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Kava-kava Potentiators?

Discussion in 'Kava-Kava' started by 0utrider, Jan 25, 2008.

  1. 0utrider

    0utrider Palladium Member

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    Hi, are there any known kava potentiators?
     
  2. Eden

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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    Anyone?I've heard that mixing with fatty juices like coconut can potentiate.
     
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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    Not really a matter of potentiating but rather extracting the active Kavalactones more effectively. As with Cannabinoids the Kavalactones are poorly water soluble. Milks and oils will produce a far more potent brew than water.

    Cannabis has an exceptionally good synergy with Kava~kava.

    Valerian, Catmint and Chamomile will increase the sedative effects.

    Caffeine makes for a more energetic Kava experience.

    Kanna and Blue Lotus increase euphoria. Kratom mixes well but too much will overpower the Kava.
     
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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    Ahh,thank you for the clarification.:thumbsup:
     
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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    Can anyone explain the lecithin /kava interaction?How exactly does lecithin potentiate kava?I did do a forum search but didnt turn up much.I'm sure the topic has been discussed so please bear with me,just quite excited about recently rediscovering kava.
     
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    despite the fact that that's how its been made, SWIM doesnt know, but thinks it might be due to the solubilitiy of the ingredients/lactones in lecithin (similar to fat & cannabis), even though this is just a wild guess
     
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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    Kavalactones are fatty, and do not like to be in water. When you make a kava drink, you're making an emulsion instead of a solution.

    Lecithin is fatty, but can dissolve in water to some degree. The presence of the nonpolar bulk of lecithin solvated in water makes it much more favorable for the water to hold the kavalactones in emulsion.

    Normally, burying nonpolar molecules in an emulsion requires the water forming thermodynamically unfavorable clathrate structures around the nonpolar molecules. This is significantly less unfavorable with lecithin around, since a substantial portion of the hydrophilic surface of the kavalactone can bury against the lecithin.
     
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    well if SWIM uses milk to drink it with and pops a few lecithin pills (also for the nootropic effect of it, i.e. making acetylcholine transmitters or so) that should be fine shouldn't it?

    SWIM was more asking about other thinks, besides standart recipe, for getting more out of kava, like grapefruit juice for opiates/benzos etc
     
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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    Lecithin would most likely be best utilized in the brewing stage. But milk should serve the same purpose. Lecithin could be used to hedge one's bets so to speak.
     
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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    Raver is right, taking a lecithin capsule is most likely pointless. The lecithin acts during the extraction process. (Unless there's a cholate-pyrone symporter in the gut)

    Even if using milk, it's probably worthwhile to add some lecithin. You want maximum emulsion of the kavalactones for the best brew.
     
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    well the thing is SWIM didnt extract, he just also swallowed the powder with it.. but on the other hand he also doesnt take so much usuallyl
     
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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    Swim thinks we might be getting "extraction" and "solubility" confused a little bit, he thinks, and his experiences with kava confirm, that a source of fat/oil isn't necessary to extract the kavalactones, however it might be needed to actually keep them suspended in solution. The importance of this last part is a bit unclear to swim considering the fact that people will usually shake/stir or drink the whole thing and be consuming all the kavalactones anyways, in solution or not.
     
  13. radiometer

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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    Not a solution. An emulsion.
     
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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the emulsion! (loses something in the translation...)

    Anywho - Kava~Kava is not brewed, per se. It is mixed as rapidly as possible to make the suspension/emulsion. A high-speed blender being ideal(but not as fun as the traditional way, granted). Add whole milk<1> (250ml/8oz/serving), 2 tablespoons(US and European are interchangable) Kava~Kava powder, and a teaspoon to a tablespoon lecithin* granules(or equivalent if powdered). Turn on blender(put the top on, ya stoner) low and bring it up to high. Give it about a minute. Check the blender to see if it's overheating the motor(they love to burn out). Blend another minute or two total.

    Gulp. Don't sip.

    * Lecithin is not needed and not traditional. I only add this recipe to placate those who want the stuff in there.

    <1> Coconut milk can also be used. Make sure it's fresh and contains the natural oils.
     
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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    Although I used the word "solution" loosely, this technicality doesn't seem to effect the real question of whether the fat/oil is necessary if the kavalactones are being consumed either way. Unless there's some sort of bonding with the fat that helps their absorption by the body, which doesn't seem likely.
     
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    Re: Kava Potentiators?

    Sure, but I thought your post was made in order to make sure that we were all using the proper terminology, so... ;)
     
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    :) alright, alright, I guess I kind of walked into that one!
     
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    Thank you,this is very informatine

    Eden added 13 Minutes and 9 Seconds later...

    Err, uhh informative rather.:crazy
     
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    Your body does need the fatto activate the kava. Get coca nut milk from the goya section in super market.This makes the kava work extremely well. You will feel every bit of it.You will know what kava is suppose to feel like.
    chaplain don
     
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    SWIM wants to know what the deal is with the capsules found in grocery and health food stores. SWIM sees NOW brand 250 mg capsules of 30% Kava Kava and wonders if the capsules are relatively ineffective without the coconut milk or some other activator, or if they'll work fine in the gel capsules as they come from the store. Does your closet monkey have a qualified opinion? Mahalo!