Drug info - LSD Drought Explained!

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  1. Psilocybe S.

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    So what explains the LSD drought? The best explanation is a bust, a really big bust. The DEA claims it reduced the LSD supply by "95 percent" with two arrests in rural Kansas in November 2000. Clyde Apperson and William Leonard Pickard were charged with and eventually convictedof possession and conspiracy to distribute LSD. According to court testimony, the DEA seized the largest operable LSD laboratory in agency history, as well as 91 pounds of LSD and precursor compounds for the potential manufacture of nearly 27 pounds more. If you define a dose of LSD as 100 micrograms, Apperson and Pickard had around 400 million hits in stock. At the more common dosage level of 20 micrograms, the two were sitting on 2 billion hits. Apperson got 30 years in prison, and Pickard got two life sentences. The Kansas bust marked the third time in four years that the DEA had arrested Apperson and Pickard on LSD-related charges.

    The LSD market took an earlier blow in 1995, when Grateful Dead frontman Jerry Garcia died and the band stopped touring. For 30 years, Dead tours were essential in keeping many LSD users and dealers connected, a correlation confirmed by the DEA in a divisional field assessment from the mid-'90s. The spring following Garcia's death (the season in which Monitoring the Future (MTF) surveys are administered), annual LSD use among 12th-graders peaked at 8.8 percent and subsequently began their slide. Phish picked up part of the Dead's fan base—and presumably vestiges of the LSD delivery system. At the end of 2000, Phish took a hiatus from touring as well, and perhaps not coincidentally, the MTF numbers for LSD began to plummet.

    (source: Slate Magazine)

    Damn, that is a whole f**king lot of LSD to get caught with...enough to supply america all together..we need some more guys like this in the LSD market!

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    DEA Field Division Assessments of the illicit LSD market

    Note: Prices have been omitted in accordance with the forum rules.

    Atlanta, GA


    Area of Responsibility: The Atlanta Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Offices (Resident Office's) located in Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Tennessee.

    Summary: The Atlanta Field Division reports that LSD is readily available in most areas of the division and is popular among high school and college age students who use it primarily as a recreational drug. This user group is receptive to the intriguing designs on the paper and the low cost per dosage unit.

    Investigative intelligence indicates that the majority of the LSD transported into the division is supplied by sources located in northern California and Oregon.

    A DEA-sponsored enforcement project designed to gather intelligence on LSD trafficking and use revealed a slight increase in availability of LSD throughout the Atlanta Field Division during periods surrounding the concerts by the Grateful Dead Band. For example, in 1994, the Raleigh Resident Office reported a seizure of 3,000 dosage units of LSD from an individual whose source of supply followed the band from the San Francisco area. This appears to be the normal circumstance surrounding almost all LSD-related incidents in the division.

    The Memphis Resident Office reported the culmination of an LSD investigation in late 1993 that successfully curtailed the supply of LSD in western Tennessee. Since then, however, availability of LSD has been restored, especially in the high schools.

    Although reportedly available in tablet, liquid, and crystal forms, the most widely encountered form of LSD in the division is paper that sells for approximately XXX per dosage unit. Some recently encountered paper designs include the Music Television characters “Beavis and Butthead,” “Birdhead,” “Felix the Cat,” and a sun face, in addition to plain white paper.

    Boston, MA


    Area of Responsibility: The Boston Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont.

    Summary: Within the Boston Field Division, LSD is available in quantities ranging from individual dosage units to multihundred lots. The majority of the LSD encountered is in paper form and is transported into the division via express mail services. Source areas are reported to be in California and New York City.

    Several high schools in Vermont are experiencing a surge of LSD use. LSD also is popular among college students, especially in the Burlington area, which is home to a half dozen universities.

    Drug law enforcement authorities in Maine report that LSD is emerging as a popular drug among students, although it is not generally available in large quantities. Nonetheless, some distributors appear to have developed significant sources for the drug.

    LSD prices range from XXX to XXX per dosage unit wholesale and from XXX to XXX at the retail level. Potency levels consistently range from 30 to 50 micrograms. Brand names for LSD encountered in the division include “Rainbow” and “Superman.” Paper designs include plain yellow or white paper with or without black stars.

    Chicago, IL


    Area of Responsibility: The Chicago Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, North Dakota, and Wisconsin.

    Summary: LSD is available in all areas of the Chicago Field Division and can be obtained in paper or microdot forms in quantities up to 10,000 dosage units. Intelligence indicates that LSD is not manufactured locally, but is shipped from the West Coast, particularly the San Francisco area. The postal service and other parcel delivery services are used for the shipment of LSD consignments into the division.

    LSD has increased in availability in Illinois in recent years. Several forms of LSD have been encountered: microdots (obtained from persons following the Grateful Dead Band tour on the East Coast), paper, and tablet or liquid forms with the brand names “Felix the Cat” and “Beavis and Butthead” and with orange or black sun designs. DuPage and Lake Counties and the North Shore of Chicago have experienced a sharp increase in LSD use by high school students. Surveys in these areas indicate that LSD ranks third, along with cocaine, in order of preference after alcohol and marijuana.

    Drug law enforcement agencies in Indiana report a slight increase in LSD trafficking and abuse in that state after a period of relative stability over the past 5 years.

