As my username implies, I'm a big fan of ketamine. On the rare times I've got any, IM is always the way to go while listening to good music (rarely with any singing, as I find it distracting) and lying down. Despite the fact I typically have interesting visuals with my eyes closed, or even open but covered with something dark, and I can sometimes guide what I see, I've never experienced what some call the 'k-hole'. I was introduced to k by someone who has experienced this, but he hasn't had a trip like that for a long time, either. I have read on other sites that a typical dosage via IM is 1cc, and it's enough to reach this point. I find that this is untrue in my case, and my husband's. We typically do anything from 1.2 to 1.7ccs. At that dose, I get my usual visuals and he experiences his usual things (which he can rarely describe or remember in any detail). If we take any more than that, we typically don't remember anything. I'm posting for a several reasons: I'm wondering if there is some way to reach the 'k-hole' point that I'm not getting, if the usual k we use isn't potent enough, or what? We are also socially inept and have a hard time meeting folks in 'real life' to discuss such things with. I get our k from someone who says they get it from India/the Middle East. I have noticed that it seemed less potent (although I don't know why) than what I used to get a couple of years ago from a vet supplier here in the US. I don't get it often, but when I do, it usually doesn't last long. Any tips, suggestions, questions, links or other forms of help would be very welcome. I hope I've given enough information.