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TEK - Making Basic Kratom Extracts

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by ianzombie, Apr 5, 2011.

  1. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    This is just a simple method for making a basic Kratom extract using water.
    A lot of people already come close to the final product by making Kratom tea, this is just a few extra steps that can be added to turn Kratom leaf/powder into a Resin extract which can then be used as is or ground into a powder.

    Many people find the taste of dried Kratom leaf to be too much to take, others don't want to have to ingest so much material.
    The Dr finds the taste of the powdered Kratom resin to be a lot easier to deal with and having a lot less material to consume is always a benefit.

    While it is a very basic method, there are still a lot of people who ask how to make Kratom resin and people who prefer to use extracts over leaf so this method might be of use to them.

    Some people don't like taking the time to make Kratom tea every time they want to use some, so if they wanted they could take a couple of hours to make a batch of resin or powder that can then be stored and used as needed.

    For this project he used 200 grams of very fresh Green Malaysian Kratom which had already been ground into a very fine powder and contained no stems or veins.

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    Having the Kratom powdered as finely as possible will make it easier for the alkaloids to be extracted, but this method works just as well with crushed leaves.

    The Kratom is measured out and put into a cooking pot. When working with large amounts make sure to use a big enough pot so that enough water can be added.

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    Before turning the heat on the Dr stirs the Kratom into the water until it is all completely saturated. Sometimes the Kratom can end up floating around or sticking to the bottom in big lumps that don't mix enough with the water and the heat can burn it.

    Once the Kratom seems to have been mixed in well you can add the juice of a lemon or a lime which will help to extract the alkaloids. The Dr does 2 boils so he adds the juice of half a lime to each boil.
    Even when making Kratom tea the Dr finds that using some lime juice makes a noticeable difference to the strength of the tea.
    Lime juice is a lot easier on the Dr's stomach than Lemon so thats what he always uses.

    As the extract is going to be boiled right down the Lemon or Lime juice will be evaporated anyway so its not going to make too much of a difference to the taste.

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    Now the nest step is to get the water boiling so that it and the juice can work its magic.
    The Dr turns the heat right up until the water starts to boil and then he turns it down slightly, not because he is worried about destroying any alkaloids but because you can really make a mess of a kitchen with an over pouring pot of kratom.

    As far as he is aware the temperature does not pose any risk to the alkaloids and this is how he has always done things. If you are worried then you can always simmer the mix, maybe just give it some extra time in that case.

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    Keep an eye on the pot at this stage, the water will often rise leaving the kratom powder covering the edges and when the water drops it can start to burn.

    The Dr does not measure out a specific amount of water, he just pours in enough to half fill the pot. Once the Kratom has enough to cover it maybe twice that is plenty. At a guess maybe 2 pints of water were used.

    After letting the kratom water boil for 20 - 30 minutes you can take the pot off the heat and get ready to strain it.

    The Dr pours the contents of the pot into a jug that has a pouring lip. You can let it settle and cool if you want or strain it straight away.
    The Dr likes to strain through a muslin bag, this way most of the powder is kept in the bag and only the liquid passes through. He puts his bag into a pint glass which collects the Tea.

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    The water will be very hot now so don't go burning yourself. The Dr uses a rubber washing glove to protect against the heat as he takes hold of the muslin bag and squeezes out as much of the remaining liquid as possible.
    You might want to put a bowl under it to catch the excess liquid as it can spray out quite a bit.

    Now take all the squeezed Kratom powder and return it to the cooking pot, add the second half of the lemon/lime, more water and return it to the boil again to get out any remaining alkaloids.

    Take the Kratom tea from the pint glass/bowl and put it aside, or put it into a second pot and put it on to boil so that the water starts to evaporate.

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    When the second boil of the powder is finished after another 20 - 30 minutes take it off the heat and again strain the liquid through a muslin cloth.
    If you don't have a muslin cloth then a t-shirt will work fine.
    If you are using crushed leaf Kratom then it can easily be strained through a sieve.


