Kratom 15X extract: not 15 times as strong?

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  1. Svperstar

    Svperstar Newbie

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    EDIT: Last night 2 or
    3 hours after posting this I got very sick, more than I have off of any
    other opiate(I know Kratom technically isn't one but similar effects).
    I threw up ~10 times over the course of a few hours, i couldn't even
    keep water down. I may have taken too much and passed a threshold where
    more was useless.</span>



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    I decided to take a chance so I ordered 50 grams of it last week, it got here yesterday and today I started to experiment.

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    The price has gone up since the 7 days I ordered, doh!

    It
    should be mentioned that the forms of Kratom I have tried are the
    premium extract in pill form, premium powder in pill form, and up till
    now my favorite has been the regular powder.

    I typically take 5
    TSPs of the regular powder(~22 grams), put it on my tongue and wash it
    down one at a time. This tastes horrible but I have consumed much worse
    in the name of recreation :p

    I decided to take it on an empty stomach to maximize the effects.

    I used a 1 TSP scooper to measure. From what I have read online 1 TSP = ~4.3-4.6 grams

    Well I decided to take 1 TSP of the 15x just as a baseline. So I put that on my Tongue.

    Oh
    My God. Strong Taste. Wow. The second it touches your tongue you know
    this is strong stuff. I won't say it tastes horrible because someone
    might enjoy it but it matches its red color by having a VERY heavy
    peppery spice taste. It is not spicy as in hot, but it hits you hard
    with flavor. Nothing like Nutmeg but still.

    I imagine some
    people would have a hard time swallowing this stuff, if you cant handle
    the powder then you for sure will not be able to swallow this. Might
    want to invest in some gell caps.

    It has a nice powdery texture, might be able to mix this stuff with Yogurt or Applesause with ease.

    I
    was it down. My tongue goes numb almost immediately, this does not
    happen to me with the regular powder though it did with the extract.

    Well in 10 minutes it started to come up, very good, equivelent to my normal 20-25 gram dose of the regular stuff.

    I
    took another TSP, so I am now up to ~9 grams of it. That was 30 minutes
    ago. Right now I feel very good, probably the most intense Kratom
    experience I have had.

    The odd thing is I don't have a
    headache, I usually get a slight headache when the stuff kicks in, I do
    have horrible dry mouth though.

    So my thoughts? Well it is too soon to tell exactly so I will probably bump this thread over the next few days.

    I
    do think the "15x" name is misleading. This IS more potent than the
    leaf, that is for sure, but if my math is correct if this was really
    15x as strong my 9 grams it would be like having 135 grams of regular
    leaf. It is not quite that potent :p

    The great thing is not
    having to eat so much powder. I have a strong stomach but I must admit
    by the 5th TSP of regular powder I feel sort of sick and have to relax
    to keep it down. With this the powder is very smooth and disolves easy
    and a quick swig of Redbull washed away the taste.

    If you were
    hoping this powder would allow you to reach new heights not possible
    with the standard powder then you will probably be let down, but if you
    just want less mess and hassle then I say go ahead.

    Like I said
    above though, this is my first time having it and there is a lot more
    powder for me to enjoy so I may update in the next few days
     
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  2. Pinkavvy

    Pinkavvy Platinum Member & Advisor

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    That's a great experience report, and welcome to the forum.

    Do you remember before you made the last 6 posts and signed up for the forum? You agrees to a certain list of rules. One of the rules, that you agreed to, was to not discuss sources outside of the sources forum. Please edit your post.
     
  3. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    Are you a regular Kratom user? 22 grams is a shitload of Kratom to use. Or are you used to bunk Kratom? The Kratom that I have blasts me away trough hyperenergetic euphoriawith a very strong8 grams dose. Half of this already is fun. I am waiting for a suited moment to try this 15X Kratom which I have sitting here. Since the advised dose is3 grams I'll start at that and see from there.
     
  4. radiometer

    radiometer bananadine addict Platinum Member & Advisor

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    I keep wondering how 15X relates to the doses recommended. 15 times
    what?

    As Alfa says, 8g of good kratom leaf/powder is pretty strong...so one
    should be able to take 500mg of this "new" product and get effects, if it's
    15X the strength.

    I think someone's pulling one over on us (not the poster, but the
    suppliers).Edited by: radiometer
     
  5. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    500 mg barely has effect.
     
  6. Svperstar

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    I think I should mention last night a few hours after posting this I
    ended up throwing up ~10 times, I think I may have taken too much :)



    I think I might have crossed a threshold after which taking more powder was useless, next time I am going to go easier I think.





    I have a pretty high tolerance to opiates, that may be part of the
    reason. I used to snort 16 mgs of Hydromorphone years ago and I could
    take 160 Oxy and still be more than fine to drive. So that might have
    an effect



    I could be getting bad Kratom powder maybe. I would say where I
    get it but I was warned above not to mention suppliers or I would be
    banned.



    The stuff I normally take is just the commercial grade powder, I have also had the resin extract.



    I do think that the supplier may be full of it also, I WAS higher than
    I have ever been on Kratom but even so I don't think I should have
    needed so much.

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  7. sunyata

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    Like I stated in the sources forum, 600mg of the 15x gave me as strong effects as 6g of super premium leaf. But I've noticed that tolerance sets in quickly when it comes to Kratom. Since I got the extract, which is about 5 weeks ago, I have used it every weekend, friday and saturday. The effects have become less and less impressive until last weekend when I was forced to conclude that there were practically no effects any more, I consumed over a gram and got nothing more than shallow sedative effects.
    I have only tried super premium once before ordering this extract and have no previous experience with Kratom though.
     
