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TEK - LSA extraction of morning glory using only isopropyl alcohol?

Discussion in 'LSA seeds' started by darkbreed, Jul 5, 2008.

  1. darkbreed

    darkbreed Newbie

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    SWIM was wondering if extracting the LSA from morning glory with isopropyl alcohol 99.9% without doing any rinsing with naphta etc first would be fine?

    SWIM read about the cold water extractions but he feels the alcohol would get more of the LSA out. But what about the nasties that are cleansed with naphta in other extraction methods - are they soluble in alcohol?

    SWIM read many times that the "good stuff" is soluble in alcohol and the "bad stuff" in naphta, so he was wondering if skipping the whole naphta step would be fair enough?

    He has done morning glory many times before and got a nice vendor that supplies him with good seeds that are untreated and he has always had great effects from these seeds in the past, but at those times he just chewed up the seeds and swallowed them down - up to 1000+ seeds at most, maybe around 1300, which made him trip for 2 days in a row with heavy hallucinations and amazing adventures.

    Its just a bit much to chew down so many seeds so he was thinking about trying an extraction this time, also he thinks that the reason he tripped for 2 days was because all those seeds take some time to be absorbed in the belly so he is also supposing that an extraction would make him trip for lesser time, 2 days is a bit long =)

    In general SWIM do not have a problem with nausea and the other side effects many people report from morning glory, and he usually take them on an empty stomach.

    Anyway, if SWIM crushes up his morning glory seeds and let them soak in a isopropyl alcohol solution for a day or two before filtering several times and evaporating, shouldn't that work pretty fine? And, if he wants to make the product purer can he just add some new isop. alco. to the goo left after evaporation and filter some more? Is acetone useful for anything when it comes to morning glory extractions? (he got a bunch laying around so just curious if he can use it for something in this process). Is this a good replacement for the naphta if SWIM want to do any rinsing anyway, and also can he do this after the alcohol extraction instead of before, in other words on the goo left after evaporation?

    Also, do anyone know what is the actual amount of pure LSA needed for a decent trip, or lets say how much LSA would you find it for example 10 grams of morning glory seeds approximately?

    Thanks and cheers-

    darkbreed added 394 Minutes and 4 Seconds later...

    Well for now SWIM decided to just go for it and try out with 35 grams of powderized morning glory seeds added in around half a liter of 99.9% isopropyl alcohol which have been left in a capped mug in a dark closet after shaking and stirring well. He will let it there for tomorrow and then filter it and perhaps add some more isopropyl alcohol on the leftovers for getting out more.

    He read about several other people having good success with alcohol only exctractions, and also read that the bad stuff that causes nausea is not soluble in the alcohol, though he is not sure about the other baddie who causes the "fish eye" thing and other unpleasent side effects as it was not mentioned if this one is soluble or not in the alcohol.

    He plans to split the resulting filtrated matter up in 3 doses.

    Reports will be made in some days on the result and its effects, in the meanwhile anyone whom are familiar with the questions in my previous post may feel free to add some comments =)

    Cheers

    darkbreed added 1334 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...

    Update: Currently waiting for the evaporation to complete. The solution itself was a whiteish color but seem more yellowish now after filtration. Poured the upper part of solution slowly into a strainer with two kitchen paper towels in as filter, the lower part with the remaining seed sludge I poured into a sock and squeezed the juice through it and into the strainer with the paper towels. Greenish smudge was left on the paper after filtration, and the filtrated liquid is very clear and pure but as said with a yellowish color.

    NOTE: I recommend a ventilated area when working with the isopropyl alcohol, I got pretty high from just inhaling the smell of the isopropyl alcohol during the process which took some time and this was something I had not expected. The effects are similar to those of huffing acetone and probably not very healthy.
     
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  2. emoduckie

    emoduckie Newbie

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    So... Did it work?
     
  3. darkbreed

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    Well its dried up now and yellowish stuff left but I havn't had the time to test it yet... At least its all evaporated now, took couple weeks... Dunno how the potency of LSA is degraded if at all when exposed to air etc. It is stored in a cold dark place for the moment.. But heck plenty of morning glory seeds left to grind up and just chug down if not, personally dont usually have any problems with nausea etc but I was interested in trying a more pure lsa extration as well as provide it for friends whom get easily nauseated.

    And yeah for the records LSA is legal here and I can chew coca whenever I want :)
     
  4. The Dreamer

    The Dreamer Titanium Member

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    Hey, my cat has been doing a similar extraction with Methanol and Naphtha. The methanol evaporated really fast but there is now about a teaspoon of liquid left over and hes not sure if it is some sort of oil from the seeds. It doesn't smell of alcohol at all. But he's still hesitant to try it. He's positive the Naphtha is gone since he let it dissolve back into a powder.

    Is your turtle's a liquid or a gunk?

    And by the way whenever you are talking about a synthesis or an act of drug consumption you should make it clear that it wasn't you who was doing it. I know that what we're talking about isn't illegal but just to be safe you shouldn't implicate yourself. And actually depending on where you're from the isolation of LSA may be illegal. They make drug laws like that to keep us guessing; you can never be completely sure what will magically become illegal tomorrow. And you wouldn't want to take the fall for your turtle.
     
  5. darkbreed

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    What is left of my turtles experiment is a dried up substane, yellow in color, stuck for the moment in the bottom of a pot. It was "SLIGHTLY" liquidusish matter left when the turtle checked last time, but pretty much all is dry and stuck to the pot and would need to be scraped out. The turtle did not check in a couple days, but he assumes it should all be completeley dry and solid and stuck to the bottom of the pan now.