    The Liquid from the second boil can now be combined with the liquid from the first and the pot can be returned to the heat.
    If it looks like there is still some powder in the liquid when pouring it into the pot then double up the muslin cloth/t-shirt and strain it again.
    You want to have just liquid now and no plant material at all if possible.

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    Put the liquid back on the heat and turn the heat right up. This step can take some time depending on how much liquid you have, but be careful to keep an eye on the pot because you don't want to get distracted and return to find that all the liquid has boiled away and the extract has burnt. Trust me when i say it not only smells terrible but its a nightmare to try and clean the pot, Ive seen the Dr scrubbing for hours.

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    I should also add that the boiling process can get quite smelly, so if you have an extraction fan turn it on, and open some windows and keep the kitchen door closed.

    Once the liquid has boiled right down and most of the water has evaporated you are going to notice that the Kratom tea becomes very thick like a syrup. At this stage you should turn the heat down because its very easy to burn it.

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    Some people prefer to boil out almost all the water while its still in the pot but the Dr has found that its very hard to remove from the pot and he does not feel comfortable scraping it out especially after he once noticed some small silver flakes that were obviously part of the pot in his extract once.

    While it is still hot and liquid enough that it can be poured he likes to transfer it to a cooking dish, he uses a Lasagna dish. The dish can then be put away from the heat and the extract can be left to cool and the extract will start to set.

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    He finds that putting the baking dish with the extract into it, into the oven is perfect for removing most of the remaining moisture quickly.
    You can always boil it down completely in the pot, or you can leave it out for a day or two so the excess liquid evaporates naturally but the Dr finds this method fast and easy.

    It only takes a few minutes under a medium heat and the extract is just right for it to be cooled off and then when it has become pretty solid it can be scraped up and collected together.

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    At this stage, before it is completely solid, the resin can be compacted together into one big lump, this can be rolled out into a long sausage shape which can then be divided into individual portions or doses.

    Having these resin balls stored is perfect if you want a cup of Kratom tea without the hassle of make one every day. Simply dropping one into a cup of boiling water and a quick stir is all it takes.
    The balls can also be swallowed like capsules.

    If like the Dr however you don't mind the taste of the resin and don't want to wait for your body to dissolve the resin balls or to drink tea then the dried resin can be put into a coffee grinder and turned into a powder.

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    It took the Dr about 90 minutes to get to this stage here, which is not a lot of time and he always enjoys making his own extracts anyway so it was time happily spent.

    Grinding up the resin is just another step that he does based on personal taste.
    He finds it almost impossible these days to toss & wash large amounts of powder and even mixing it in juice has become a bit of a struggle, however so far he has no problem at all Tossing back a few grams of the powdered extract.

    2 minutes in the coffee grinder to ensure that all the resin had been powdered and he is left with a nice powdered extract.

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    So about an hour and a half to turn 200 grams of powdered Kratom into just under 35 grams of powdered Kratom resin extract.
    The powder can be left to dry even more to ensure that all the moisture has been removed.

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    Id make a rough estimate that after any remaining moisture was removed the resulting extract would be around 6X or 6 grams of Powder going into make every 1 gram of extract.
    As for the strength...well ill have to wait for the Dr to let me know.

    Like most good Resins its also a lot stronger than the majority of extracts being sold, but of course an extract can only be as good as the Leaf its made from.

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  2. ianzombie

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    Re: Making a basic Kratom Extract

    Basic Kratom Alcohol extraction.

    Kratoms alkaloids are easily extracted into water, but alcohol can also be used to make a basic extraction.

    I am not sure just how many of Kratoms alkaloids are easily extracted into alcohol but i have found that there seems to be a difference in effect from drinking Kratom extracted into boiling water (Kratom Tea) and Kratom extracted into alcohol.

    While the alcohol will obviously add to the overall effect, presuming the alcohol is consumed along with the extracted kratom alkaloids, he has noticed that if the alcohol is evaporated after the extraction in a similar way to the water extraction posted above, the effects from taking the powdered extract is a lot less stimulating and more relaxing.

