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Other - Legal ketamine alternatives

Discussion in 'Ketamine' started by LondonUK, Jul 6, 2012.

  1. LondonUK

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    After two very bad experiences from "friends" who provided previously good k I am looking for legal highs to try ensure purity. Also another thing I hate taking K via intranasal so would prefer sources for legal pills if possible or something for oral consumption. Problem being k was very useful for bad moments of my bipolar depression but inpurities which I suspected may have been anphetamine proved a costly mistake :-(

    Any help much appreciated
     
  2. nigh

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    Dextromethorphan has a lot of similar effects to ketamine and is very readily available OTC. What happened when you took the ketamine that contained amphetamine?
     
  3. LondonUK

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    Felt shit and suicidal for 3 days really not fun
     
  4. Jamminwithacanofsalmon

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    Dextromethorphan. Closest thing thats legal. My pink elephant recomends it highly. My pink elephant has done it quite a bit and has found it quite similar to Ketamine.
     
  5. LondonUK

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    Cheers just reading up on it now
     
  6. LondonUK

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    Just trying Dxm tonight on a starter dosage off 300mg so let's see :) will report back tomorrow
     
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    Before you do that- what are you using as the source of DXM? Does it contain other active ingredients besides DXM?
     
  8. LondonUK

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    Thanks yes I did read up using Robitussin dry cough 150 mg per bottle still waiting for effect and I'm starving

    LondonUK added 0 Minutes and 40 Seconds later...

    Don't really want to eat to get a decent effect just drinking water and had a chocolate bar
     
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    Alright, good. It looks like that's safe. Overdoses on APAP are certainly not fun, so I was just looking out for you.
     
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    MXE is about as close as it gets to ketamine, but that's a lot longer lasting and tricky to dose. But a little research and you should be OK with it. Just go slow.

    Oh yea, this might not be legal where you're at. But I'm sure there's some kind of RC that'll compare that isn't banned yet
     
  11. LondonUK

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    Thanks nigh appreciate the link to the wiki as fairly new to the site. Nice to get something I know hasn't got shit thrown in with it

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    Ok seems my body has dealt with the effects now it seems I got a little unstable feeling walking, enjoyed music for a bit which was fun no dissociation or real trippy effects but gave me the focus that k does so I did some work strange as that sounds my sober wife checked it and apart from afew typos all good.

    Feel a little addicted to that focus element of k etc as its great to be so productive but shame the Dxm didn't take me to K Hole land. That's when I seem to get the best effects for the dump out of any bipolar troubles that I'm feeling. Having said that my mood has been extremely normal this last two weeks so hard to say if it would have any anti depressant effect like k

    Anyway off to sleep now as feeling a bit tired
     
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  12. nigh

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    As your name suggests you are from london apap = parcetamol and to get a 300mg dose of dxm would definitely contain a dangerous amount of paracetamol. benalyn dry coughs jon drowsy doesnt have it in but at of the top of my heT 7mg dxm per 5ml alot of syrup is needed and will likely cause vomiting if new. Also 300 mg will shoot you past the first plateux which is the best starting point.

    Another thing is the pleasent narcotic effects start to fall off at higher doses leaving you possibly in an unplesent state of dissociation that is more usually comforted by ket or similar derivitives.

    also if you do decide to try it make sure you are in a good frame if mind and manafeable surroundings. Im not saying it can't be good as was afoaf's weopon if choice at one point but usefulness has been lost in said explorer.

    Take it easy and research as much as you can very mg/kg deoendent with a non linear dosage curve so make sure you kniw where you want to goto before you set off.

    All thr best
     
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  14. LondonUK

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    Cheers guys like k the sleepy feeling was there but not much chance of it happening so just been eating and drinking water.

    Good first experience to be honest very relaxed a touch of fun and like K as requested thanks nigh for that extra article I will look into it a bit more and decide if I want to try again and up the dose. Only thing I didn't like was getting the 2 bottles of syrup down in the first place felt a tad sickly on the second bottle although I did wait a bit before downing it.

    Are there tablets you can take on the UK market that are more condensed versions of the Dom found in the liquid?
     
  15. nigh

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    I donno- the best idea is to go to a supermarket and check it out yourself. It'll probably be easier that way. However, if you don't mind a little extra work, you can convert the syrup into DXM crystals or a smaller amount of liquid containing only DXM.

    Here's an easy technique for doing so
     
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    Thought I would add no hangover just a little sleep deprivation so happy with the trial run
     
  17. davestate

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    I'm surprised 2-MeO-Ketamine, 3-OH-PCP, 3-MeO-PCP, 4-MeO-PCP and ethylketamine haven't been mentioned yet. These are UK Legal dissociative research chemicals. Have a read of the drug info/experiences threads below and see which you like the sound of best

    2-MeO-Ketamine (Methoxyketamine) Drug Info
    2-MeO-Ketamine (Methoxyketamine) Experiences

    Ethyl-Ketamine: 2-(2-chlorophenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone info


    3-HO-PCE Drug Info

    3-MeO-PCP Drug Info

    3-MeO-PCP Experiences

    Drug info - 4-MeO-PCP

    4-MeO-PCP Experiences
     
  18. Xanahalf

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    SWIM has not yet found a legal alternative to ketamine that has its same favorable list of effects. High on SWIMS list of favorable effects is the short duration - most of the RC's seem to have VERY long durations. SWIM enjoys the k-hole peak experience but does not enjoy the residual effects that linger for ~1hr after ketamine. The RC's seem to have a longer "k"-hole experience but their residual effects seem to linger WAY WAY longer in comparison. All depends on what you like i guess but SWIM doesnt recommend jumping into any RC's without lots of research (and a good scale!) first!

    PS: SWIM doesnt find DXM to be a very good alternative either - again SWIM only really likes the k-hole and not the "party" effects
     
  19. LondonUK

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    Yeah have to agree I didn't really enjoy the Dxm once the dose was higher. Stomach felt pretty awful and high didn't compare to K quite nearly as much as I had hoped. I love the K hole and didn't get there at recommended dose and personally don't fancy trying again
     
  20. Tripdisaster

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    I wouldnt compare DXM to Ketamine,
    DXM is a dissociative for sure but its also a morphinan and it have affinity for mu, delta and kappa opioid receptor, it have also anticholinergic effect on the nicotinic receptor.
    The affinity for NMDA antagonism which is responsible for the dissociative effect is not as high as with other typical dissociative.
    Also DXM have no dopamine reuptake inhibitor neither which is the main reason why dissociative are "fun".
    DXM have also sigma receptor agonism and serotonin/norepinephrine transporter reuptake inhibitor.

    SWIM have done a 750mg trip and blacked out about 15minutes after the effect begin. After an unknown time SWIM woke up but was unable to walk for at least 1 hour.