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Experiences - IV heroin really intense itching

Discussion in 'Heroin' started by Rightnow289, Apr 30, 2009.

  1. Rightnow289

    Rightnow289 Palladium Member

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    Pacman had a hit the other day and got serious itchyness. He has got this many times but the itchyness lasted for about 45 seconds and was so much more intense than it ever had been.(it ent from the palms down his arms to his chest, then his feet started to itch with the same intensity) Actually he thought he might have put himself over he almost ran downstairs to say ring an ambulance but didn't fortunately.

    What is the most intense itchyness SWIY have experienced?
     
  2. oxyandme

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    swim often gets that same feeling.. lasting up to a minute or more (depending on dosage) if IV'd 100-200 mg of Morphine cooked and banged.. nice red face too.

    O
     
  3. mickey_bee

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    Sounds like what swim has had recently.
    With the gear that's been going around atm, if swim shoots a decent amount of it, then kind of at the same time as the rush, or just after, he gets this rush of kinda itchyness, but super intense, to the point where it's painful. for swim only lasted about 5 seconds on average tho. weird.
     
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    SWIM gets this. Hot pins and needles usually at the back of the neck, spine. groin, back of knees feet and hands. SWIM finds this a bit unnerving sometimes especially in the loo at work lol
     
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    SWIM doesn't get it intensely right after shooting...she usually gets it later on. Last week she had it so bad she couldn't sleep. She was up all night scratching herself on her arms and legs. She had just clipped her nails too! SWIM thinks it had to do with doing too much H. She did more than usual that day.
     
  6. Electrolingus

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    Most true opiates release histamine in the bloodstream. This is what is responsible for the itching. In SWIMs part of the pond, Two types of heroin are available. The first is raw heroin and the second is called 'scramble'. Scramble heroin is cut with quinine to intensify the rush that is accompanied with injecting it. The scramble heroin usually has a tingling itch after injected but the itch rarely lasts long. The raw heroin however has an itch that usually lasts for the duration of the 'high'. SWIM has known the itch that is accompanied with opiate intoxication to be so drastic, that he has scratched himself to the point of breaking the skin. Chronic opiate itch can be reduced by taking diphenhydramine (Benadryl) or some other similar antihistamine.

    The most intense 'pins and needles' type itch SWIM has ever experienced was from hydromorphone (Dilaudid). Said swimmer shot some Dilaudid when he had a major sunburn once and thought he was gonna pass out from the pain and itch.
     
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    Some of the gear that SWIM gets produces this effect, and is more pronounced with larger hits. SWIM said it is only in some varieties of gear, and is really really intense for about 15-25 seconds directly after, so SWIM shoots and then scratches SWIMs self rigorously right afterwards all over the body. SWIM must look like a maniac when this happens. This is not the same as the opiate itchyness that some may have during an opiate high as that is usually throughout the "high", while as this is right after SWIM injects. Are there any swimmers out there in the East US or elsewhere using white H4 gear that are having this same phenomena?? Or is it only down to H3 Swimmers????
     
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    Yup, TIK have reported the same; it's assumed to be the histamine response. Why it's so intense with some types of gear, however, is a mystery to SIK. *shrug*


    Also, although many people are describing it as "itching", it would almost be better to describe it as "burning" - it's not the semi-pleasant itch of a good nod, it's an intense, burning, perhaps "pins and needles" effect racing through your whole body. SIK slammed 2.5 bags of the stuff and appeared to have a rash/sunburn on the trunk for a good two hours - the flush lasted about an hour on the face and limbs.

    I'm told it's not altogether unpleasant, but very intense. SIK said that the gear that usually has this effect seems pretty good, and so it's not minded and perversely looked forward too; perhaps that's why it doesn't seem unpleasant. It is, however, extremely intense, and as it goes to your head/brain there seems to be a minor panic that one's going to fall out. *shrug*

    ~Kailey
     
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    So it does happen in East Coast US then?
    SWIM thought it was down to all of the benzo and other cuts that gets into UK gear?
     