    35 grams of powderized morning glory seeds were used, and only a small amount of yellow sticky stuff is left over in the pot after the extraction so the turtle assumes his extraction is pretty pure, all leftover sludge and seed matters were discarded after a second extraction.

    The turtle will report back soon on the progress!
     
  6. The Dreamer

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    My cat and some of his friends all tested the liquid. He had forgotten that Methanol takes on water if you leave it lying around for too long. Turned out just fine.

    My cat did several extractions with Isopropyl over the past few days. They don't seem to be working well. The only time he got a significant effect was when he took 1500 seeds. Then he took a second extraction for his friend who felt almost nothing. So it can't be that it just isn't effective at extracting the LSA it must be breaking it down or altering it in some way that makes it less bio-available.
     
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  7. 69Ron

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    SWIM's first crude LSA extraction used isopropyl alcohol and it was highly successful.

    You can extract LSA from the seeds using the following solvents that SWIM tested:

    Water
    Isopropyl Alcohol
    Ethyl Alcohol
    Acetone
    Methyl Ethyl Ketone

    You can NOT extract LSA from the seeds using these solvents:

    Naphtha (that includes V&P Naphtha, charcoal lighter fluid, etc.)
    DCM (Dichloromethane)
    Xylene
    Heptane
    Toulene

    The LSA is present in the seeds in water soluble salt form. When in freebase form it is soluble in the following solvents that SWIM tests:

    Water
    Isopropyl Alcohol
    Ethyl Alcohol
    Acetone
    Methyl Ethyl Ketone
    DCM


    The best way to extract LSA is by using an A/B extraction. In order to do an A/B extraction on it, you must use DCM or a similar solvent as the NP solvent. Water soluble salt forms of LSA are insoluble in DCM. But freebase LSA is soluble in DCM and water. When in the A stage, you should defat about 10 times with DCM to ensure all the toxins are removed. Then go to the B stage. Note that, in the B stage the freebase form of LSA is still soluble in water. So in the B stage, you need to extract the freebase LSA from the basic water at least 10 times using DCM. But when going from DCM to acidic water, 1 time is usually enough because it LOVES WATER. You’ll want to go from A to B and then back to A again. The reason being that freebase LSA is very unstable, so after you freebase it, you’ll want to immediately convert it back into a salt. LSA is colorless but fluoresces in black light. It’s very helpful to have a black light. This helps you tell if all the LSA is extracted or not. During the B stage, the DCM will glow in black light if there’s any LSA in it.

    Note that you should not boil LSA for very long or it will eventually decompose. So if you want to extract the seeds using a Soxhlet, use a low boiling solvent like acetone.
     
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  8. twitehell messenger

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    was there any results from your alcohol only extraction? was the result a good product?
     
  9. Felix Guattari

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    Yeah; how did it turn out?
     
  10. darkbreed

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    SWIM decided to discard his batch of lsa extracted from morning glory as it had been laying around for too long.. Like half a year. He has decided to run a new extraction using ordinary ethanol instead as he think that may be better and then he do not need to wait for total evaporation etc as he can just ingest the ethanol and perhaps prepare a nice psychedelic beverage spiced up with some LSA Vodka or something along those lines =)

    Will get back on that later, for now SWIM got enough Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds to keep him busy for a while...
     
  11. pistol pete

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    it'll work fine, ull just have alot more to ingest
    and maybe get a bit more sick
     
  12. darkbreed

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    Well back to the drawing board.

    SWIM has not been experimenting with any LSA extractions lately as he's had hawaiian baby woodrose seeds that he simply eat down as they are or powderize and mix with an acidic solution (like water with some lemon juice) and drink down. This works great for him and causes no ill effecs.

    But he is interested in extracting a more pure product with less of the toxins and more of the LSA in it for his friends that have a stronger sensitivity towards the toxins, apparently, as they purge and get very nausous as well as tired etc. SWIM get more energized and have powerful visuals and do not get sick and he would like his friends to be able to experience the same.

    SWIM might try Ron69's tech although it sounds like a lot of work with all that defatting and etc there.

    Any simpler techs for collecting the LSA by precipitating it or so in any appropriate solvent and then discard the solvent and keep the LSA - either in its normal form or freebase form ?

    SWIM is thinking there must be something that the LSA is highly soluble in while the toxins are not, and thus be able to extract it with that solvent and then crystallize the LSA hopefully. Of course if there is a way to make the LSA precipitate in the solution while keeping the toxins dissolved so that the LSA could simply be filtered out from the solution leaving the toxins behind would also be of interest.

    SWIM do not know how LSH is compared to LSA when it comes to solubility and freebasing and etc, perhaps converting it to LSH first and then stabalizing the LSH somehow and extracting it could be possible?
     
  13. Shadow !

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    Hey mate, sorry i don't quiet understand.
    How would swim go about this with Shellite as the non-polar & Acetone as the Polar ?

    *Would swim just crush the seeds into a powder.

    *Add just enough shellite ( 50-100ml ) to some hbwr seeds ( 30 ), stir for a few minutes then let sit for 15mins. Defat 3/4 times. Let dry.

    *Add the powder to 50ml's Acetone ( 100% )
    stir for a few minutes then let sit for mins.

    Sorry swims is new with hbwr and cant find to much info with shellite and acetone being used.

    Cheers guys.
     
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