    To make a basic Alcohol extract th Dr. uses the following materials.
    Kratom powder
    Scales to measure the kratom
    Glass bottle or jar
    Lemon juice
    A container big enough to hold the bottle/jar and hot water
    Alcohol (Vodka or similar)

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    Make sure to use alcohol which is designed for drinking if you are going to consume the alcohol without evaporating it down to a powder. Isopropyl or similar should never be ingested.

    First of all weigh out the amount of Kratom you plan to use. For this TEK he is only making enough for a single dose, please not this is a personal dose related to his own tolerance. It is not a recommended dose for everyone.

    He pours the Kratom powder into the glass bottle. A jam jar or any other glass jar will work perfectly, just make sure it can be sealed.

    Into the jar with the Kratom he squeezes a little lemon (or lime) juice, he find this aids with the extraction.

    Next add the alcohol. You need to add enough so that when shaken the kratom is mixed well into a paste of liquid. If you are going to evaporate the extract down into a powder then use as much as you like, he finds that so long as the kratom is still slightly runny then there is enough alcohol.
    In this example he is adding just enough to cover the Kratom and then a drop more.

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    Now you want to seal the bottle and give it a good shake so that everything is mixed up well. If the result is not wet enough add a little more alcohol.
    If you are planning on drinking the alcohol along with the extracted kratom then keep an eye on how much you add.

    While Kratom can be very powerful he has found that it is quite a delicate buzz that can be masked by other drugs. Also know your limits with alcohol, there is no point in making an alcohol extract if you are going to get drunk and not experience the effects of the Kratom.

    Once you have shaken the mixture up well and everything seems evenly blended you can put the sealed bottle into the bigger container.
    You can use anything you want, a pot or even the kitchen sink will do. Just make sure that it will be able to take boiling water.
    Some plastics are not designed for holding boiling/hot water and will melt or become deformed, he finds glass the best as it is also a good conductor for heat.

    Boil up a kettle or pot of water and then making sure the bottle containing the kratom is secure in the container, add enough water so that it covers as much of the bottle as possible.

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    This hot water bath will heat up the alcohol inside the bottle and will speed up/aid the extraction of the kratom.
    He uses boiling water, but as Alcohol boils at a lower temperature than water it is important to keep an eye on it for the first few minutes as the alcohol will start to evaporate and create some pressure inside the bottle.

    The bottle he has used (shown in the picture) has a cork in it. After a minute or so the cork, if sealed tightly, will shoot out of the bottle from the pressure.
    He make sure that the cork is not on too tightly at first and he lets some of the initial gasses out.
    As the water slowly starts to cool the pressure reduces and the cork stays in place.

    The bottle can be left in the water now, but to help with the extraction the contents should be shaken every now and then to keep it all mixed up well.

    If you want you can continue to replace the cooling water with freshly boiled water, and you can do this for as long as you want to, but he has found that 20-30 minutes is more than enough time to extract enough alkaloids for an experience equivalent to that of kratom tea made from a similar amount of powder/leaf.

    Once you are happy that enough time has passed you can get ready to strain out the plant material.

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    He simply puts a muslin cloth over a glass and pour all the contents of the bottle through it.
    If you don't have muslin then you can use a t-shirt or coffee filters, but be warned that this stuff really stains.

    You can then dispose of the powder or if you wanted to you could try to make a tea from it and see if any remaining alkaloids are there than might be more easily extracted in boiling water.

    Sometimes when making a large batch of extract he will start by taking half my powder and using the boiling water extraction method, the other half using this alcohol method, then using the powder left after that he will switch over and extract them again with the opposite methods.

    After he has evaporated both the alcohol and water extracts down to a powder he combine the two.

    In the above picture you can see the dark layer of alcohol that has formed above the powder on the bottom of the jar.

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    This is the resulting alcohol extract.
    Its a good alternative to Kratom tea and the combination of a little alcohol and kratom can be very nice.

