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Effects - Is it me or.....no longer feeling cocaine effects, for what reason ?

Discussion in 'Cocaine & Crack' started by Teemsta, Aug 21, 2010.

  1. Teemsta

    Teemsta Newbie

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    Ok, SWIM is starting to think that either they are becoming immune to coke or the quality has gone SERIOUSLY downhill. Problem is that other people are always raving about the same gear, but SWIM thinks this could be the placebo effect and not that the stuff is actually any good.

    SWIM remembers the time when they felt on top of their game off that first line, but this has now been substituted with an inability to focus (visually), sweating and actually not wanting to socialise as opposed to talking sh*t for hours! The more taken the worse it gets!

    Is it possible that after prolonged use (approx 1g a week for 3 years) the habit has resulted in an inability to enjoy the drug? Is this psychological or could 'added extras' be creating these additional feelings?

    SWIM knows that most of the gear in the area is being cut with any combination of Benzocaine, Novocaine and New Era hay fever medication. Could an ingestion of these substances result in the feelings experienced?

    SWIM is fed up of wasting xxxx on what they believe is crap!!
     
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  2. JaWaH

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    Re: Is it me or.....

    Well no one is going to be able to tell SWIY if the quality has gone down or not from over the internet. And Immunity? No. After 3 years of weekly use tolerance has definitely had to set in pretty well. Which of course means more coke needs to be consumed to achieve the same effects and side effects might be more prominent.

    If SWIY is concerned that certain cuts are causing unwanted side effects then perhaps SWIY can look them up and see if they match up but really the coke could have anything in it.

    So SWIY has several options to determine the problem:
    - Take a break, perferably a long one, and hopefully the old enjoyment of coke will return when tolerance has lowered.
    - Test the coke to make sure SWIY isn't getting complete shit now. (Easy Test White)
    - Perform Le Junk's Purification to also test the quality and remove the adulterants that might be causing unwanted side effects.
    - Do both option 1 and 3 and maximize results.

    Lastly, SWIM would like to suggest that SWIY reads the recent article on Levamisole. With that frequency of use it would be wise to make sure SWIY isn't suffering from any levamisole health problems.
     
  3. mrpeppercorn

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    Re: Is it me or.....

    swim hates to say it but it is a tolerance
     
  4. Jon Dose

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    Re: Is it me or.....

    Swim is an avid user of opiates and has been for around 10 years+, however swim has went through periods (especailly years ago, but still occasionally) where he used/uses stimulants quite frequently and he can completely see where the op is coming from on this one. Like the above post states, nobody can really answer swiy's question and attest to the purity of swiy's gear without sampling the product but if swim had to guess, he would say the answer to swiy's question is not quality related. Swiy states that his friends are raving about the same gear and although swim would also consider the fact that this could be somewhat placebo, he would guess that the same thing that has happened to swim, is happening to swiy.

    For quite some time now, the exact same thing has been happening to swim when he takes ANY stimulant, unless he takes a ridiculous amount. Years ago, when swim was still a newb to stimulants, a decent line of coke, meth or a pill or two of amphetamine would get him talking and talking for hours on end. He would feel like he was on top of the world and felt not only complete confidence in himself, but also felt empathy, and love for others. Swim loved this feeling but these days, he too has noticed that this wonderful feeling has been replaced with non stop sweating, nervousness, no desire to talk, and a slight irritation at anyone who DOES want to talk his head off. It sucks, doesn't it? What makes it even worse for swim is that no matter how long he abstains from stimulants, his tolerance does not seem to go down. He can go months or even the better part of a year without any, and it still does this to him unless he takes a monster dose. Now if swim was to get some coke that was any good at all and he did a gram to himself, quickly, or took say, 100 or 200 mg's of amphetamine, he would still feel on top of the world but should it really take this much? Swim sees many of his friends, and other acquaintances (sp?) who have done just as much stimulants as swim has, and it seems that their tolerance hasn't taken anywhere close to the beating that swim's has, but why? Swim is sure that there is an easy scientific answer to this but swim is also pretty sure that we aren't quite advanced enough yet (science-wise) to give a straight answer. Still, rest assured that swiy isn't the only one that this happens to and swim wouldn't be so quick to pawn it off on the quality of the dope because the same thing has been happening to swim for a long time, even when quality could never be an issue, like when taking prescription stimulants. Anyway, since swim is totally down with the whole harm reduction thing, he can't exactly suggest that swiy take more of his drug of choice but he believes that is what it's going to take to get that feeling that swiy remembers from the beginning. That's all there is to it. Sorry that this is happening, especially since it's obvious to swim that it doesn't seem to happen to everyone but at the same time, siwy isn't the only one. Swim has been saddened by this permanent raise in tolerance for quite some time so his advice? Be careful above all, and realize that tolerance is a motherfucker. :thumbsup:
     
