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Injecting - Lump on arm

Discussion in 'Heroin' started by kettering, Oct 25, 2009.

  1. kettering

    kettering

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    SWIM managed to get himself a lump on the vein on the back of the forearm. He tends to go in there backwards, against the flow, he's been advised against it but says it's easier. Anyway, presumably when fuckered at some point he missed a bit possibly (but doesn't remember that happening at all) and has had a lump under the skin about halfway down the forearm for about a fortnight, maybe more, maybe three weeks now.

    No pain, no redness, no swelling, no nothing. But one can feel it if you run your hand there. SWIM has seen the nurse at the drug clinic place he goes to, who said see a doctor at some point, no desperate rush unless something happens with it. Obviously SWIM ought to do that, though he's hesistant to tell the NHS how he got it.

    He was wondering if anyone else had found themselves with anything like this. Also he was telling me he had a friend that used to drain abscesses himself at home, and although this isn't an abscess at this point, was considering trying to drain the lump himself.
     
  2. missparkles

    missparkles Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Sounds like a little bit of the OPs last hit missed.
    If this lump becomes red, sore or hot to the touch see the doc/nurse asap, it could be an abscess.
    However after this amount of time it will possibly be ok, and will gradually disappear on it's own.
    If this happens in the future, just massage the lump very lightly, not roughly, straight after injecting. Sparkles found when she's missed a hit, and she's sure it's not an abscess, just gentle rubbing in a circle, over and around the lump can also help.
    Usually any blood (which it possibly is) will be absorbed over time. But if you're worried, don't hesitate to check it out.
    Again, as the OP has already mentioned injecting against the flow of blood is not the best idea, perhaps taking a little more time, or a different injecting site, will make it easier to inject forwards, or along with the flow of blood, as opposed to backwards and against it.
    It has been mentioned, in another post , that you can stick a needle in the lump and drain it yourself. I'd just like to point out that this is never an option, the only person who should attempt that (if it's necessary) is a doctor or nurse.
    Sticking anything in any lump could introduce infection, so never, ever, do this.
    Take care and be safe.
    Sparkles.:vibes:
     
  3. kettering

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    Cheers, again. x
     
  4. Helene

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    Swim's had all sorts of weird little lumps and bumps over the years. Years of injecting causes scar tissue to form, veins become thrombosed and sclerosed, all this results in odd lumpy bits. As the Sparkly one said, just keep an eye on it. As long as it doesn't start showing any of the signs of infection (red, sore, hot to the touch, you get a fever etc) it's probably not worth worrying too much about it. But do keep half an eye on it, yeh?

    Swim has noticed when using that vein in the back of her arm, the one that you describe, she more often ends up with little lumps and bumps. Not sure why this is, the flesh seems to be slightly tougher there, and more prone to scar-tissue formation.

    Swim also finds it really hard to get that vein whilst pointing the pin the right direction (i.e. towards your heart). It is fucking tricky, and to be perfectly honest, she's not found a way round it yet. All swim makes sure is that she injects slower than usual, to compensate for the fact that she is injecting against the flow.

    Good luck with it all,

    H
     
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  5. missparkles

    missparkles Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Helene has just reminded me of another thing.
    When you try to inject into a very small vein, say on the back of the hand it has to be done a lot slower than when injecting into a larger one, the inside of the elbow, for example.
    So basically, if the substance injected is greater than the blood flow the vein can take, it will just stretch the vein (blown vein), hence a lump.
    That's happened to Sparkles on occasion.
    Hope this helps?
    Sparkles.:vibes:
     
  6. Birkill

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    I think every swimer has had the odd lump and bump at some point i know my turkey has and yea injecting slow should be the done thing whereva your iv`ing just in case it comes out. If swiy is having trouble shooting in the right direction he should find a friend who knows what he`s doing although sometimes a friend is a complete knitwhit at shooting or cant feel propely when the hits come out! Swim has a friend that just cant get him self and swim just watches him geting angryer and bloodyier till swim just says for fucks sake give it here ya tit!
     
