last E trip!!!!

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  1. lavender

    lavender Newbie

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    ok so heres the deal.....


    will be having my last E trip next month.


    will be renting a hotel room in the fl keyes on the beach.


    i want to make this as memorable as possible!!


    will be just me ans my husband , we just want to enjoy eachother and the ocean... weve done this a million times befor and they have all been great but how can i end my rolling with a bang??


    i know how to blow him up something twisted, but do you guys have any suggestions on this?? anything would be appreciated.


    thanks in advance


    laterz~
     
  2. tom

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    <DIV>Cocaine stops you from wanting to go to sleep, so you could try that. And ketamine makes the dregs of a roll much more nejoyable.</DIV>
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    <DIV>But why is it your last?</DIV>
     
  3. lavender

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    well my husband is wanting to quit more then me, so this is kinda more for his last trip. in turn i wont do it as much but only leave my trip times for big events like ULTRA and so on.


    we will still smoke forever 420 for life!!! LOL


    back to topic, dont want to do coke with it or k.





    just some natural enhancements i guess is what im looking for.


    will have also a 1/2 oz of primo cripy to blaze and the usualls like gum water gatorade my inhalersand of coarse trance!!!
     
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    The gum and sports drinks are a good idea.



    If you're looking for supplements, try 5-htp.
     
  5. lavender

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    what will that do??( 5-htp) i know it has something to do with your seratonin but does it make it a better roll or is it more or less used for a precautionary measure??<img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley5.gif">





    ive never taken 5 htp before ive heard of it but only a little bit.





    thanks again!!
     
  6. FrankenChrist

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    You take some before and after (for several days). The body makes it into serotonin.



    It helps to get your serotonin levels back to normal afterwards which will help you cope with the dip.



    Other good advice is to take 1 SSRI (anti-depressant class. like prozac, paxil, etc.) afterwards.





    Have fun. <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley1.gif">
     
  7. lavender

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    ahhhhh ic.





    ive always doubled up on my vitamines about a week befor i take the plunge,


    but ive never tried that specificly. so well thanks guys.. i will enjoy it. anyone else have any other fun or zaney ideas let me know ive still got a few weeks to go.


    <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley2.gif">
     
  8. disorientedone

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    If I were you, I go out on the beach with my hubbie while rolling. Simple things like the texture of the sand and the way the water feels on you will feel amazing! If you get some privacy, I could think of many fun things you could do outdoors on the beach. ::wink wink:: If not, I'd rent a room with a hot tub and invest in some water safe massagers. My husband and I have one that has three different attachments and talk about feels amazing while rolling! Add some Vicks to your skin and use the massagers or hands to massage it in. Especially good if your E is real intense with body tingles. My favorite way to roll is when its just my husband and me. It is such a great chance to really connect, love, and talk to one another. If I can think of more fun stuff to do I'll post on it. Hope you guys have fun!
     
  9. lavender

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>


    Originally posted by disorientedone on 25 August 2004
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    If I were you, I go out on the beach with my hubbie while rolling. Simple things like the texture of the sand and the way the water feels on you will feel amazing! If you get some privacy, I could think of many fun things you could do outdoors on the beach. ::wink wink:: If not, I'd rent a room with a hot tub and invest in some water safe massagers. My husband and I have one that has three different attachments and talk about feels amazing while rolling! Add some Vicks to your skin and use the massagers or hands to massage it in. Especially good if your E is real intense with body tingles. My favorite way to roll is when its just my husband and me. It is such a great chance to really connect, love, and talk to one another. If I can think of more fun stuff to do I'll post on it. Hope you guys have fun!
    <HR>



    yea man i love rolling just me anf my hubbie. its such a connection we make talk about electricity its soooo awsome i love it!!! yea we are renting a hotel room right on the beach so we can go play outside and relax under the stars and all that good stuff. the vicks massages are a given we do that all the time (how can you roll without vicks??) but yea i guess what i was lookin for was some good trippy ideas i guess but you guys have been awsome so far so keep them ideas "rollin" in





    thanks ~lavender~</BLOCKQUOTE>
     
  10. umich

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    Hey there lavender, sorry to hear it will be your last time, but hopefully you'll make it worthwhile. Hopefully the trance you have is on a laptop because WinAmp has some great visualizations that really flow with the music and are mesmerizing. Its a must everytimeI roll.(I put my face right up to the screen with my nose nearly touching)Lollipops work just as well as gum and smoking cigs is great too (I havent tried it yet but maybe cloves would work better). Try grabbing a kaleidoscope or tie some glowsticks onto a fan. Sitting on the ground and doing a somersault(lean your head on the ground and flip over)really works for some people.Spinning yourself around and getting dizzy has a similar effect.Pulling your hair or massaging your scalp feels great. You'll definitely have a great time with the sand and water. Just sometrippin tricksfor you to try out, if anyone has any other ideas let me know. Have a safe roll.
     