    As already said, the alcohol can be evaporated off if you intend to do a large extraction right down to a powder similar to the water extraction detailed in the first post.
    He personally finds the alcohol extraction to yield a more sedating product, even after the alcohol has been removed.
    He presumes that some of Kratoms many many alkaloids are more soluble in water, and some in alcohol, this might be what makes for a slightly different effect, he is unsure.

    If you do intend to evaporate the alcohol it is best done at a very low temperature, and it should be monitored closely at all times. It should be somewhere well ventilated.

    Enjoy.
     
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  3. (NS)-M-Lo-Reason

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    Re: Making a basic Kratom Extract

    I remember hearing that the ideal (layman) solvent for kratom extraction is ethanol and water. I wish I could remember the ratio but I believe it's on the site somewhere. Nice job guys! No use paying 60 bucks for a vial of comparatively uninteresting pure alkaloidal material.
     
  4. postimmortal

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    Re: Making a basic Kratom Extract

    How long do you leave the kratom/alcohol solution in the jar? An hour? Days? Weeks?
     
  5. ianzombie

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    Re: Making a basic Kratom Extract

    I thought it was clear enough.....

     
  6. bananaboi

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    Re: Making a basic Kratom Extract

    For the alcohol extraction what is stronger the tincture or the powder after the alcohol is evaporated off?

    bananaboi added 6 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...

    Also if anyone has seen that kratom tincture e-book on the net, the alcohol extraction method is pretty similar
     
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  7. ianzombie

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    Re: Making a basic Kratom Extract

    There should be no difference in strength, the only difference would be the alcohol.
    It will still contain the same amount of alkaloids if you evaporate the alcohol.
     
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    so does swiy know how powerful the water based extraction was?
     
  9. ianzombie

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    Re: Making a basic Kratom Extract

    The rated it being about 4:1 in terms of potency, or 1 gram of the powdered extract being as strong as 4 grams of the powdered leaf used to make it.

    As the final extract was about 6X (1 grams of extract made for every 6 grams of powder used) there is a small amount lost in the extraction process, but this is to be expected outside of some lab created extract.

    Any extract can only be as good as the material that is used to make it with, so starting off with a good quality leaf is important.
    The Dr would rate it as better than anything he has bought sold as being 15X, although thats not difficult as that stuff is mostly crap.

    The point of an extract is to reduce the amount of material needed to be consumed, although it also results in a powder the Dr finds a lot easier to eat, both in taste and consistancy, making it easy to toss and wash.
    It can also be stored easily and conveniently made into an instant kratom tea.
     
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    Re: Making a basic Kratom Extract

    What are dry weight comparisons from alcohol and water extracts?
     
  11. Herbs&Hopes

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    Hey Ianzombie, looks good!! My friend the alchemist posted on another forum a similar procedure, I will round it up and get it posted here and we can open more discussion about various methods for kratom, and possibly some other good herbs/entheogens as well. Making tinctures and glycerites is a great, beneficial way to pass the time! Suprising how a devoted weekend can give one one, two or three very usefull extracts for pain, sleep, anxiety, poor-appetite; fucking good. Stolked to see another procedure. My friend the alchemist was so close to drying his and grinding it but he kept it liquid, next time he is going to dry and grind half the batch, looks even more conveniant.
     
  12. th3ghost

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    thanks for the useful info, trying the alcohol method now...it looks great!:)
     
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    Thanks for the info, SWIM will surely try both of these extraction methods :) SWIM is wondering what he would get if he mixed some good relaxing Indo batch with some relaxing herbs (chamomile, hops etc.) and left it to extract (alcohol) for 2 weeks or so :p
     
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    after boiling off most of the alcohol it turned into a very nice oil, I also used the kratom left over and made a very good tea out of it, the alcohol mixture is very potent and it's the same or if not better as the tincture you buy from sites! I mixed powdered bali and some good maeng da..... thanks again for this!
     