  7. east_of_eden

    east_of_eden Titanium Member

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    swim hates these "problems" that come up. swim tried to hit in the inside of her finger (palm up) and it swelled up REALLY badly to the point where it's been 8 days now and the swelling has gone down, but she can't feel the tip of her pinky finger.

    swim can barely type because of it (so she's having me type this for her).

    also, the second finger over, the ring finger wont straighten out without her holding it straight, it's kind of hunched over and the same thing happened years ago to the ring finger on the other hand and it's never straightened out properly.

    but when this happened on the other hand years ago, she doesn't remember not being able to feel anything in her fingertip and it's really stressing her out.

    she feels like she might have to have an operation on her hands, maybe she did something to the tendons or ... who knows, but it's scaring her.
     
  8. Ill~Will

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    Swim has noticed this when he misses a little, takes a few days to go away.
     
  9. MsBrownstone

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    Be REALLY, REALLY careful when using the little veins in your fingers, Sway can't remember but someone posted a story not too long ago about how they missed a shot in their finger and really damaged it permanently. If you don't absolutely HAVE to use them, its best to stay away from them. If it doesn't get better, definately go and get it checked out by a doctor or something.

    MsBrownstone added 2 Minutes and 51 Seconds later...

    Ooops, Sway just realized that SWIeastofeden's finger had already been messed up for eight days.. Definately get it checked out, a normal miss should have been pretty much cleared up by now. Fingers aren't something to play around with, you'll really miss it if things take a turn for the worse.
     
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  10. Ellious

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    SWIM shot up H and also got a lump.
    The difference is that it was more painful to the touch the first two days but now it isn't very painful at all, although it is higher, more inflamed. It is hardly red and SWIM doesn't even notice it aside from how noticeably raised it is. SWIM shot up four days ago and this is the longest any lump has lasted, as all the others were just missed veins. Is this anything SWIM should be concerned about?
     
  11. Woody.Brown

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    It's possible that your lump could be a fibrosis (scar tissue of the vein which forms when swiy injects at the same place over and over again - in the future swiy could try rotating as much as possible)
    Swim has loads of lumps and bumps at old and current iv sites and like swiy had a pain-free small lump in the crook of left arm. This lump sat there causing no problems for a long time and then suddenly with no apparent reason (swim had stopped using that site a while ago due to excessive vein damage so there was no obvious trigger), it started to get bigger and harder. Within a couple of weeks the small lump had turned into an internal abscess, approx 3 Inches in diameter. It was red, hot, swollen, the skin was stretching and peeling off (due to it being on the inside) and the pain was immense. It took 3 courses of strong antibiotics, plus draining - by a doctor! for the infection to go and even now, 6 months later, swim still has a hard red scar as a reminder.
    The only reason Swim bores swiy with this story is to reiterate how important it is to keep an eye on seemingly harmless knobbly bits. Swim was warned by health professionals that she wasn't far off from having to have surgery.
    I'd recommend that swiy regulary checks all old and current sites and if any changes are noticed, inform drugs worker or nurse as soon as poss. Quite often, because these things are on the inside, they can remain undetected and unfortunately the later it's discovered the harder it is to treat.
    Stay well, stay safe..
    Woody x
     
  12. HoneyBeliever

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    Please take this to heart. I got my first infection from IV use six days ago. I was just about ready to suck it up and go to the hospital when I read online that honey has been used as a natural antibiotic for thousands of years. Up until this point I have not been able to squeeze any puss out of the infection, except for a tiny amount that came out after I punctured the big lump on my arm with a needle.

    I put a glob of natural, unprocessed, honey on the infection and put a large dressing over it. Approximately five hours later, I took the bandage off, expecting a great deal of the huge glob of honey to still be there. I found that the honey had completely absorbed into my skin, and the wound had changed shape. I began squeezing the mound of skin that was protruding from my arm, and the puss flowed like a river. I stood there squeezing the wound for at least 20 minutes, with constant flow. It was unbelievable.

    If you ever have an infection from IV use, please try this. It may have saved my arm and my life. Please pass this on.

    HoneyBeliever added 67 Minutes and 51 Seconds later...

    There is one other thing that I was not clear about. I stated in my earlier post that I had pushed a needle into the growth on my arm to try and get some of the infection out before I administered the honey. The holes from my doing that may have been the only reason that the infection flowed out so easily.

