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Effects - Kratom does indeed work with suboxone

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by TheSweetPea, Jul 20, 2010.

  1. TheSweetPea

    TheSweetPea Silver Member

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    SWIM used a search and couldn't find a thread relating to this, other than someone asking if you can take kratom to get through the 24 hour period before suboxone is taken.

    Anyways SWIM took 2mg of suboxone this morning, then around 3 pm he ate ~10g of premium bali and to his surprise he felt the effects.

    They did seem rather "foggy" but undeniably present.

    This probably won't interest anyone, but hopefully it helps someone using the search function in the future.

    He will report in a few hours how kratom then suboxone works out.
     
  2. Ilsa

    Ilsa Platinum Member & Advisor

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    please do report on this... cat has read reports of mytraginine binding opioid receptors as tightly as buprenorphine, and perhaps even more so. this could be an interesting case study--please include weight, height and some background regarding tolerance along with the dosage in swiy's next update!
     
  3. TheSweetPea

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    SWIM is 6'2" about 205lb. SWIM has used opiates for over 6 years, kratom for no more than a year, and suboxone for over 2 years. His tolerance is relatively high for kratom and opiates compared to most. He never got the chance to try kratom then suboxone because he vomitted the ~20g of kratom, which is a first. He thinks it's due to him smoking a cigarette after consuming the kratom. KRATOM AND CIGARETTE DO NOT MIX.

    He is taking off a week or two from kratom (couple more days left) to decrease his tolerance then will try the kratom then suboxone combo.

    Glad to have contributed positively to the board.
     
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  4. Ilsa

    Ilsa Platinum Member & Advisor

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    thanks for the update, just have swiy keep the dosages low initially, in case there is some sort of additive effect, and work up--one can't "untake" a dose!
     
  5. RedMonkey

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    I don't mean to bring up this old thread back from the grave but for the sake of searchers I would like to add that kratom did not work for me on suboxone. I was on methadone for over 4yrs, was finally able to get off clean with almost zero WD using lopes and kratom after I brought my dose down to 20mg. Was clean for a while than ended up relapsing about 2 months later. After abusing my body and soul for about a month I decided Iwwouldget on suboxone and try to get clean again. yesterday was my first day off all opiates and took no more than 8mg total including today. I feel weak, depressed, can't eat nothing although I am WD free so I wanted to see if kratom I had left over would help me feel "normal" again so Idecided to take about 9g of maeng DA about an hour ago and it did nothing. It actually made me feel a little worst. Started getting a little burning sensation in my head. The point of this post Is that if you are on suboxone just stay on suboxone and nothing else. It definitely did not work for me but I should have known better. Well..this experiment failed for me.
     
  6. Potter

    Potter Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Red Monkey: Kratom, like most raw plant products varies quite a bit batch to batch, vendor to vendor. You should read the "How to Buy Kratom" guide and consider trying different sources. Especially if you got your kratom from a head shop. Did someone without ant tolerance test it?
     
  7. RedMonkey

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    Potter, I was only trying to say that kratom did not work "for me" while on suboxone as original poster said it has for him. I've been using kratom to get off 4yrs old methadone journey so I did do a bit of research as far as where to source and what strain work for me. So that's not the problem. Just wanted to see if kratom would make me feel better while on suboxone as op put it but kratom and suboxone does not mix. It actually made me feel sick.
     
  8. Potter

    Potter Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Just asking for clarification. I am sure you can understand the lack of value in reports involving poor quality products. Since there is a lot of poor quality kratom, we often check when people give negative reports.
     
  9. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Can i ask why you chose Maeng Da and if you went to a reputable vendor?
    You dont have to name the vendor, just if they were recommended by someone who knows they are good as opposed to their own reviews.
     
  10. RedMonkey

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    I went with a strain called red vein maeng DA. I tried many other which include Thai to green to plain ol Bali and maeng DA is the only strain that gave me the strongest effect I was looking for. Warm and sedation. The vendor is very reputable with their own rating and review system in place. It worked wonders before suboxone got in my system as long as I respected.
     
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    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    I am glad you found something that works but keep in mind that a vendor can post any rating they want on their own site, they can just make up anything.
    Try to find an independent source for reviews.
     
  12. RedMonkey

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    I do get a little sketched when I start seeing reviews since I'm sure the vendor can control those reviews a 100% but this place is very legit. I tried many other places and their red vein maeng DA is the best hands down. Tad more expensive but quality is always great.

    What is your favorite strain BTW Ian?
     
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    Green Malay.
    As strong as Maeng Da, lasts longer and costs less.
    It a great all around strain.
     
  14. Jizzmasterzero

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    I second the vote for Green Malay, my favorite too.
     
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    You guys don't think green Malay is too stimulating? I tried it and I felt so speedy. It is indeed a strong very stimulating strain. I might have to retry it one day.
     
  16. SUBsequent01

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    Yes I would have to agree ive taken up to 8mg of suboxone and as soon as the strip was disolved ingested 10 grams of kratom and felt the effects just the same as if i had not even taken the suboxone!! it works everytime for me atleast

    SUBsequent01 added 1 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

    on the same hand im also one of those wierd ones who actually gets a quite enjoyable buzz off of my suboxone so idk
     
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    It is very speedy, that is why I like it. It keeps me awake and focused when working night shifts.
     
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    I would not take more than 4 grams, but i prefer to mix it with red veined bali.
     
  19. RedMonkey

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    I wish I could get the same effect. I've been doing a quick detox with subs( for heroin, oxy). Started with 16mg on Christmas and now I'm down to about 2-3mg per day and I still can't feel any kratom. I still have a good amount of supply left from when I was using kratom coming off methadone WD(Bali, red Thai). Not my favorite strains but I certainly did feel them at the time when I was using it but it just doesn't work with me with subs. How long have you been on subs?

    I might try again in a day or two. If I can feel kratom again than that would be great so I can let go of the subs. Don't want to use them longer than a week. I been on methadone maintenance for over 4yrs and I definitely don't want that type of long term dependency ever again.

    Quick detox than taper and letting it go is the key for me.