  15. Gradient

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    Excellent thread, ianzombie. Have other, more volatile solvents ever been considered for extractions?

    Looking at the structure of mitragynine and its 7 hydroxylated cousin, it's likely unnecessary to do a classic acid-base to liquid-liquid extraction to snag 'em and similar alkaloids - but it'll likely yield a more pure and potent product than the alcohol extractions are capable of.

    Here's how one might imagine it (just a very basic liquid-liquid extraction): place powdered material into acidified water (lemon, lime, HCl, vinegar, etc.), warm to just under a boil, filter crude product, basify, warm to just under a boil, introduce non-polar solvent, shake very gently, isolate non-polar solvent, evaporate, voilĂ . Repeat using filtered crude and left-over basified water.
     
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    Hi Fellow Extractor!
    I am currently attempting my first extract with Kratom based on your alcohol warm bath method. It's evaporating as we speak! I am very excited! This is also my first post on this forum, so also happy to be contributing. I had 3 questions for you:
    1.) How do you evaporate/extract to a powder form again?
    2.) I used 25 grams of commercial Bali for this. My normal daily dose is somewhere between 20-30 grams (which I would like to get down at some point). The question is what would you guess my dosage should be of the extract? I will let you know how much it yields when I am done in 15 minutes or so.
    3.) How do I store this dark liquid extract?
    Thanks in advance for your help, and for your detailed depiction of this process. Please feel free to send me a pm me anytime.
     
  17. ianzombie

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    You can just pour the strained alcohol into a shallow dish and let it naturally evaporate, putting it somewhere warm (but ventilated) or to speed it up you could put it in the oven, under a very low setting (alcohol is flammable) with the extraction fan on, keeping an eye on it all all times.

    If you made the extract with 25 grams, and your normal dose is around the same, they you obviously use it all.
    Making an extract does not make the kratom stronger, it simply extracts the alkaloids from the useless plant material leaving you with less powder (or liquid) to consume.

    Regardless if you yield 1 gram or 5 grams, the strength will be the same as what you started with, if anything it will be slightly less presuming some alkaloids are lost in a non-lab environment.
    If you end up with 1 gram then that gram will be = to 25 grams.
    If you wnd up with 2 grams then each gram will be = to 12.5 grams
    and so on.

    If you had a small dark glass bottle, the sort you get with liquid medication (often with a dropper) that would be good. Kept in the fridge, or somewhere cool.
    If you evaporate the alcohol you can store the resin/powder in the same way.

    BTW, no need to quote the entire post, it just takes up space :)
     
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    Thanks for your speedy reply! I yielded about 20ml of a light brown extract that barely tastes like alcohol. Maybe that's because I have been using Black Liquid Isolate from a vendor for the past few days, and I am pretty sure it's half grain alcohol....so my Vodka extract tastes watered down.

    I have a super mellow feeling going right now, but it's difficult to tell what it's from. Kratom is merely one element of my daily cocktail. Just smoked some lovely Golden Goat and washing down the extract with a Belgo IPA too. Anyway, I think the extract worked okay (I am no expert). I will know better tomorrow morning when I take my first dose.
     
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    the stronger the alcohol you use the more you will yield "atleast in my experiance" I used 100 proof vodka and 2 limes, my measurements was 4 to 5 heaping tablespoons and 2 cups of alcohol and a hot bath for 35 to 40 mins, filtered, then slowly cooked off most of the alcohol..
    the best type of kratom was maeng da in the extractions i have done, it's a very dark brown color when slowly boiling off the alcohol....I do have one question, If one was to distill kratom in water in a distillation device..good idea? bad idea?
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  20. pharmakon

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    I was thinking the same thing that it would be nice to defat thereby removing plant waxes and chlorophyll. Do you think xylene would be a good NP, its pretty wide-spectrum and so should grab a wider range of the alks. And can you clarify that last sentence, "Repeat using filtered crude and left-over basified water."? Are you saying the plant material filtered out after the acid-boil should be mixed back in to the basified water and re-extracted with fresh NP?