  5. Josh88

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    Swim feels your pain. He used to get the great feeling off coke (felt like a king). But after a few months of use all he could get out of coke was nervous, anti social, heart racing feeling like pretty much the exact opposite what he should. Swims friends did the same stuff for roughly the same amount of time/same doses yet somehow they would be flying high from it but swim would sit there feeling like shit. Even after over a year of not doing blow swim only feels like absolute crap when he does it and makes him into a nervous wreck.
     
  6. z.i.

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    SWIM thinks the "feel lke a king" effect is present only in the very beginning when taking the cocaine path for good and its there exactly to push you forward. What follows is less and less close to it, you get the kick of course but I believe its not a secret to anyone that the effects of using it are drasticly changing with time until you get the full flavor - isolated, nervous wreck as mentioned, ready to put everything aside and take impossible risk only to get the shit for 1 day and start all over the next.
     
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    Quite frankly sounds like poor quality. The inability to focus suggests possible cuts with another stimulant, although thats pure speculation. Perhaps try purifying the cocaine? This will not only remove some of the cuts that may be potentially affecting the substance but will also give swiy an idea of whether or not purity has indeed gone down. One thing is for sure, people don't simply become immune to coke.
     
  8. Jon Dose

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    Not immune, but tolerant to some of the more positive feelings that it brings. My lion really doesnt believe that it is a question of purity, since the same thing happens to him, even with pills that are measured by professionals, and purity wouldn't be an issue. People like the op and my lion, aren't immune, they just only get the negative aspects of a stimulant buzz. Sweating, nervousness, irritability, and dysphoria are a few of them. My lion is positive though, that people like them can still feel wonderful from the drugs, they just need to "do" more at a time to achieve this, but again, this is gravitating toward dangerous ground. That being said, purifying it would be a good idea.
     
  9. tashuisclay

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    Swim thinks its simply a sign of the user's 'honeymoon period' with the substance having passed (that and general diminishing quality, certainly in swim's part of the world anyway), swim used to quite enjoy cocaine years ago, but never gets the same enjoyment anymore, even after long durations of absence, e.g. swim used to do it usually one sat night every month for maybe 3-4 years, but in the last two years swim has only had approx 5 or so nights on coke in total, spread over the 2 years, of varying quality, and locations, even pretty decent quality coke in Argentina, but never really experienced that seriously uplifting, mood enhancing, urge to talk to and listen to everyone with great interest and empathy that swim used to get at the start. Now its just an edgy, antisocial, speedy feeling at best. In swims opinion, probably a combination of the general quality having decreased, and the honeymoon period long gone.

    Ah well, its something that swim can very much do without in swims life anyway, to be honest, but just the odd night on it like the old days in the beginning would be nice sometimes...
     
  10. CookieSpot

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    No this is not due to an inolerance. SWIM has posted on the cocaine forum about the cocaine qaulity in the UK. It is abosuletly appauling. SWIM has given up due to the effects SWIY has described. Exactly as SWIY described- no Euphoria what so ever, nervousness and parannoia. SWIM knows this because SWIM was by chance able to get good quality cocaine but only from well off acquantances in a well off area. So this confirms this is not due to intolarence because SWIM got some shit off his regular street rat dealers the next day and it was back to the same ol shit.

    Police seizures confirm that cocaine quality has dramatically declined over the years in the UK to as little as 2% in a wrap. Search google if SWIY don't believe SWIM. Users are increasingly snubbing coccaine for so called legal highs and cocaine annonymous enquiries have also declined dramatically.

    Younger users don't know what real cocaine is and in part they fuel the demand for this crap. As long as they get some kind of reaction they think they are buzzing. If the powder makes them sweat and heart beat race rapidly it's coke to them even to it's cut to shreads with amph, benzocaine etc.

    This is the sad state of coke in the UK and in even in many parts of the Europe.
     
