When experiencing a psychosis after the use of lsd one probably was going to suffer a psychosis sooner or later anyway, is her opinion. She therefore never quit using lsd and in her case a lsdtrip has never caused a psychosis shortly after use. Brain scientists too are still undecided whether lsd can cause a psychosis with each individual, and if it indeed does whether it then only causes a psychosis shortly after use (as in your friend's case) or is capable of causing a psychosis in the years to come. I'm telling you this because it's quite strange that my friend can take lsd without suffering a psychosis whilst she's sensible to psychosis, and because I've worriedly witnessed her on some of her trips and I've noticed nothing that resembles a psychosis in her response to the drug: that's why I asked her about it.
    She also told me about all the different chronic diseases that feature psychosis: there's manic depression or bipolic disorder, there's schizophrenia and there's borderline disorder: each comes with psychosis. But please don't be too worried: my friend hasn't been diagnosed either of them over all these years, her medical file vaguely reports "a sensibility for psychosis", which isn't so strange considering how little we know about the human brain. Also she asked me to try to put your mind at ease about your friend by stating that it's perfectly possible to have a nice and normal life after suffering a psychosis, and if the person thereby accepts taking a small dosis of anti'psychotics daily he or she can prevent psychosis' to come alltogether. My friend takes 10 mg a day of a relatively new medicine called Abilify, which doesn't have the downer-effect that most antipsychotics are famous of, and makes it possible for her to prevent psychosis and feel her normal self at the same time. She hasn't had a psychosis in years now and she also reports about how she has learned to sense a coming psychosis at forehand, due to experience, so that she can take her precautionary measures (extra medication, more sleep, aso) early enough. But maybe your friend only needs to avoid lsd in the future to be perfectly sound, maybe she's only extremely sensitive to lsd.
    Conclusion: Having or having had a psychosis can be quite a shock at first but luckily there's measures you can take to prevent it in the future!
    ps my friend needed quite some time to accept the fact she needed some sort of medication in order for her brain to function correctly. Imagine this yourself and you'll understand this can't be easy to accept. But because the illness kept coming back she accepted this eventually, and since her decision her life quikly went back to normal again. The more times you have a psychosis, her doctor said, the higher the risk of permanent damage to the brain; damage that reveals itself to the outside world clearly, by the way, in drastic character changes. You could tell your friend this medical fact if you want to try to persuade her to take her pills.

    Wishing you strength,
    Mathilde
     
  8. rollingstoned

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    Talk. She might be confused/sad of who she was before the acid and after the acid. She might have realized that for years she's been putting on an act to please society/people. She probably has some realization that needs dealing with. She also might have had repressed memories surface. needs to You need to make her comfortable enough so that she can get out whatever she get out without fear of anything bad happening. She must feel no shame either.
    Also acid can bring out 2 of the most notorious and evil of human survival instincts: paranoia and/or "the wall".
    The wall to me is a natural defense that is destroyed with acid, but some are not ready for this. When the wall gets knocked down, or inevitably comes back up, this can cause A LOT of confusion. I recommend you do not bring up schizophrenia or psychosis until you no longer have a choice. LSD symptoms pretty much mimic temporary "psychosis" in most people that take it. You should not bring up psychosis or anything because she could begin to think she is crazy even although she is not.
    Also also, it's quite possible to curve around the paranoia and/or "the wall" to reach the person if you try hard enough and know what you're doing.
     
  9. Psilocybined

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    well sorry it took so long for an update! swim thanks you for all your advice.

    swims gf is doing very well now and things are back to normal. it took a little while but swims glad its over with
     
  10. Horiz

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    Can we have more of an update than that? What was the trouble?
     
  11. Psilocybined

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    Well it was never fully explained to swim seeing as she was taken to a out of town hospital, than stayed with her family for a week, but the marijuana was definitely playing a part. Out of nowhere today has been a little shaky for swims gf, but Swim believes its more or less of a flashback, either way swim got her valium just in case of her having a inability to sleep tonight and will only administer them if needed
     
  12. Horiz

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    Valium, good idea. SWIM'd give her a small-medium dose right now if she's a little shaky, calm her down a bit, relax her. Weed may very well have played a part, some people (myself included) can get very paranoid and pessimistic on weed, especially high doses.

    Good luck to you both. If she decides to trip again, SWIM suggests shrooms, but keep some benzos, maybe even some anti-psychotics on hand to end the trip if needed. Just having them usually relaxes people, because they know they can come out of the trip anytime, leads to a more pleasant ride!