    Price per dosage unit ranges from XXX in Hammond, Milwaukee, and Springfield, to XXX in Fargo, but generally dosage units sell for XXX each.

    Dallas, TX


    Area of Responsibility: The Dallas Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Amarillo, Fort Worth, Lubbock, Midland, and Tyler, Texas, as well as the State of Oklahoma.

    Summary: Investigative intelligence and population surveys indicate that LSD is popular among white high school and college students and probably is the third most frequently abused drug by youth following marijuana and inhalants.

    LSD continues to gain popularity with youths throughout the region. The drug is brought into the division from California and Houston in multithousand dosage unit lots. Although LSD is most readily available near local colleges, reports of LSD sales to high school and junior high school students are not uncommon.

    While LSD has been reported as selling for from XXX per dosage unit in east Texas, it is most commonly available in the XXX range throughout the division.

    LSD is rising in popularity in Lubbock, Texas, and Oklahoma and is available in 100 dosage unit quantities at XXX per dosage unit. At the retail level, dosage units of LSD sell for XXX each.

    Denver, CO


    Area of Responsibility: The Denver Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, and Wyoming.

    Summary: LSD is readily available in many areas of the division. Sources for LSD in Colorado are located in Boulder and usually have ties to the San Francisco area. California commonly is cited as a source area for LSD available in other areas of the division.

    Drug law enforcement officials in Aspen, Glenwood Springs, and Grand Junction, Colorado, report an increase in LSD availability. The Glenwood Springs Resident Office reports a sharp increase in LSD availability in western Colorado and that it rapidly is becoming a serious abuse problem among teenagers.

    Intelligence from local drug law enforcement agencies reveals that LSD is transported into Colorado by individual distributors in sheets of 100 to 500 dosage units. Adults reportedly are selling significant quantities to juveniles who, in turn, sell it to their peers in individual dosage units. More sophisticated distributors usually sell quantities of from 5 to 100 dosage units per transaction.

    LSD in microdot form has been seized in Palmer Lake, Colorado. The potency of the microdots was determined to be very low, suggesting that the origin of the drugs was a rudimentary LSD conversion laboratory and distributed by a low-level distribution group.

    Drug law enforcement authorities in New Mexico report that LSD is available around the University of New Mexico campus and that the drug is shipped to Albuquerque from the San Francisco area. The State Crime Laboratory in Las Cruces reports a continuing increase in LSD exhibits submitted for analysis. Laboratory analysis reveals potencies to be approximately 60 micrograms per dosage unit.

    A number of drug distribution groups in the Salt Lake City area are believed to be affiliated with the counter-culture groups and LSD trafficking organizations in the San Francisco area.

    LSD frequently is sold in the form of paper, tablets, and window panes. The Pueblo, Colorado, Police Department has encountered sugar cubes laced with LSD. Prices for LSD in the Denver Field Division range from XXX per dosage unit in wholesale quantities and from XXX per dosage unit at the retail level. Potencies consistently range from 40 to 60 micrograms per dosage unit. Designs on paper popular in the Denver metropolitan area include “Loony Toons” and “Elvis.” LSD encountered in Albuquerque has been sold under brand names such as “Strawberry” and “Ying Yang.” Other designs seen in the division include pig going to market, concentric circles, yellow paper with black sun, and the elephant god.

    Detroit, MI


    Area of Responsibility: The Detroit Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Kentucky, Michigan, and Ohio.

    Summary: LSD distribution and use are rising in Kentucky, Michigan, and Ohio, primarily among white teenagers who perceive the drug as relatively safe to use. Investigative intelligence has identified northern California as the source area for the majority of the LSD distributed throughout the division.

    Investigation has revealed that the paper LSD available in the city was being sent via mail services from Arizona and California. The Saginaw Resident Office reports that LSD popularity is rising among high school students in Alpena, Flint, and southwest Saginaw County. The source—believed to be in Lansing—either obtains the drug from a local LSD laboratory or from sources in California. Both paper and microdot tablet forms are available in quantities ranging from 100 to 3,000 dosage units, with wholesale prices of XXX per dosage unit. Single dosage unit prices range between XXX in Saginaw to XXX in outlying areas.

    The Michigan State Police recently has reported that LSD is applied to gourmet mushrooms and sold as psilocybin mushrooms to naive customers. Apparently, these incidents have been isolated to the Michigan State University campus.

    The Columbus Resident Office reports that LSD is available in multithousand dosage unit quantities. Investigations have indicated that LSD is obtained from sources located in Florida. The Cincinnati Resident Office reports that LSD is readily available in southern Ohio and northern Kentucky and is used primarily by teenagers who pay XXX per dosage unit. At higher distribution levels, LSD paper is sold in 100 page books containing 100 dosage units per page, with each page costing approximately XXX. The Toledo Resident Office reports that LSD is shipped into the area via mail services from sources in California and is readily available. Primary users are high school and college students.

    Surveys in Louisville indicate that LSD has replaced cocaine as the third most abused drug among teenagers and young adults after alcohol and marijuana. However, the Lexington Resident Office reports that LSD is only sporadically available.

    Paper is the most dominant form of LSD available at the retail level and typically costs from XXX per dosage unit.

