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Kratom and the military

Discussion in 'Drug Testing' started by Svartkell, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. Svartkell

    Svartkell Newbie

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    Some dude I know takes Kratom on a fairly regular basis. From what he can tell, at least in the Army, there are regs that do not specifically prohibit kratom, but it's generally understood that any substances like kratom are pretty much off limits. My buddy enjoys the plant and wants to continue, but boy is it risky.
    Pro:
    1. No testing for Kratom as of yet (at least routinely).
    2. Great plant, few side effects, positive effects on life

    Con:
    1. Lose military career.

    My buddy thinks the chances of ever getting caught are very small. He tells me that he orders online from very reputable sources, only does it on weekend, and is otherwise very discreet. He wanted me to ask if anyone has any insight into the actual risks of getting caught. He's a good kid, don't want him to get hurt.
     
  2. Alien Sex Fiend

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    is kratom legal where you live? so then hows it different from chamomile tea? or caffeine?

    standard drug tests can't show positive for kratom. of course a hair test may show something if they are looking for kratom in the first place. so you are safe
     
  3. Svartkell

    Svartkell Newbie

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    It's legal in the state where my buddy lives, but he seems to think it's still illegal for service members to use kratom
     
  4. Pharfromsober

    Pharfromsober Palladium Member

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    It could probably be considered misconduct, this would be entirely up to your commanding officer though. The punishment for misconduct can vary greatly from simple article 15 type punishment, like extra duty and post confinement, all the way up to court martial and being chaptered out. The worst case scenario is not much fun, I had been in the army for 3 years when I pissed hot for weed, I was chaptered out in less than 60 days. It is humiliating to say the least, especially when you're considered to be one of the more respected junior nco's. I was an e-5.

    However I really see the risks as being minimal when it comes to kratom, you're not going to fail a urinalysis for it. So unless your battle buddy rats you out and you keep it to yourself you should have little to worry about.
     
  5. Alien Sex Fiend

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    they are not looking for kratom. thats the point. even if do the hair, they most probably won't find it. its chemistry, you can't find what you are not looking for. besides don't tell no one, and if shit hits the fan, your guy probably won't know what kratom is, so when asked you tell him its tea, like herbal tea, like chamomile tea. its always better not to tell, or play dumb if found out but they won't
     
  6. TheBigBadWolf

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    When Kratom is not a controlled substance where you live you can't be tested on this non- controlled substance, military service or not .

    Whether it is advisable to take a substance that is leading to addiction if taken on a regular basis is a different question.

    And that Kratom remains uncontrolled in most of the world doesnt mean it stays uncontrolled for forever.
    Kratom already is in the view of ' zero drugs' people in legislation and so one can estimate that it can only take months or in best case years until we find it on a no-no list.

    If you get the money for living from military play aling their rules. Trying to outtrick systems has often lead to making a very silly face when caught..
    Thats what I d tell your military buddy.

    BBW
     
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