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Opinions - Legal Alternatives to Adderall

Discussion in 'Adderall' started by nick760, Nov 9, 2008.

  1. nick760

    nick760 Newbie

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    SWIM is a college student. SWIM's the type of person who has a VERY difficult time focusing on things, especially when it comes to schoolwork; generally, he learns things quickly, but getting focused is the issue. SWIM is interested in legal alternatives to Adderall; for example, he likes '5 Hour Energy,' but he was wondering if there were any other products that would be particularly useful for studying. He's seen some products online but wanted to know what others suggested first before stocking up on products.
     
  2. Felix Guattari

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    Off the top of my head, the only tried-and-true chemicals I can think of that actually accomplish similar things are modafinil (scheduled but still pretty easily obtained) and
    aniracetam. Piracetam is a decent concentration aid for some, but this seems only to be true for SWiM when combined with caffeine.

    Some find benzadrex (containing propylhexedrine) inhalers to be a decent means to this end. I've heard reports of MDPV being used for this means as well.

    There's a fairly exhaustive thread on stimulants and productivity here.
     
  3. 100mg Methylphenidate

    100mg Methylphenidate Silver Member

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    Maybe combining ginseng and ginkgo biloba? Nicotine has debatable effects in people with ADHD(not suggesting you smoke if you don't already. Extremely hard habit to quit.) Caffeine always helps me. It actually makes me calmer. I don't feel right without it. At worst couldn't swiy get an adderall/dexedrine prescription somehow? Modafinil? Swim says he doesn't think anything legal could really replace adderall...
     
  4. Graduisic

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    nope, nothing will reproduce adderall, but like an above post said, aniracetam is a good alternative. It doesn't provide a fraction of the speediness of adderall, since, umm, it doesn't have speed... yeah...

    But the effects are quite good for motivation, too expensive to use daily, but good for use in times when one has to push themselves. Too much aniracetam will cause a bad headache, which would need choline/acetycholine to supplement (aniracetam burns up a lot of it, just like adderall). No appetite suppression as opposed to adderall either. Definitely legal and its just enough to go the extra mile when needed. Accompanied with a gingko biloba/baccopa supplement, or DMAE (seriously, check out the nootropics forum), and it may provide the focus one needs.

    If it's a speed boost one needs, then try ephedra.

    One of my biggest recommendations is to take a vitamin B supplement every day. Extremely helpful for cognitive support.
     
  5. gmeziscool2354

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    um, dude, no offense but propylhexedrine is VERY similar in effects to adderal, and for all practical purposes it is legal and readily availible. so yes, there is atleast one reasonable legal alternative
     
  6. Bajeda

    Bajeda Platinum Member & Advisor

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    My panda feels that propylhexedrine is not a worthy alternative to adderall. It will keep you awake, but the jittery stimulation you get from propylhexedrine doesn't help mental focus or clarity and it feels (and probably is) less healthy than other amphetamines. The panda used it as a last resort study aid on several occasions and probably will never use it again regardless of the circumstances. The extremely weak payoff (both recreational and as productivity aid) paired with the many irritating and unhealthy side effects makes propylhexedrine not worth it.


    Yerba maté may be worth looking at. Similar to coffee and other caffeine containing products, but different feel. Some like the stimulation better than what they would experience with just caffeine (less jittery). Swiy may want to check it out.

    My panda found that a daily piracetam and choline (sometimes other nootropics also) regimen helped him with his morning classes, and that it pairs nicely with caffeine. Swiy should check out the Nootropics Forum for more info.
     
  7. 100mg Methylphenidate

    100mg Methylphenidate Silver Member

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    I can't find any scientific evidence at all that yerba mate is less jittery than good old coffee. All I can find is anecdotal evidence. Theobromide itself, the other main alkaloid besides caffeine in yerba mate, appears to have extremely limited effects, even at much higher doses than are in yerba mate. I get the jist that it's probably just due to the fact that yerba mate has a much lower caffeeine content than coffee. I am a heavy coffee drinker and I get almost no energy from yerba mate personally. Although, it is quite healthy and tasty.

    Not that I'm necessarily right, but do you have any links to suggest otherwise? I would be quite interested. Seriously. I searched this for hours on google and couldn't find any reason that this could be true, except maybe for the B vitamins in yerba mate.
     
  8. Milk man

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    Have you tried drinking 3-4 cups of yerba mate in a sitting and seeing how you react?



    It seems you and I share the same struggle for a good legal alternative for focusing(Very smart, quick learner, but motivation/focus is in the dumpster). I came across this erowid experience a few days back, Swim is quite interested in trying it(mainly last 1 or second to last)

    http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=14231
     
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    Really sexy girls with the stuff you need to learn written in blue biro across their bare chests and inner thighs.
    Other than that it'll probably mean getting some health shop shite.
     
  10. Bajeda

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    There was enough anecdotal evidence to convince my Panda to try it, and he found that he liked the stimulation better than what he would get from coffee.