    Houston, TX


    Area of Responsibility: The Houston Field Division is responsible for DEA District Offices (DO’s) and Resident Office's located in Alpine, Austin, Beaumont, Brownsville, Corpus Christi, Eagle Pass, El Paso, Galveston, Laredo, McAllen, and San Antonio, Texas.

    Summary: LSD is the drug of choice for many middle and upper-middle class white youths and is readily available in many high schools and nightclubs throughout the division. In addition, the cities reporting ready availability contain large populations of students attending the many colleges and universities, particularly Austin.

    In Houston, although wholesale quantities are limited, retail amounts of the drug can be obtained easily. Some of the LSD sold in the Houston area is contained on heavy bond paper with designs that appear to have been photocopied. Reports also indicate that LSD in both paper and gelatin forms is available.

    Investigative reporting reveals that a large-scale LSD distribution group is operating in the Austin area with connections to San Antonio. LSD trafficking and abuse appear to be on the rise in Beaumont with the traffic originating from San Francisco sources of supply and transshipped through Houston.

    Single dosage units of LSD cost from XXX each at the retail level while quantities of 1,000, referred to as “books,” are sold for XXX each. Potencies consistently have remained around 50 micrograms per dosage unit.

    Los Angeles, CA


    Area of Responsibility: The Los Angeles Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Riverside, Santa Ana, and Santa Barbara, California, in addition to Hawaii, Nevada, and Guam.

    Summary: LSD and other hallucinogens, particularly MDMA, are popular with students from middle school to college age. Los Angeles serves as an LSD source city for other areas of the country. For example, an individual from Portland, Oregon, was arrested recently at Los Angeles International Airport after purchasing LSD and methamphetamine from traffickers in Los Angeles.

    In Las Vegas, LSD is readily available, with sheets of 100 dosage units selling for as low as XXX. LSD is available in smaller quantities in Reno at XXX per dosage unit. Intelligence indicates that the LSD in Reno is of poor quality and is brought into the area by a small group of distributors. LSD trafficking is not a major drug law enforcement concern in the Reno/Sparks area or in the Tahoe Basin.

    LSD and MDMA are encountered periodically in Honolulu, but usually are distributed in relatively small quantities. The price for individual dosage units of LSD ranges from XXX in Hawaii.

    Miami, FL


    Area of Responsibility: The Miami Field Division is responsible for DEA DO’s and Resident Office's located in Florida, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Country Offices located in The Bahamas, Barbados, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Jamaica.

    Summary: LSD is brought into the Miami Division via express mail services from sources located in California. For example, DEA Orlando special agents arrested an individual at the Orlando International Airport after he took delivery of 5,000 dosage units of LSD that had been shipped by plane from San Francisco. On a previous occasion, this individual had paid the supplier XXX for 3,000 dosage units.

    LSD is readily available in the Gainesville and Tampa areas, particularly at large dance gatherings called “raves.” The Orlando and Jacksonville Resident Office's report an increase in LSD distribution and availability in central and northern Florida. Sources of supply in California and Oregon allegedly are exporting multithousand dosage unit quantities into the area.

    On June 23, 1993, the DEA Orlando Task Force and Orange County Sheriff’s Office seized 46 sheets of LSD containing 46,920 dosage units and arrested the head of the organization that was distributing almost 50,000 dosage units per month in central Florida.

    LSD prices in Miami range from XXX per dosage unit. The drug is slightly more expensive in the northern part of Florida, where dosage units containing 50 to 60 micrograms of LSD sell for XXX each.

    Newark, NJ


    Area of Responsibility: The Newark Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Atlantic City and Camden, New Jersey.

    Summary: LSD is available on a limited basis throughout the Newark Division, although the availability of retail quantities has increased slightly in several northern counties. Young adults and high school students have been and continue to be the predominant users of the drug and many are involved in distribution as well.

    Clandestine laboratories located in California are believed to be the primary sources for LSD available in New Jersey, with drug consignments transshipped through nearby drug source areas that traditionally have supplied New Jersey with other major drugs of abuse. New York City is reported as a source city for LSD available in northern New Jersey and investigations in the southern areas of the state reveal that sources for the drug are located in the Philadelphia area. Ocean County, in the eastern part of the State, consistently reports the ready availability of LSD in a number of beach communities where LSD has been popular for many years.

    LSD prices in New Jersey range from XXX per dosage unit in wholesale quantities and from XXX per dosage unit at the retail level.

    New Orleans, LA


    Area of Responsibility: The New Orleans Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

    Summary: The New Orleans Field Division reports that LSD is readily available at the retail level. Distributors obtain wholesale quantities from sources in California, often in crystal form to be applied to paper locally. Allegedly, LSD has replaced MDMA as the drug of choice among high school and college students and among nightclub habitues. According to a local police laboratory, the size and frequency of LSD exhibits submitted for analysis are increasing. The price per dosage unit of LSD ranges from $1.50 to $5 in the New Orleans area.

    Investigative intelligence indicates that a trafficker in Baton Rouge has access to vials of liquid LSD. Each vial contains enough liquid LSD to produce approximately 3,500 dosage units when applied to paper. The vials allegedly cost XXX each. Reports also indicate that small vials of liquid LSD are sold for XXX and can produce from 120 to 150 dosage units each. At the retail level, LSD is readily available in Baton Rouge. Distributors, often in their late teens, obtain quantities of up to 100 dosage units from acquaintances in Houston or in major cities in California. They commonly purchase “sheets” of 100 dosage units. Prices in Baton Rouge range from XXX per dosage unit.