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    i love all of that!! dont have winamp on my laptop but have been wanting to download for awhile!! will do for sure!! i always thought the visuals on windows media player were awsome. i saw them on winamp the other day they were amazing!!





    thanks for all the insight guys keep em comin
     
  12. P!MPJU!C3

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    Over hearing a conversation on "interisting drugs" the other day I heard of something called DOM. It appears that its been around 4 a long time but its just been introduced around where I live just now. Last I heard it sells really well 2 party people. It is some sort of a stimulant. The nickname it has is serenity, tranquility and peace. That sounds good 2 me so maby u should ask around 4 some of this stuff. Its supposed 2 be like xtc and MDMA.


    have fun[:)]
     
  13. Alfa

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    DOM aka STP is not like XTC at all. More like super LSD. This psychedelic drug has been around for many decades because not many people like tripping for up to 20 hours with one dose. A lot can happen in 20 hours, so I would be carefull with offering it to party people. It is illegal in the Netherlands and most other countries.


    Here is what PIHKAL says:


    DOSAGE: 3 - 10 mg.

    DURATION: 14 - 20 h.

    QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 1.0 mg) There is almost certainly an effect. Physically there is a slight dryness in the mouth, and my eyes are noticeably dilated. There is an eerie feeling overall.

    (with 2.3 mg) Mood elevation at 2-3 hrs. After 3 hours, emotional effects become more pronounced, enhancement of color also. Very little distortion of perception, no disorientation, no creeping or flowing, but color enhancement considerable. The emotional content and empathy for others was closer to mescaline than to amphetamine, a welcome change. No suggestion of nausea at any time. Unable to sleep at ten hours, so I took 3/4 grain Seconal. Headache and listlessness next morning, probably due to the Seconal.

    (with 3 mg) In the middle of the experience I found that I was able to separate components of complex things so as to evaluate them separately. There is no need to respect their normal purpose. The sharpness of observation is enhanced, but one can focus at every different depth of a thing or a concept. Colors are not just brighter; there are more of them. There is a profoundness of meaning inherent in anything that moves. A line of thought or a bit of personal history ties the thinker to the objects that had been thought of, or once experienced. It is this relationship that will prove productive. Not like in a movie which is circular in its totalness, but as in true life where the future is the result of your own involvement with everything about you.

    (with 4 mg) The first four hours were largely directed to the body. There was a shuddering, and a tight jaw, and I am not particularly motivated to talk to anyone. It is more arousing (like amphetamine) than depressing (like phenobarb). I am feeling just a little sick at the three hour point, but a bit of regurgitation clears this up. Then at the fourth hour, it went totally outside of me. I saw the clouds towards the west. THE CLOUDS!!! No visual experience has ever been like this. The meaning of color has just changed completely, there are pulsations, and pastels are extremely pastel. And now the oranges are coming into play. It is a beautiful experience. Of all past joys, LSD, mescaline, cannabis, peyote, this ranks number one. Normally I have no color effects with mescaline. A dynamic experience. Feels good, too.

    (with 5 mg) There was the magnification of light, color and odors. It was all very pleasant and beautiful, except that I had an overwhelmingly negative feeling. This at times grew to considerable intensity, and I feel it was clearly due to anger. At times the negativity disappeared completely, and I broke into the most enjoyable, even hilarious experiences. I alternated about 50-50 between joy and discomfort. As the evening drew on, I became withdrawn and pensive. It seemed clear that I had made all the wrong decisions--choice of partner, place to live, isolation, no meaningful activity. The greatest shocker was that my practice of meditation, which is one of my central focuses, and which I thought had brought me much peace and understanding, seemed to be a delusional solution to my unhappiness and isolation. The experience continued unabated throughout the night with much tension and discomfort. I was unable to get any sleep. I hallucinated quite freely during the night, but could stop them at will. While I never felt threatened, I felt I knew what it was like to look across the brink to insanity.