    There weren't many studies I could find on the subject, but it seems that people do experience a subjective difference in effects between yerba mate and other caffeine sources such as coffee or tea. I couldn't find any detailed qualifications (empirical or otherwise) of these differences however.

    Unfortunately the archive is being petulant and won't let me upload the files I found as they are too large. Will let you know when I can get around this.
     
  11. 100mg Methylphenidate

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    Have you ever tried sitting down to 3-4 cups of strong coffee? lol. Much more stimulation.

    I've drank glass after glass of yerba mate, and I will say it's more stimulating than soda(mountain dew, coca cola), but not anywhere up to par with coffee or caffeine pills.

    If you drink enough of it, you get jittery. Maybe it's the full stomach thing that makes people feel calmer? As in, you'd have to drink a few glasses of yerba mate to get the same effect one cup of coffee would, and a full stomach usually makes people relaxed and sleepy.

    I can't find ANY evidence at all from actual scientific studies that shows theobromide to have any effects at all on one's perception of energy or relaxation in it's pure state. Although, there is lots of evidence proving caffeine does.

    Remember, placebo is a very powerful drug.

    As much as I'd like to believe in some sort of greater legal stimulant than coffee(not that it makes me jittery anyway. I get jittery without it XD ), I am having a hard time finding proof. =/

    Example...all of swims friends INSIST that red rock opium is REAL FUCKING OPIUM! Wtffffffff? They claim to have gotten high off this product. Just because it's not a long fucking stick doesn't mean it's not incense...
     
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  12. Bajeda

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    Yerba Mate most certainly contains caffeine, so at the least you would experience stimulant effects from that when consuming it. It also contains theophylline and theobromine (other xanthine alkaloids). It has been suggested that the varied reactions of individuals to Yerba Mate (as compared to other caffeine containing substances) is simply due to the different mix and amount of methylxanthines in the herb.

    Also keep in mind the issue of varying quality that one has to deal with when experimenting with ethnobotanical substances. Different preparations of the same plant can vary greatly in terms of intensity or range of effects.




    That said, my monkey just remembered Catha Edulis (Khat / Qat) is very well worth mentioning. Unfortunately it is illegal in the United States. If you live in the UK or somewhere else where it is legal, it is probably the best legal stimulant you can find so long as you don't mind chewing on astringent tasting plant matter :p
     
  13. 100mg Methylphenidate

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    Swim wants to try khat so bad. Does it really feel anything like amphetamines?
     
  14. Stephenwolf

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    Isn't ephedra banned as a supplement now? And even if bought as bulk herb isn't it risky as its a meth-precursor? I just don't see ordering ephedra being all that safe of an idea... Conversly i'd be extremely happy to learn that its safe to order, Unknowns have been eyeing it for some time now but have been too uncertain on the safety of ordering an amphetamine precursor...
     
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  15. 100mg Methylphenidate

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    Uh. If you can buy psuedophedrine in the US easily you can get ephedrine. Just don't make meth with it and you don't have anything to worry about. It's perfectly legal to buy as a bronchodilator for asthma. Even without a prescription. Just look around.
     
  16. Stephenwolf

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    buying psuedoephedrine is a pain in the ass in most U.S. States. And the amount you purchase is thighly regulated. I just assumed that ephedra would fall under psuedo/ephedrine regulations making intent to manufacture, or whatever the specific charge is, if one ordered too much.
     
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  17. 100mg Methylphenidate

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    It's not really a pain in the ass here....

    "Hi I'd like pseudophed"
    "Okay. Here you go. Just don't make meth. I need you to sign your name here too."
    *pays*
    *leaves.
     
  18. Cathay

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    Modafinil is a great drug. SWIM used it after three hour nights of sleep to be able to stay awake in class, and it does just that-- it doesn't make SWIY jittery or anything. SWIY can focus, and SWIY won't feel tired. Some have suggested that it gives a euphoria, but SWIM thinks that the euphoria is negligible and not a selling point.

    SWIM loves this thing. The only bad thing about it is after SWIM used it for several months, he developed a tolerance of it and now 50mg won't do anything for him. It's also a bit expensive, but if SWIY can find it generic, it's definitely worth it.
     
  19. Stephenwolf

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    Having read a bit on the combat meth act or w/e its called ephedra plant matter shouldn't be an issue. Though i still believe psuedoephedrine purchase is a risky matter.

    But as far as adderall replacement goes ephedra would likely be useful if its a stayawake issue, and Unknown peoples have found Propylhexedrine to be quite similar to adderall.
     
  20. betsym

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    Yohimbine perhaps and Pycnogenol. The latter has been recommended to swim by a well-known gifted-devleopment center. Swim was skeptical when told to use that but she did and was pleasantly surprised. Do some research on internet about Pycnogenol being used in the treatment of ADHD and swiy should find the studies done about it. Even though they told swim to use only the kind that came from France, she found that way too expensive and the regular drug-store kind to work just as well in the amounts recommended to her by the center. Hope this helps.