    An LSD source of supply located in San Francisco who was shipping multithousand dosage unit quantities to distributors in the Jackson, Mississippi, area was convicted and incarcerated recently. His removal from the illicit drug market has curbed the availability of LSD in the area. The Gulfport Post of Duty reports that most of the LSD available on the Gulf Coast of Mississippi is transported into the area from New Orleans in sheets of 100 dosage units that sell for approximately XXX each.

    The Mobile Resident Office reports that LSD availability is sporadic, which is reflected in higher prices in that area than in other parts of the division. Prices in Mobile range from XXXper dosage unit.

    New York City, NY


    Area of Responsibility: The New York Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Albany, Buffalo, Long Island, Rochester, and Syracuse, New York.

    Summary: Both paper and microdot forms of LSD are available in New York City. The availability of LSD in suburban and semi-rural areas of upstate New York is increasing as are arrests for distribution. Potency ranges from 40 to 80 micrograms per dosage unit. Prices at the retail level range from XXX per dosage unit, while wholesale quantities average approximately XXX each when purchased in multithousand lots.

    The availability of hallucinogens—such as LSD, MDMA, and psilocybin mushrooms— has increased recently in the Albany and Buffalo areas. LSD in paper form is becoming more available and its popularity is rising among certain groups. An investigation in Buffalo resulted in the arrest of an individual from Oregon who had sold 10,000 dosage units of paper bearing a “Red Lips” design to an undercover officer. In another case, 5,000 dosage units of LSD were mailed from Portland, Oregon, to an undercover officer in Buffalo; the cost of the shipment was $2,500. During the biannual Grateful Dead concerts, “sham” LSD often is sold on the streets.

    The Syracuse Resident Office reports that the availability of LSD has been steady, with arrests occurring regularly. Both plain white paper and paper with designs are available in Syracuse. Prices range from XXX per dosage unit.

    Philadelphia, PA


    Area of Responsibility: The Philadelphia Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Delaware and Pennsylvania.

    Summary: LSD is distributed in Philadelphia in multihundred dosage unit lots. Occasionally, drug law enforcement authorities seize multithousand dosage unit quantities. LSD is popular throughout the division, particularly in suburban areas and college campuses, and dosage units generally sell for XXX

    LSD availability in the Lehigh Valley area has increased recently, with prices ranging from XXX per dosage unit. In Cumberland County and the Hershey area, LSD has become a major drug of abuse and is believed to originate from sources located in California.

    The Pittsburgh Resident Office reports that minimal amounts of LSD are available; however, the cost per dosage unit is quite low, ranging from XXX each.

    Phoenix, AZ


    Area of Responsibility: The Phoenix Field Division is responsible for a DEA DO in Tucson and Resident Office's located in Nogales, Sierra Vista, and Yuma, Arizona.

    Summary: In the Phoenix Field Division, State and local drug law enforcement authorities consistently encounter retail-level quantities of LSD; however, large numbers of dosage units are seized only occasionally. The hallucinogen is reported as being readily available. LSD is popular with high school and college students throughout the division.

    Paper designs seized in the Phoenix Division include the “Woodstock” bird character, the “Ziggy” character, pyramids with eyes, the fleur-de-lis, and an insect and animal motif. Paper with a peace sign design became highly sought after once it had been identified as highly potent. Laboratory analysis confirmed that this type of paper contained a higher concentration of LSD than other exhibits.

    Prices for LSD in the Phoenix Division have decreased since 1989 when dosage units cost from XXX each. The price has dropped to XXX per dosage unit since that time.

    San Diego, CA


    Area of Responsibility: The San Diego Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Calexico, Carlsbad, and San Ysidro, California.

    Summary: Reports from local police departments indicate that LSD is becoming increasingly available in junior and senior high schools. Although sources of supply are believed to be located in the San Francisco area, specific distribution organizations have not been identified. Nonetheless, in December 1993, the San Francisco Field Division Task Force 3, in cooperation with the San Diego Narcotics Unit, arrested an individual after he delivered 20,000 dosage units of paper LSD with a yellow sunshine face design to a San Diego Police Department informant. Also in December, agents in the Carlsbad Resident Office culminated a 6-month investigation with the arrest of two LSD distributors and the seizure of 7,000 dosage units and drug-related ledgers.

    San Francisco, CA


    Area of Responsibility: The San Francisco Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Fresno, Monterey, Sacramento, and San Jose, California.

    Summary: LSD—in gram quantities of crystal or liquid forms and in paper form—is available throughout the San Francisco Bay area and northern California. Its popularity is highest among high school or junior high school and university students.

    Investigative intelligence indicates that the majority of the LSD distributed throughout the United States originates from sources located in the San Francisco Field Division, primarily in Marin and Sonoma Counties and the city of Berkeley. No LSD manufacturing laboratory has been seized recently by drug law enforcement authorities. However, it is suspected that the majority of the LSD-related activity occurs at simple conversion laboratories, where the liquid LSD is applied to various types of paper.

    San Francisco’s Haight-Ashbury district is the primary distribution center for wholesale and street-level retail quantities of the drug. The Telegraph Avenue area of Berkeley is a secondary distribution site. LSD and heroin have been encountered in combination in these two locations.

