Dose - Kratom capsules - Dosage and X's

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by Jazzgoblin, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. Jazzgoblin

    Jazzgoblin Silver Member

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    Hi,

    Sorry if a similar thread already exists but I couldn't find one. (If it does please point me in that direction)

    My psycadellic green hamster is interested in getting hold of some Kratom but his source only does this in lots of 10 20x capsules and 8 40x capsules and he wondered whether it would be a good idea to start with as high as say 20x and if he did how many capsules would he need to take?

    Thanks,

    Goblin
     
  2. Space Numpty

    Space Numpty Bad Mother-Fucker Palladium Member Donating Member

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    Dear Psychedelic Green hampster,

    It really sounds to me like you're looking to buy from a traditional "headshop" type website. I would strongly advise against this as the product is generally poor quality and highly overpriced.

    Sadly i can't give you the name of a decent ethnobotanical supplier but rest assured they are out there.

    I would also strongly advise against taking "extracts". If you can get some "Ultra Enhanced Indo" its certainly worth a try for the experience, but the vast majority of regular kratom users advise one uses standard ground leaf, Bali being a favorite, although those who are looking for something more stimulating would advise "Red Vein Thai" or perhaps "Super Green Indo".

    Decent extracts are expensive, and have a rapid tolerance ramp. I've read of users spending so much on their daily "Ultra Enhanced Indo" or "UEI" habit, that they might aswell have a heroin habit. (Other pitfalls aside)

    So, take the advice of a Kratom fan, seek out a decent specialist ethnobotanical supplier not a "headshop", and try 5g of powdered Bali (if your looking for an opiate type high) on an empty stomach.

    If you really do want to try these capsules and feel they are from a trusted supplier then one would usually go for, say, 2-3g of the 20x and 1-1.5g of the 40x. The supplier should give the weight of the capsules or an idea of how many make for a good "aroma" ;)
     
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  3. Jazzgoblin

    Jazzgoblin Silver Member

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    Thanks, for the advice Space Numpty, my hamster is very grateful and says...

    I will begin searching for a supplier of either UEI and/or some powdered Bali.

    I may buy some of the 20x capsules (just for the purposes of an experiment) as they are relativley inexpensive and come from an actual shop (from which I have had some decent Salvia) rather than from an online headshop (which as you say are often of dubious quality).

    If I do I shall report back on my experiences of both the capsules (if I do try them) and UEI or Bali as and when I can find some that is decent.

    Cheers,

    Goblin
     
  4. FabledHero

    FabledHero Newbie

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    I hear that enhanced products increase tolerance fast so those should probably be avoided unless it's used once in a great while. Also getting capsules you will have to take more to get the same effect because they are digested more slowly. Powder is recommended.
     
  5. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    One problem with X extracts is it is impossible to tell how strong they are without taking them, so start off low. 1 or 2 grams on an empty stomach for someone with no tollerence should be enough to get an idea.

    The thing is that unless the 10X and the 20X were made using the same leaf and the same extraction process then its possible that the 10X could be stronger than the 20X.

    10X is not an indication of strength, it just means that 10 grams of leaf were used to make one gram of extract, although even this is doubtful.
    If the leaf used to make the extract was crap then the resulting extract will be crap.
    If the extraction method was bad then the result will be bad too.

    Aside from this, extracts will ruin your tollerence to Kratom, as mentioned you are better off sticking to plain leaf.

    If you dont mind the taste i would recomend emptying the powder from the caps and either eating it or mixing it with a little hot water and drinking it.
     
  6. Jazzgoblin

    Jazzgoblin Silver Member

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    Thanks,

    Good point about extracts zombie,

    I had forgotten about the fact that the X isn't an indicator of strength (that being the case why do they even bother giving the information - is it just for marketing it to people who don't know what it means?)

    I might give emptying out the capsules a go, if it improves digestion but it sounds as if straightforward leaf might be the best way to go - I haven't heard any really positive feedback about capsules per se.

    Goblin
     
  7. FabledHero

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    I would recommend the powdered leaf, it's much easier to consume, just mix it with liquid etc. I have had problems with heart burn using the leaf, even though it's ground decently it personally is hard for SWIM to get down due to his propensity for heart burn. However if you don't have heart burn issues or don't mind it being harder to get down and or taking longer shouldn't matter which you use.
     
  8. cjarizona

    cjarizona Silver Member

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    It is in SWIM's experience that all of the brands found at head shops are garbage. The 10X, 20X etc, is nothing more than a marketing ploy in those cases, and it's generally all the same, just a different label. Take the advice of the folks here who have said to find a good supplier online. Those head shop brands are priced through the roof and you'll probably get no effect.