1. Dear Drugs-Forum readers: We are a small non-profit that runs one of the most read drug information & addiction help websites in the world. We serve over 4 million readers per month, and have costs like all popular websites: servers, hosting, licenses and software. To protect our independence we do not run ads. We take no government funds. We run on donations which average $25. If everyone reading this would donate $5 then this fund raiser would be done in an hour. If Drugs-Forum is useful to you, take one minute to keep it online another year by donating whatever you can today. Donations are currently not sufficient to pay our bills and keep the site up. Your help is most welcome. Thank you.
    PLEASE HELP

Drug info - Kava-kava paste?

Discussion in 'Kava-Kava' started by Dreamland, Dec 17, 2007.

  1. Dreamland

    Dreamland Silver Member

    Reputation Points:
    32
    Messages:
    215
    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2007
    32 y/o from U.S.A.
    I have been recently disspointed in kava kava both root and an extract he recently tried. SWIM's recently has an extract of kava that claimed it was 30% kavalactones and took 1 full tsp as it was suppose to be strong and felt nothing. So SWIM just recently found a product from a decent vendor a kava paste which claimed it was 84% kavalactones. I am curious is to whether others have had any experience to the kava paste and if it's worth it?
     
  2. Herbal Healer 019

    Herbal Healer 019 Silver Member

    Reputation Points:
    529
    Messages:
    1,131
    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    from france
    The 30% kavalactones capsules swim tried had strong effects at 4 capsules which he broke in half and consumed only the foul tasting powder. The 84% kavalactone paste your talking about I has tried and works really well but is a bit pricey. He ussually takes Im guessing about 3-4 pea size servings at a time which produces effects as strong or stronger than the 30% kavalactones capsules at the dosage mentioned above. Pros- dont have to take much to feel it, an oz. of the past lasts a long time, Cons-Expensive.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 30, 2017
  3. Felix Guattari

    Felix Guattari Newbie

    Reputation Points:
    422
    Messages:
    202
    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2008
    28 y/o from U.S.A.
    Give it a few more tries, maybe once a day for three days.
    Kava exhibits reverse-tolerance; like pot, lots of people don't feel it their first or first few times.
     
  4. Frond

    Frond Titanium Member

    Reputation Points:
    681
    Messages:
    166
    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2008
    I use the 84% paste extract gelcaps, and finds that they work quite well, but produce definite stomach upset. I get very mild but noticeable effects from 1 gelcap, and decent effects from 2 to 3 gelcaps, but stomach upset increases quite a bit as the dosage goes up. I don't know whether this should be attributed to the Kava itself, a residual chemical in the extract having an effect (some only partially evaporated solvent, maybe?), or SWIM's stomach being a pansy. Certainly these extracts aren't FDA approved, and who knows what the actual extraction procedures and safety guidelines were.

    I will finish off his extract in minor doses, and will use fresh root from now on.
     
  5. j2lo0se

    j2lo0se Newbie

    Reputation Points:
    9
    Messages:
    8
    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2007
    I actually just tried 84% Kavalactone paste with no effects. Had 6 large pea sized pieces and took them all at once with water. I notice that kava powder from the same vendor has a much stonger numbing sensation and I believe the paste only has 17/25 alkaloids where as the the powder has 25/25 alkaloids. No point in attempting reverse tolerance with paste due to it's price.
     
  6. demiurgic

    demiurgic Newbie

    Reputation Points:
    0
    Messages:
    1
    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2008
    SWIM studies Kava and is sure why stomachs get upset with certain Kavas.
    It's the Kavalactone structure. There are some Kavas that have a perticular noty Kavalactone called Yangonin. Only those with cast Iron stomachs can drink this, mainly found in Hawaiian Isa, Papua New Guinea Kavas and a lot of Hawaiian ones too. 2 cents

    demiurgic added 2 Minutes and 35 Seconds later...

    I am writing with a somewhat upset stomach because of certain Kavalactone structures present in a lot of Kavas.
    There are some Kavas that have a Kavalactone called Yangonin. Only those with cast Iron stomachs can drink Kavas loaded with this bugger, found in Hawaiian Isa, Papua New Guinea Kavas and a lot of Hawaiian ones too.
    I have not noticed too much of this nausea with Hawaiian Papa 'ele 'ele, some light Vanuatuan Kava, and other darker varieties that grow in Hawai'i(plant species) that are much more sought after for this reason.
    2 cents
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2008
  7. rhodeye

    rhodeye Newbie

    Reputation Points:
    0
    Messages:
    20
    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2008
    68 y/o from U.S.A.
    upset stomach? I thinks its best on an empty stomach, maybe 3 or4 hrs. after eating. Maybe walking or riding bicycle a little helps also.
     
  8. Hippiealex1

    Hippiealex1 Newbie

    Reputation Points:
    0
    Messages:
    7
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2012
    from U.S.A.
    So I bought an 84% kava paste and it works, although I have notice if you dose to high it will give you potentially scary hallucinations(for example my blanket kept turning into a big snake, and I actually got out a flashlight because I thought I saw a little owl in my living room Lol) but at normal doses and now that I am used to the stuff its nice and calming and what not helps me sleep(for I am a terrible insomniac) but what I really want to know is how many Mgs of kavalactones would be in a serving of this kava paste ? any infooo