    In December 1993, DEA special agents arrested a multigram LSD distributor in Golden Gate Park, near Haight Street, with approximately 20,000 dosage units of LSD in paper form. The subject had been arrested on two previous occasions in the same location for LSD distribution violations.

    The arrests of LSD traffickers in the San Francisco area have had little impact on the availability of LSD at the lower levels of the traffic. However, distributors require more time to obtain larger quantities of the drug.

    It has been reported that heroin addicts sell LSD or act as runners for larger LSD distribution operations in order to help support their habits.

    LSD exhibits in paper form seized in the San Francisco Division consistently contain approximately 50 micrograms each. Seizures of gram quantities of LSD crystal typically have a purity of approximately 60 percent.

    Seattle, WA


    Area of Responsibility: The Seattle Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, and Washington.

    Summary: The availability of LSD in the Seattle Division is limited. However, drug law enforcement reports indicate that Oregon is considered a major source area for LSD. In addition, drug law enforcement authorities in Montana, where LSD availability and use have increased slightly, cite sources for LSD in Boulder, Colorado, who have ties to the San Francisco area. The drug usually is sold in quantities no larger than 100 dosage unit sheets for XXX per sheet. Individual dosage units sell for XXX each. The crystal form of LSD, when available, costs from XXX per gram.

    St. Louis, MO


    Area of Responsibility: The St. Louis Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Illinois, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska, and South Dakota.

    Summary: LSD is reported by drug law enforcement agencies to be available throughout the division on a limited basis. In St. Louis, LSD appears to be gaining in popularity among white high school seniors and recent graduates in the more affluent areas.

    Drug law enforcement authorities in Iowa report that LSD distribution has increased lately, with the paper form available in quantities of up to 1,000 dosage units.

    The Sioux Falls Resident Office also reports increased availability of LSD in South Dakota. Prices are high at XXX per dosage unit with purity averaging 40 micrograms.

    LSD in paper form is sparsely available in Nebraska, according to reports from the Omaha RO, although prices are relatively low at XXX per dosage unit or less for large quantities.

    LSD in paper form is available in Kansas City. Prices range from XXX per dosage unit with price reductions given for purchases of 100 dosage unit lots.

    The St. Louis Division reports increased distribution of LSD among high school students and recent graduates.

    The paper form of LSD is most prevalent with potency in the 40 to 50 microgram range; however, the potencies of recent undercover purchases have been as low as 21 micrograms. Papers with the “Beavis and Butthead,” “Felix the Cat,” and “Stars and Stripes” designs have been seized recently in St. Louis.

    Washington DC


    Area of Responsibility: The Washington Field Division is responsible for DEA Resident Office's located in Maryland, Virginia, and West Virginia.

    Summary: Drug law enforcement authorities report that LSD is readily available in many areas of the Washington Division, primarily in major cities and universities. Prices range from XXX per dosage unit at the retail level and from XXX for a sheet of 100 dosage units. Paper designs encountered in the division include “Felix the Cat” and “Orange Sunshine.”
     
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  2. str8ballin

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    The reason for the drought is because ecstacy is cheaper to make and the chemicals are more accessible than for LSD. Also they make more money off ecstasy.

    Back in the day when acid was going around, college chemists stole supplies and chemicals to make their own. Now they keep a lock on all that shit.

    There are online vendors who deal with LSD but the thing is they are from overseas and it's thats a big risk to take.

    Damn, I wish I had a sugar cube right now!
     
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  3. searcher

    searcher Gold Member

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    I think it is because the market isn't there. Why make drugs you can't sell? I think the majority of people just don't want drugs the way they did a while ago.

    LSD = bad
     
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  4. sands of time

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    If kids wanna trip, they take shrooms. Acid will hafto compete. I know acid is better, but acid has in many cases messed people up. People feel safer taking shrooms. So... people still want acid, but its not as profitable to sell acid. E is much more profitable. New synthetic stuff has also been coming out within the last 5 years to sort of fill the gap for acid.
     
  5. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    Can someone please explain why ecstasy would be cheaper to make, when the dose is 1000 times higher? I do see that many people would pop several E's a week, while very few would do the same with lsd. Thus the market is bigger. But then again if I look at how many people are looking for acid nowadays, there sure is a market there.
     
  6. Sduibek

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    Just goes to show.. if people would just read the articles they'd understand what's going on. ;)



    Like anyone, i'm bummed about the bust, but the amount of misinformation floating around about it annoys me.



    (for evidence of that, view the first few responses in this thread... lol. Even though the DEA obviously reduced the amount of acid in the market because of a HUGE bust.. people still believe stupid shit for "why there's no acid anymore".. whatever. that's humans for ya ;)
     
  7. Kemikaru_Tenshu

    Kemikaru_Tenshu Platinum Member

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    Alfa,


    As far as price per dose, the manufacture of LSD is cheaper for the reason you stated. This is once the lab is operational. Where the large difference comes in is that the manufacture of LSD requires quite a bit of higher-end equipment. Also, as I'm sure you know, the manufacture of LSD is significantly more difficult than that of MDMA. When the cost of the extraneous factors (education, equipment acquisition, precursor acquisition etc.)are brought into account, LSD is quite a bit more expensive to BEGIN manufacturing.