  10. Spucky

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    AW: IV heroin really intense itching

    Sounds like the Producer of that Stuff make a mistake
    when they cook the Base,
    swim think to many different Alkaloids inside!
    (imo. more alkaloids means more and higher allergic reaction)
     
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    Spucky SWIY really don't have a clue do SWIY?

    This happens a LOT with heroin no3. Too often that it can be a mistake in the process. As someone else pointed out when people get this intense itching it means it is good stuff.

    If it is a mistake then it is a very good one!!!
     
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    Some People like the real Opiatfeeling more than the real pure Heroin.
    As Far as swim understand the synthesis from Opium
    to Heroin he think that H.3 have many different Alkaloids inside
    and H.4 less, it becomes more pure and less allergic.

    Opium have of course a more widespread High
    and Heroin makes more a Clean High!
    It is like Indica and Sativa,
    or blond or brunette Girls
    or like Coffee with or without Milk!

    But Swim is not real inside of Chemical Things,
    he think more about social aspects! :laugh:

    Ah yes, People who produce Heroin try to make it compact, for easy`r smuggeling
    H.3 Volume is higher than H.4.
    But Swim already said something about the Heroin from Afghanistan,
    he think the People there are not professional and have not the real Chemical Stuff,
    this lead to bad purification!
     
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    Yes, it's been reported on the east coast usa, with (presumably!) heroin no.4. So it's not just cuts in UK gear. Of course, it could still be a cut, and the same cut is used in both places...*shrug*

    Oh, and benzodiazipines wouldn't have that effect, even administered IV.

    ~Kailey
     
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    Re: AW: Re: IV heroin really intense itching

    It is true the heroin from afghanistan is not anywhere near as good as that from the golden triangle as they do not know how to purify it well enough. However a while ago there was a report stating that they were trying to make heroin no4 in AFghanistan
     
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    Re: AW: IV heroin really intense itching

    dude I don't think it's an allergic reaction.
     
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    What else? :)
    Swim guess there are not many other possibility`s!
     
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    Re: AW: Re: AW: IV heroin really intense itching

    Several synthetic opiates will cause a brief, itchy 'pins and needles' type of reaction to the user. Cutting agents can also cause a itchy reaction and may cause some minor welting or blotchiness up the arm or other place of injection, but usually only lasts a few minutes.

    Mistakes in the manufacturing process of synthetic opiates can result in more problems for the user than itchiness, such as Parkinson's disease or death.
     
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    But this are allergic reactions or is there are other Definition?
    Because Swim and his Friend and Colleagues called always only "Allergic Reaction' by Histamine-Release!
     
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    Swim lives on the east coast and usually the shit that makes him high as fuck and nodding out usually brings on a intense itch as well so swim doesn't think its a allergic reaction though. If Swim takes a anti histamine it should cause the itching to stop or become more mild.
     
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    Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: IV heroin really intense itching

    There are two possibilities for itch or tingle with IV opioid use. The first is an allergic reaction. Heroin is cut with all kinds of compounds such as quinine, B12, and isotol. All of these can cause an allergic reaction such as itchiness. Quinine is added to heroin because it intensifies the 'rush'. The practice of using quinine as an adulterant began in New York City in the 1940's to cut down on malaria that was sweeping through the drug populous at that time. It is still used to this day because it is very compatible with the heroin. Allergic reactions are usually visible due to rash or blotches and are usually isolated to the injection area or the limb where injection took place.

    The second reason for itch or tingle with IV opioid use is the brain receptors. The two main opioid receptors are the mu receptor and the kappa receptor. Some opioids will interrupt sensory stimuli when binding to the receptor in a way that can cause a brief tingle or itch. Also some types of opioids effect one receptor more than the other. This is all part of the rush that comes from immediate introduction of an opioid in the bloodstream.

    There are also two types of itch or tingle associated with the use of opioids. A brief tingle after injection and the prolonged itch that lasts throughout the duration of the high. Brief itch or tingle is most likely from the cut or because the drug is a synthetic and not a true opiate. The prolonged itch is simply due to histamine release and usually is more prevalent in occasional users as opposed to one who uses on a daily basis. Some people are also more prone to this prolonged itch than others.