  8. panchovilla

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    The new 15x kratom is not that good relative to price.
     
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  9. dextrolevo

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    I'm glad I saw thing, I almost bought this product. I buy the resin and find it to be the easiest and strongest. Just roll it up in a ball and swallow!
     
  10. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    ^ I would never take the resin, but that's another topic.
     
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    Care to explain why?
     
  12. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    IMO the reason to take an extract is to take a substance in purer stronger form. Kratom resin does not comply to that discription. I can get the same strenght from high quality leaves and resin is far more impure then leaves. For the production of resin mostly commercial bunk Kratom is used through cold water extraction. A lot of waste material which I have no desire for goes into the resin/extract. I also saw resin come from several sources which was made with a solvent, which was not evaporated like it should. Yuk! In this regard I would prefer the enhanced leaves or 15X extract.
    If they would call it 2X or 3X and price it accordingly I would find the '15X' attractive.
     
  13. INodHardOhYeah

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    New batch 15x Kratom Extract

    SWIM just recieved his new batch of 15x Kratom extract today and he must say that he was quite impressed.

    The extract was a medium-dark brown very fine powder with the pleasant kratom aroma I have grown so accustomed to. The first thing SWIM notable difference compared to other kratom extracts and powder was its solubility in water. A 150 pound tri-weekly user then added 3g to a cup glass of hot water, then proceeded to stir the bevarge for approx 30 seconds, by which time the kratom had almost completely dissolved. SWIM personally enjoys the taste of unsweetend kratom, so no sugar was added as the beverage was consumed on an empty stomach.

    A slight head-change with a co-occuring stimulant sensation was detected 15 minutes later.

    1.5 hours had passed and I did not feel the extract was very potent, until the phone rang and he arose quickly, running to answer the phone and blacked out for a moment, SWIM suffers from low blood pressure at times so he does not believe this was entirely related to the kratom. When SWIM came to a few moments later he was met with a very pleasant, deep resonating body buzz accompanied by waves of euphoria rushing over him.

    SWIM then went outside to smoke a few cigarettes which noticibly intensified the effects of the kratom. SWIM sat outside until the peek effects wore off and he began to come down, which was approx 3.5 hours after consumption. The effects mellowed out for the next few hours with a residual tranquility which also smoothed out SWIM's nerves (he has benign essential tremors)

    Overall I was very happy with the product, especially for only having used 3g. No nausea or unpleasant side effects were noticed throught the experience except for a period of dysphoria at the end of the Gonzaga game.
     
  14. Alfa

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    If you need a dosage of 3 grams, the name 15X is totally incorrect. Good Kratom has a dose of 5 - 10 grams for a full effect. So real 15X would require a dosage of 0.5 grams. So the name 2.5X would be better for this extract.
     
  15. INodHardOhYeah

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    I don't take much stock in the naming of Kratom, 15x blah whataver, it was priced well in relation to amount and strength. Also 3g was an estimation of 1/2 tsp (didn't bother with scales).
     
  16. bewilderment

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    Kratom 15x extract-first time

    I've never used kratom before, and I should have little tolerance (I know kratom's not actually an opiate, but I've heard of cross-tolerance) to opiates since the last time I used them regularly was about six years ago and since then I've only taken them a handful of times. Anyway, I've ordered three grams of the 15x extract which should be arriving soon. I'm planning on taking one gram, and waiting about an hour before determining if I should take more. Does this sound reasonable or would anyone more experienced suggest taking a lower/higher dose? Thanks in advance.
     
  17. oz_steve

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    Kratom 15x

    I took 3g of 15x the first time and the results were rather disappointing - although I do have slightly extremist tendencies LOL. The effects were quite subtle and I certainly wanted more. I took the other 3g after about 3 hours and it had little effect.

    I therefore determined to do the whole 6g next time, which I did.
    6g of 15x is reasonably intense - an authentic psychoactive experience.

    If I were you I'd try 2-3g of 15x as a trial - individual thresholds are of course different. But not 1g. It's hard to imagine 1g having much of an effect based on my own experiences so far.
     
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    Oh yeah - I'm a male, mid-thirties, 170lbs. I'll get the hang of this experience-reporting thing soon!
     
  19. oz_steve

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    I've just read a comment by Alfa in another thread that says:

    "If you need a dosage of 3 grams, the name 15X is totally incorrect. Good Kratom has a dose of 5 - 10 grams for a full effect. So real 15X would require a dosage of 0.5 grams. So the name 2.5X would be better for this extract."

    That's interesting. On that basis my advice about 6g is clearly wrong and based on a lower-grade extract, like 1.25x!
     
  20. bewilderment

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    Thanks for the advice! For the record, I'm a female weighing about 120 lbs. Yes, if it really was 15x then 1g should really be more than enough, but I've been reading around that what is touted as 15x really is more like 2x or 3x. I'm not really looking for a mind-blowing experience at the moment because I had my mind blown for about 16 hours last week and most of the time was really negative (which is saying a lot because I have a lot of experience with various substances under my belt and I hardly ever have a negative experience) so I'm really looking for sort of a happier high that's not overpowering. I just checked my mailbox and found my package waiting for me. It smells a lot nicer than I'd anticipated though I don't doubt the strong taste. At the moment, I'm considering mixing about 1.5g into some pudding just in case it's more potent than I expect...then I'll wait until I think I can safely gauge what sort of experience it will be and if I'm not satisfied then I'll go ahead and eat the rest. I'm not sure whether I'll be doing this later on today or tomorrow so I still appreciate replies :)