    ~KT
     
  8. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    So it's easier and cheaper to set up an xtc lab than an LSD lab. I always figured since one can grow claviceps mycelium be oneself, a big part of production costs could be cut. Thanks.
     
  9. Thegreatone

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    lsd is slowely coming back around but do to that bust the prices are double and will never be the same as they used to be.
     
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    and that shit aboyut the dead and phish is so true the whole network(99%) in the us is hippies running the drug from show to show festivel to festivel.
     
  11. OneDiaDem

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    Heres the whole article. Its also extremely difficult to make, very few people who actually can do it left.

    Who's Got the Acid?

    These days, almost nobody.

    [​IMG]Researchers at the University of Michigan started tracking the illicit drug habits of America's high-schoolers in 1975. Despite the inherent difficulty of conducting such surveys—kids are excellent liars and exaggerators—the Michigan team has established "Monitoring the Future" (MTF) as the most reliable guide to drug-use trends in the United States.


    MTF has documented the rise and decline of many drugs, but lead researcher Dr. Lloyd Johnston says the group has never seen such a dramatic drop in the use of an established illicit drug as they're seeing now with LSD. In both the 2000 and 2001 surveys, 6.6 percent of high-school seniors reported that they'd used LSD in the previous year. In 2002, the figure dropped to 3.5 percent. And in the most recent survey, from 2003, only 1.9 percent of high-school seniors claim to have dropped acid. (The standard error for this LSD survey is 0.25 percentage points.)

    Evidence of acid's decline can be found practically everywhere you look: in the number of emergency room mentions of the drug; in an ongoing federal survey of drug use; in a huge drop in federal arrests; and in anecdotal reports from the field that the once ubiquitous psychedelic is exceedingly difficult to score. In major cities and college towns where LSD was once plentiful, it can't be had at all.

    University of Maryland professor Peter Reuter, a leading drug-policy expert, is flabbergasted by the new LSD data.

    "We have literally never seen anything like this," Reuter says. "This isn't a trend. This is an event."

    Obviously, the LSD market isn't as easy to understand as, say, the coffee bean market because criminal sanctions against LSD's manufacture, sale, possession, and use drive most of the useful data underground. But while our knowledge of the LSD market may be imperfect, a variety of available yardsticks, such as the MTF survey, give us some sense of its workings.

    For instance, data from the federal Drug Abuse Warning Network, which charts emergency room data in 21 major cities, second MTF's LSD surveys. DAWN, run by the Department of Health and Human Services, isn't a scientific survey: It merely records the "mentions" of drugs by patients entering emergency rooms. (For instance, if you visited the ER with a broken finger, and they asked if you were on drugs, and you said, "Yes, LSD," you'd go down as an LSD mention, even if you were fibbing. If you answered, "Yes, LSD and pot," they'd record both drug mentions.) But DAWN data is still a good rough measure of drug use. Between 1995 and 2000, LSD mentions remained relatively stable, hovering around 2,500 during each six-month period. But in the second half of 2001, DAWN's LSD mentions dropped below 1,000 for the first time. In the next six-month period, mentions fell below 500.

    DAWN Project Director Dr. Judy Ball says what's unique about the LSD findings is that they show a consistent decline in every metropolitan area measured, not just common regional fluctuations.

    Another HHS initiative started surveying LSD use in the general population in 1965. It now does business as the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, and the most recent results register a decline among 18- to 25-year-olds who say they have ever used the drug (16.6 percent to 15.9 percent). In the 12 to 17 range, use fell from 3.3 percent to 2.7 percent. NSDUH changed its methodology for the most recent survey in such a way that had LSD use stayed constant, the survey should have shown an uptick in use. This means the decline in LSD use is greater than the NSDUH numbers reflect.

    Nobody collects national arrest data for LSD cases, but federal arrests for LSD trafficking and possession have tumbled in recent years. The Drug Enforcement Administration recorded 203 arrests in FY2000, 95 in FY2001, 41 in FY2002, and 19 in FY2003. In the first quarter of 2004, the feds have arrested only three people on LSD charges. In the LSD haven of San Francisco, the DEA recorded 20 arrests in 2000 versus zero in 2002, according to DEA Special Agent Richard Meyer of the agency's San Francisco office.

    One possible explanation for the decline could be changed attitudes about LSD. But MTF's Johnston says a shift in drug habits is "generally explainable by the disapproval or risk data, but in this case we didn't have that." Indeed, the perceived risk and disapproval rates for LSD among the MTF population have dropped steadily since 1975.

    So what explains the LSD drought? The best explanation is a bust, a really big bust. The DEA claims it reduced the LSD supply by "95 percent" with two arrests in rural Kansas in November 2000. Clyde Apperson and William Leonard Pickard were charged with and eventually convicted of possession and conspiracy to distribute LSD. According to court testimony, the DEA seized the largest operable LSD laboratory in agency history, as well as 91 pounds of LSD and precursor compounds for the potential manufacture of nearly 27 pounds more. If you define a dose of LSD as 100 micrograms, Apperson and Pickard had around 400 million hits in stock. At the more common dosage level of 20 micrograms, the two were sitting on 2 billion hits. Apperson got 30 years in prison, and Pickard got two life sentences. The Kansas bust marked the third time in four years that the DEA had arrested Apperson and Pickard on LSD lab charges.