    (with 8 mg) The very quiet development picks up speed betweeen the first and second hour. There is a rich curly-imaged eyes-closed show that interlocks closely with music. It is occasionally an off-beat fantasy and not directly knit together, and even occasionally unenjoyable. But always intense and completely appropriate to the music. There is a continuous thirst, and little urine. Napping seems OK at 16 hours, but real sleep must wait until the 20 hour point. Overall a rolling +++, and I am looking forward to a repeat some day.

    (with 10 mg) If on this page I shall have expressed it to you then it is true that DOM has the glory and the doom sealed up in it. All that's needed to unseal it is to surround it with a warm living human for a few hours. For that human for those hours all the dark things are made clear.

    (with 12 mg) The first awareness was at 30 minutes and it was in the tummy. The development was extremely rapid, something more like LSD than previously remembered. The body tremor feels like poisoning, there is no escaping the feeling of being disabilitated, but at least there is no nausea. This transition ended and the trauma cleared completely at about the second hour. The music was exceptional, the erotic was exceptional, the fantasy was exceptional. Listz's "A Christmas Cantata #1," part 1, with eyes closed was an experience without precedent. There were some residual effects still noted the next day. This may be a bit much for me.

    (with 0.3 mg of the "R" isomer) Maybe slightly wiry? No effects.

    (with 0.5 mg of the "R" isomer) There is a real effect, and it is significant that the first effects of the racemate were noted at 1.0 milligram. There is a trace of time slowing and in general a pretty full manic state. There is some mydriasis. Everything had pretty much cleared up by evening.

    (with 2.0 mg of the "S" isomer) No effects. There was an unexpected slight tachycardia at the two hour point, but nothing suggesting psychotropic action.

    (with 2.6 mg of the "S" isomer) There are signs of both pulse increase and blood pressure increase. There is some teeth-rubbiness, but still no psychological turn on at all.

    EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: The rationale for the design and making of DOM has already been discussed. One could predict that it could have been, theoretically, a totally inactive compound and maybe an effective blocker for whatever receptor sites are being occupied by other psychoactive drugs and even for strange things that some unbalanced people might actually make within their bodies, using their own personal chemistry. On the other hand, it could have been a potent psychedelic in its own rights, and if so, probably long lived. The latter "could have been" proved to be so.

    The very modest amount of study of the individual optical isomers clearly indicates that the "R" isomer is the more active. The sparse comments suggest that some of the heavier physical aspects of the racemate might be due to contributions from the "inactive" "S" isomer. It is, after all, the "S" isomer of amphetamine that carries the major punch of that stimulant. Maybe if that isomer were removed, and one were to explore the pure "R" isomer of DOM, the dramatic visual aspects of the larger dosages might not be complicated with a troublesome physical component.

    This compound, unbeknownst to me, was scattered widely and plentifully in the heyday of the Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco, in mid-1967. It was distributed under the name STP, which was said to stand for Serenity, Tranquility, and Peace. It was also claimed to represent Super Terrific Psychedelic, or Stop The Police. The police called it: Too Stupid to Puke. Actually, the name was taken from the initials of a motor additive which was completely unrelated chemically. Incredibly, and sadly, one of the avowed experts in the area of the "sensuous drugs" actually stated that STP, the motor oil additive, was really one and the same as STP, the highly dangerous psychedelic. The motor oil additive, he wrote in a book of his, had properties somewhat related to those of LSD, mescaline, and the amphetamines. How fortunate that the love children of the time didn't do much reading, for they might have gotten into yet deeper pharmacological troubles with drug raids on the local gasoline stations.

    Two complications became apparent during this first appearance and they led to serious difficulties. One, there was no equation made between STP and DOM. No one knew what this drug was which had been distributed in a cavalier way throughout the city. There could be no educated guess as to the best treatment of overdose emergencies. And secondly, the initial tablets that had been distributed apparently contained 20 milligrams of DOM per tablet; later, it was dropped to 10 milligrams. Either of these, in retrospect, is now known to be a thoroughly whopping dose. The overdose situation was aggravated by the slow onset of DOM. The user may be aware of some initial effects at the half-hour point, there will be what might be called a + or ++ at the end of the first hour, and the full impact of the drug is not appreciated until some two hours have elapsed. But many of the recipients of the free handouts of DOM were familiar with LSD which can show its alert in 15 to 20 minutes, or even sooner with a large dose, and there is already a deep and compelling intoxication felt at the half-hour point. They, quite reasonably, expected this familiar activity pattern with STP and assumed, when there was little if any activity noted at the half-hour point, that the potency was less than expected. They took one or even two additional dosage units. Thus, some of the overdose victims of that period may well have taken as much as 30 mg of DOM. The slow onset of action, coupled with the remarkably long duration, caught many innocent users unprepared.