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    Well said, hits the nail on the head as to why the quality just isn't improving, because younger users will keep paying for the trash on the streets these days.
     
  12. BoxStar

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    The answer is yes as prolonged use of cocaine induces major changes in the brain areas which it affects the most; chronic cocaine intake induces profound changes to dopamine receptors expression patterns in neurons leading to down-regulation of the receptors by decreasing the number of receptors available on dopaminergic neurons and chronic cocaine intake lowers the binding susceptibility of dopamine receptors. Loss of vesicular monoamine transporters (Reference), neurofilament proteins, and other morphological changes appear to indicate a long term damage of dopamine neurons.

    These changes have a wide variability between individuals regarding the extent of the changes and when they develop but all cocaine users develop them to some extent since these changes are responsible for the ever-increasing tolerance to the effects of cocaine during prolonged use.

    In SWIM experience slamming cocaine constantly for years (over five years) led to a point of complete extinction regarding the dopamine-mediated pleasurable effects SWIY mentions; although SWIM never really socializes with or without coke and he is a very quiet person this is due his personality type (or disorder, depending who is judging) everything else he shares with SWIY, cocaine ended up making him a completely adrenaline-driven wired-hermit and he was using the best quality available (around 85% with no active cuts) as he lives for long times right in the middle of the cocaine heartlands.

    SWIM advice is stop using coke for at least six months or more, the physical changes in the brain leading loss of dopaminergic effects may not be permanent for most people, sadly for SWIM, even after 2 years of complete abstinence there has been no change which means its probably permanent but SWIM intravenous use of cocaine was far more extreme and for much longer than SWIY and SWIM also used other dopaminergic drugs so he thinks SWIY can bring back the old good feelings (at least some of them) if he stops for a long time to allow his brain to restore homeostasis and do repairs, he also advices than having a habit to cocaine will inevitably lead to ever-increasing tolerance and eventual extinction of most dopaminergic effects and possible health problems.

    SWIM would like to make the point that the lack of effects has nothing to do with the product being of low purity (simply do more or purify it) or the vast majority of cuts including local anesthetics, cocaine cut with amphetamine could theoretically induce an even greater tolerance and accelerate the loss of effects. SWIM has experience with cocaine samples in four continents and more than 20 countries and it has always felt the same for the same dose of cocaine, correcting for the local purity levels.
     
  13. CookieSpot

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    With all due respect this is incorrect with regards to coccaine quality in the UK and Europe in general. SWIM says this because on the very very very rare occasion that SWIM got hold of good cocaine the effects were instant pure euphoria and a confidence SWIY could not believe. SWIM only does occasionally on the weekends (not all weekends) so SWIM has not built up intolerance and SWIM has only be doing for 2-3years. The difference is clear and instantanous between crap and cocaine because SWIM has tried good cocaine the weekend right after crap benzocaine, aphm, dental chemical rubbish.

    SWIM says this because it would be incorrect to mislead the original poster on making SWIY think he/she has built up intolerance. People in the UK general know the poor state of UK cocaine and even national newspapers have reported on the declining quality of UK cocaine.

    Many of SWIM friends talk of the good old days of cocaine. The truth is these users have now switched to just puffing cananbis because there is little chance of corrupting that substance.

    Police siezures (this is widely available on the internet) confirm the declining quality of cocaine to as low as 2% in a wrap.

    Users in the UK are actually turning to mephedron because of the poor quality of UK cocaine (widely available on the internet using creative keyword searches).

    God knows what is in these substances that these street rat dealers are serving to people. But the feeling of these substances after snorting is paranoa, sweating, rapid heart rate, twitching etc etc. Certainly not coke that SWIM knows and loves.
     
  14. scimor

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    In SWIM's opinion. and he hails from the US, is that the quality of coke, in general, is way, way down in the past 2 or 3 years. Forget tolerance, brain changes, etc. There is no doubt that the stuff on street level, or from bars or whatever, is just cut to hell and/or other active agents are mixed with it. There are SO MANY cuts that are somewhat active considering the TIDAL WAVE of easily obtained amphetamine-like legal RC's that even novice dealers at the bottom of the chain are cutting their stuff SIGNIFICANTLY.

    As always, if you don't know your source, or even if you do, you almost NEVER can know what it is you are getting.

    SWIM says he just plain gave up coke, due mostly to the overall shittiness of what's out there.