    The LSD market took an earlier blow in 1995, when Grateful Dead frontman Jerry Garcia died and the band stopped touring. For 30 years, Dead tours were essential in keeping many LSD users and dealers connected, a correlation confirmed by the DEA in a divisional field assessment from the mid-'90s. The spring following Garcia's death (the season the MTF surveys are administered), annual LSD use among 12th-graders peaked at 8.8 percent and began their slide. Phish picked up part of the Dead's fan base—and presumably vestiges of the LSD delivery system. At the end of 2000, Phish stopped touring as well, and perhaps not coincidentally, the MTF numbers for LSD began to plummet.

    Where have all the acid-eaters gone? MTF records a stable interest in "hallucinogens other than LSD"—the hallucinogen usually being psychoactive mushrooms—since the 2000 decline of acid. DAWN shows the same trend under the "miscellaneous hallucinogens" category. (Over the same period, use of both ecstasy and methamphetamine dropped in the MTF survey.) In other words, the decline in LSD use doesn't look like a demand-side phenomena: The cultural hunger for a substance that lets you hold affordable conversations with God, watch walls melt, breathe colors, and explore your psyche remains unsated.

    When declining supply intersects with unchanged demand, an increase in price usually occurs—this seems to be the case with LSD. While the DEA does not release price information for LSD, many acid aficionados say its once-steady price of $5 a hit now ranges as high as $20, and that's when the drug is available. Another market change: In 1995, one could easily purchase several sheets of 100 hits at selected rock concerts, but buying more than 10 doses at a time today is difficult.

    Historically, illicit LSD production has been dominated by just a few operators, so if Apperson and Pickard were the United States' major LSD suppliers, taking them down may well have caused this major disruption. They won't be easily replaced. Synthesizing LSD is much more difficult than brewing methamphetamine, PCP, or even ecstasy. Also, LSD manufacture demands precision chemistry and difficult-to-obtain precursor chemicals that these other drugs don't.

    How permanent is the acid drought? The history of drug prohibition indicates that the government can upset supply and demand at the margins. It can drive one drug into scarcity only to see users substitute it with another. But it never eliminates the market for drugs altogether. As the drug war enters its second century, LSD appears to be in retreat. But never bet against a comeback.

    Ryan Grim
    Slate Magazine
    April 1st 2004
    Original source (no longer viewable): http://slate.msn.com/id/2098109

    *Prices left in as OK as part of an article with a listed source*
     

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  12. Bodhisattva500

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    yeah I had read about the dea bust so i knew that acid was almost completley wiped out.


    But I had also heard that bands like the dead and phish pushed alot of acid. I thought i could get some and i told my friends"if i cant get acid at the dead show ther is something wrong with world." My expectations seemed right when i was setting up the tent and some guy asked my if i wanted to buy some acid. I was stoked and bought a few hits off of him. I dropped and it adn didnt feel shit. Sure enough it was fake and i was super bummed out. I should have listened to my old hippie friend who told me to buy of the guy with the dirtiest hairr and feet. Well it was kind of symbolic because i went to my glove box and moved onto the next big drug scene by taking some 2ct2. I ended up having a good night but decided that acid was done for until someone seriously picks up the slack
     
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    LSD isn't being sold, because everybody's trying to be greedy. LSD and Greed don't mix, therefore it becomes unappealing for dealers.
     
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    LSD synthesis was much harder back in the day, but with new precursors like ergocristine, it will be much more available in your area, if it isn't already. ;)
     
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    This thread is ancient... But might as well revive this. There's a Vice documentary on YouTube about this now, it's called Underground LSD Palace. Wonder if anyone who posted on this thread still goes on their account?
     
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    That documentary is terrible :/ it'll barely give you a rough sketch of what was going on. That girl is a rat and a liar. If you want to know more of the truth you need to look into the court transcripts from the trial.

    Kman1898 added 4 Minutes and 49 Seconds later...

    Also Pickard was a big time snitch whom had snitched on the grateful dead fluff family in the '90s and when he got popped all the families shut down shop for a few years. But Donnie Shackelford was just getting started in '03 on producing LSD before he was busted in 2005.
     
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    Well I see two reasons for this:

    1.) Skill-sets
    2.) Risk vs Reward

    Firstly, skill-sets isn't just the factor. Skills and "access" or "business viability" are two huge factors in this world. The cost of creating the lab to produce this, the ability for the select few to do it, and the required agents/precursors to accomplish this drug are just not ... how do we say ... easy?

    Ergotamine tartrate requires an act of god to get. People are on to that method. That's just one thing I randomly spit out that is a part of your laundry list. That's all there is to it. While other things are available to use at this point, they are all still heavily regulated and controlled. The only way now is to work out a business acquisition through mainland China. At this point, these things are already reaching a level of complication that most nerdy chemists don't want to touch.

    "Nerdy" is said for a reason. Not very many people have the skill set to complete the multi-layered, long, and complicated chemistry involved in LSD production. It takes a well-accomplished chemist. Not just a day-trade nerd with drug knowledge. It can be pulled off, but the idea of it is still there that this thing is not worth it if you can't take horribly expensive precursors and synthesize it into the goldmine that exceeds the risk of the life sentences.