    Clinical studies have documented the rapid tolerance development from repeated exposures to DOM. Five volunteers were given 6 milligrams daily for three days. Objectively, psychological tests showed a decrease in responses. Subjectively, all found extremely intense effects on the first day, and all but one found it unpleasant. By the third exposure on the third day, all had diminished responses, ranging from only "moderately strong" to "felt absolutely nothing." One actually slept during the experience on the third day.

    The hexadeutero-analogue (deuterium atoms on the two methoxyl groups) has been prepared as an internal standard for analytical work, but there are no reports of its human pharmacology. A study with this sort of derivative would be a fine companion to the studies already underway with the mescaline analogues that are similarly substituted. A difference exists, however. With mescaline, it is believed that the loss of a methoxyl group is a step towards the inactivation of the compound, whereas with DOM this loss may be associated with the formation of an active metabolite. The several fascinating questions raised by possible differences in both the rates and the degree of demethylation of these two compounds are well worth trying to answer.

    A number of compounds related to DOM had been synthesized and studied at the University of California at San Francisco, at about this time. Two of these were simply the juggling of the two methoxyl groups and the methyl group on the ring, still maintaining the 2,4,5-ness relative to the amphetamine chain. These are 2,4-dimethoxy-5-methylamphetamine and 4,5-dimethoxy-2-methylamphetamine. Since the slang name for DOM in and about the medical center was STP, and since STP was the name of a motor oil additive, it is not unreasonable that the first of these to be synthesized, the 2,4-dimethoxy-5-methyl isomer, was referred to by the name of another motor oil additive popular at that time, F-310. The Vilsmeier reaction between 2,4-dimethoxytoluene and the Vilsmeier complex of POCl3 and N-methylformanilide gave the benzaldehyde (mp 117-118 °C) with a yellow malononitrile derivative from EtOH with a mp of 193-194 °C. The nitrostyrene from this and nitroethane formed yellow crystals from CH3CN, with a mp 138-139 °C. The amine formed easily with LAH in ether, and the product F-310 (or 5-DOM) gave white crystals from CH3CN with a mp of 182-183 °C.

    And the other isomer, the 4,5-dimethoxy-2-methyl counterpart, became known familiarly as F-320, or sometimes simply 2-DOM. Its preparation followed an identical procedure, starting from 3,4-dimethoxytoluene. I have been told that F-310 is not active even at 20 milligrams in man, which would make it several times less potent than DOM (STP). I know of no trials with F-320. The use of the letter RFS does not imply any relationship between these two compounds and the series described elsewhere with the RFS code followed by other numbers, such as F-2 and F-22. These latter are F's because they are furans, not motor oil additives. And yet another oil additive, well known at the time as Z-7, became associated with the synthesis of the DOM (STP) isomer with its groups in the 2,4,6-positions. This is entered separately under gamma-DOM.
     
  14. lynx

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    Does anybody know how to make xtc? Where i'm from it is really hard to find it.
     
  15. P!MPJU!C3

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    Tough shit, look harder. Dont open ur own clandestine lab 2 blow urself up. I would get u the recipe if u where a scientist but since ur posting on a drugs forum 4 the recipe 2 xtc i take it ur not. So go and score some in a nearby town or something and spend ur rent on pills if u must but dont open ur own lab because u wont be the 1st amateur 2 blow him or herself up.



    Ohyeah alfa. I took a dubble check and I thought it was DMT a.k.a business mans' trip or somthin but it turned out 2 be AMT. Yes, a tryptamine like that new drug foxy(also solled by this guy) and psilocyn. But also DOM is sold, i believe he told me it had its roots in San Francisco, California.

    I know what a tryptamine is but i didnt know what DOM was.
     
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    DOM doesn't sound like a party drug to me.



    And making MDMA yourself isn't such a smart idea. You have to handle dangerous chemicals, and the raw materials and machines aren't for sale to individuals.
     
  17. Dr. Shadow

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    When you use coke on a xtc high you loose the xtc feeling try
    poppers (amintyl nitraat ore something) thats work great [​IMG]