    HoneyBeliever added 131 Minutes and 43 Seconds later...

    I am writing this as it happens, so here is the latest update. After a collective hour of squeezing the infection site (some of the puss was so thick that I had to pull it out with a Kleenex between my fingers), I have a big hole in the site where I injected. Because of that big hole, I am skeptical as to how much the honey had to do with catalyzing the drainage. Also to be noted, I took a shower right before I took the bandage off the first time, but I seriously doubt that that had anything to do with the drainage starting.
     
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  13. johawkjones

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    I had a party last Thursday and we all were injecting speed and being ripped out of my mind I missed a little and could feel it so I stopped re-inserted and finished the hit. Well now 4 days later I have a huge bubble at the injection site which is hard and has been causing a little bit of pain. I am so frightened and to think I quit using opiates 3 weeks ago and I only blasted those rid's because I was drunk. What should I do and I am too scared to see a doctor. Please help someone!
     
  14. OpiLuvnOldLady

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    First the old broad wanted me to let you know that we don't self incriminate here. None of us that write here ever do anything illegal. We only write about the antics of our drug addicted pets or friends. So please double check the rules on posting.

    On to the answers... She's guessing that the substance in question was Ritalin since there's a reference to rid's and speed. So it seems that it's tablets that are being dealt with.

    First, is the lump starting to become warm/hot to the touch? Is it red and inflamed? These are the things that are important. If so, hate to say it, but it sounds like the beginning of abscess. And that's something that should be handled by a medical professional.

    If it's just a lump and is not real tender and showing the above signs of infection, then one could probably get away with warm compresses and gentle massage. Ideally on the warmer side of warm, but NOT hot. With the warm compress on gently massage the area in a circular motion for about 15 mins or so per session. And these sessions should be done (this is a guess) at least 4 times per day.

    When the old broad was still shooting on a regular basis, and if she had a miss like that, she'd do them about once every 1-2 hours until it seemed to be resolving on it's own.

    But please, watch for signs of infection cause that can be dangerous.
     
  15. johawkjones

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    Thanks and I did not mean to self incriminate I just was scared.
     
  16. OpiLuvnOldLady

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    It's fine. The old broad just wanted to make sure that people are able to keep posting and not ending up with a lot of negative rep or infractions.
     
  17. kahlesucks

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    Swim did something reckless. She was impatient and decided to inject methadone in a vein on the front of the foot. Basically the ankle, but on top where your calf connects to the foot. No blood registered but when the needle was removed much blood came out, leading swim to believe it was indeed a vein. Swim decided to try injecting slowly to see if the area would swell or burn at all and it didn't. In fact everything seemed to go just fine. However 8 hours later the area is quite sore to the touch and is red (very very slightly) and the ankle has become swollen. Nothing is "extreme" per say. However Swim is very concerned to be experiencing redness, swelling, and pain so many hours after injecting. The area is warm but honestly nothing noticeable unless swim wasn't obsessing over the matter so much. Swim's swelling is minor but socks leave small indentation marks. Swims other concern is the pain is not in the area of injection it is actually on top on the foot in the middle. Is this an abscess? Swim has had irritations before but they occur immediately after injections and go away within 1 day maximum. Swim has never experienced pain and swelling so much later when initially everything seemed perfect. Swim is terrified to go to the dr as swim does has marks on arms and also has a child. Please help swim with advice, as she is feeling very scared and disappointed in herself.
     
  18. Ellious

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    Swiy probably didn't have an abscess, although swim hasn't heard of anything like that before. Swiy might have torn a vein or damaged a tendon. Has swiy used the ankle before, and how is swiy's condition now?
     
  19. skiddy

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    If u had missed the vein a little bit it would be a Skin Pop method like others said if no problems arise you sould be fine. possible a little pain
     
  20. gabbadave

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    SWIM has also got these lumps(amphetamine), no swelling,redness or pain and is sceptical about scar tissue as the injection sites have only been used once or twice!

    SWIM used to use one site on arm for many years with no problem. After moving house to a new area this was no longer possible (hole in arm) Now veins seem to vanish or get small lumps in them with minimul use.

    Could it be due to substances used for cutting? Or maybe just body taking its toll?