    Last thing I said was mentioned: risk vs reward. Would you really want to risk this with that many operators in the DEA constantly trying to pin you? Let's consider the dosage amount and what you'd yield in creation... you are going to rot in jail just from a batch alone... likely a bachelors/masters chemistry/engineering student... now rotting in jail because you were intent on synthesizing this drug. It was a test of your skills that resulted in your life thrown away... and who else is going to replace that person? Another off-the-deep-end college grad pissed at the government and the world? They do exist, yet not often like the crank-mills we have floating here and there each day being operated by some tweakers with good internet surfing abilities and reading comprehension skills in some nasty apartment complex. These operations will take space, time, and ability, which aren't done in a fly by night sense.

    Not worth it. Yet so worth it. The people keeping real LSD going are just doing it because they feel they can. I don't see it being a viable extension of a gang operation. Not like other drugs. You can't tell a crime boss to float you a business-loan sized investment to get you off the ground and need a bunch of pharma-grade headache pills out of China. You'd get laughed at. This is a maverick's drug now done by people with the prior access already available. If you are making it, you are doing it for YOU. Not really for the money or for an organized crime group... it is for the man with no plan... without a real business-man's motivation, the black market peddling suddenly becomes difficult to vindicate.

    Of course, there are other methods to make it now and people are finding simpler TEKs with far less danger involved... so you never know! Things may shift overnight. As it sits currently, it doesn't seem like something a person is motivated to get into on the money side.
     
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    LSD is very easy to get online if you're willing to use the darknet.

    The stealth with many of these vendors is fantastic.

    Buying LSD online is very safe because it's just a small strip of paper. Very easy to get past customs in a regular envelope.
     
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    One of the most common myths I hear about LSD synthesis is that it requires pure ergotamine tartrate as a starting material. Now, for a commercially feasible operation on a large scale, obtaining ergotamine tartrate in bulk may well be the way to go, but it isn't necessary as a starting material.

    Very high purity d-LSD can be synthesized from a crude mixture of ergot alkaloids with some flasks, a hotplate/stirrer and a chromatography column of silica or alumina. The reagents required include hydrazine, sodium nitrite, HCl and diethylamine. Solvent (ether, I think) is also required.

    The synthesis of LSD does not, by any stretch of the imagination, involve "multi-layered, long, and complicated chemistry."
    I responded to some others who posted a long time ago in this thread, so I will repeat myself below, but the synthesis of LSD is not anywhere near as complicated as many seem to think it is. High purity LSD can be synthesized from a crude mixture of ergot alkaloids in a three step process with a few basic pieces of glassware.

    Okay, maybe you could say the process is "long" simply because at least one of the reaction involves stirring overnight or for 24 hours or something like that, but it's not a lengthy process because it involves a great deal of steps. It's lengthy simply because at least one of the reactions takes about a day to proceed as far as it will go.

    I'm still going to add the rest of my response(s) so I will repeat myself once more: it's tiring to see so many people commenting on the synthesis of LSD when they clearly do not understand it.

    The rest below:


    To sands of time:

    Compared to shrooms? I totally disagree. It would be FAR more profitable to synthesize and sell LSD than it would be to grow and sell mushrooms.

    To Kemikaru Tenshu

    This is complete and utter nonsense. Read the original patent to Sandoz and you should understand that LSD can be synthesized with nothing more complicated than a hotplate/stirrer, some flasks and a chromatography column filled with alumina or silica. LSD can be synthesized without any "higher-end equipment" whatsoever. I don't think you know what you're talking about, so please tell me what kind of "higher-end equipment" you think is needed to synthesize LSD.

    This is also complete and utter gibberish. The synthesis of LSD from ergot (yes, from ergot the fungus, not from pure ergotamine) is easier than synthesizing MDMA from safrole. People seem to love to believe that LSD is extremely difficult to make, requires thousands of dollars in lab equipment, requires pure ergotamine and a PhD in chemistry but none of those are true. I think the difficult steps would be acquiring hydrazine or phosphorous oxychloride and diethylamine, but it is not "significantly more difficult" to synthesize than MDMA.

    I think the synthesis of MDMA is more complicated than that of LSD from ergot alkaloids. You could argue that they're comparable.

    I really wish people who clearly don't know anything about chemistry wouldn't try commenting on the difficulty of various drug syntheses.

    Another users quoted an article from Slate Magazine, an article written by Ryan Grim, claiming "synthesizing LSD is much more difficult than brewing methamphetamine, PCP, or even ecstacy." I would say that some methamphetamine syntheses are easier than synthesizing LSD, but not all: some are more difficult. In my opinion, synthesizing PCP would be roughly the same difficulty as LSD, but MDMA is more difficult.

    An LSD synthesis from a crude mixture of ergot alkaloids is basically a three step process. The actual synthesis itself is not anything close to difficult. It involves simple lab material and only a few reagents. If I had a simple lab set up and the few solvents and reagents required, I could show someone with no chemistry experience how to synthesize LSD in one day.

    To MegaLab420

    This is also complete and utter bullshit. What advantage is there to starting with something like ergocristine. High purity can be synthesized from a crude mixture of ergot alkaloids. If you actually knew anything about the chemistry of LSD, then you'd know this because of how hydrazine chops up ergot alkaloids.
     
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