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Health - Man dies from possible LSD overdose

Discussion in 'LSD Discussions' started by lulz, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. lulz

    lulz Gold Member

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    http://www.times-standard.com/local/ci_6709373


    From erowid: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_dose.shtml

    :eek:
     
  2. psyche

    psyche Palladium Member

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    Wow, he took one hell of a dose, 50 000 times the normal dose. But they aren't talking about lethal dose, they might mean something less by 'potentially lethal'. Or it is bad terminology. What a chaos it might've been, it might've been a bitch to die under such a insane dose, if he had much consciousness left.
     
  3. eltimmy

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    Amazing.
     
  4. Jatelka

    Jatelka Psychedelic Shepherdess Platinum Member & Advisor

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  5. Felonious Skunk

    Felonious Skunk Newbie

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    :: sigh :: Why would anyone accept the coroner's claims without checking the numbers? First off, 10.6 ng/mL of blood equates to:

    (10.6 ng) x (5,000 mL) = 53,000 ng = 53 mcg total LSD found in Cotton's blood at the time of his death.

    Where:

    1,000 ng = 1 mcg
    1,000 mcg = 1 mg
    1,000 mL = 1 L
    5L = 5,000 mL = approximate volume of blood in the human body


    This is about half a recreational dose.

    However, it is important to bear in mind that this was what remained after his body had metabolized a particular dose taken at an unknown time. The half-life of LSD is (like the LD50) also debatable in psychopharmacological circles, but most research puts the range at anywhere between 2.5 and 5 hours.

    Thus, if one were to err on the conservative side, i.e., attempt to lend credence to the coroner's assertations, we could use the 2.5 hour figure and assume the LSD was ingested 12 hours before death (although the probability is that the time between ingestion and death was significantly shorter).

    Therefore, extrapolating backwards:

    LSD level @ death = 10.6 ng/mL
    LSD level @ T+9.5 hr = 21.2 ng/mL
    LSD level @ T+7.0 hr = 42.4 ng/mL
    LSD level @ T+4.5 hr = 84.8 ng/mL
    LSD level @ T+2.0 = 169.6 ng/mL
    LSD level @ ingestion = 271.4 ng/mL


    Estimated dose:

    (271.4 ng) x (5,000 mL) = 1,356,800 ng = 1,356.8 mcg = 1.4 mg

    As you can see, this is far below any projected LD50 out there. Keep in mind, these calculations were done using figures that, as devil's advocate so to speak, would maximize the estimated dose. It is probable that Cotton ingested much less than 1.4 mg.

    The coroner, in his attempt to deceive the public and divert their attention away from the possibility that Cotton was murdered by the police, has not only relabeled a typical reacreational dose of LSD and called it a "toxic dose," but has also taken it upon himself to establish the LD50 of LSD at about 700 mcg. I leave it to you to judge the credibility of this figure.

    For further information:

    http://sandiego.craigslist.org/pol/408392791.html
     
  6. Nagognog2

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    In this case, Bongo died years ago. So this must be Hell?
     
  7. old hippie 56

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    Or a helluva of a flashback. Does sound like a coverup.
     
  8. lulz

    lulz Gold Member

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    Between Felonious Skunk's math, and the article below, I'm inclined to be suspicious:

    http://www.times-standard.com/local/ci_6748619


    ^ On a lighter note, this comment is hilarious for a very good reason - the chairman of psychiatry at University of California in Los Angeles once killed an elephant by overdosing it with LSD.

    I had read an autobiography called An Unquiet Mind which was written by a professor of psychiatry who suffers from bipolar disorder. At one point in her career she was based in UCLA, and she got to know the elephant overdosing psychiatrist.

    Apparently the reason that the elephant OD'd is because they based the LSD dose on body mass. They thought, "If an average human weighing about 80 kilograms needs about 200 micrograms to trip, hell just an elephants tusk weighs that much! So the elephant must need way more LSD to trip, let's give him 300 milligrams. WE R JENIUS!"

    What they figured out later is that LSD doesn't work by affecting body tissue. It works by affecting the central nervous system. And elephants have far fewer neurons than a human does, so in fact the elephant should have gotten a lower dose of LSD. To call his overdose "massive" is such an understatement that it tears apart the fabric of space and time (that's the quiet ripping noise that you just noticed. Sorry for destroying the universe, my bad!).

    On a side note, after googling around to piece back together the details of the story above (I have a terrible memory), I googled the name of the study where the elephant overdosed:

    Code:
    "Lysergic Acid Diethylamide: Its Effects on a Male Asiatic Elephant"
    Looksee which website ranks as the second result. Second only to Harvard no less! :cool:

    edit: for additional lulz, check out the conclusion found at the end of the study:

    (last paragraph, page 3)

    Elephants in Africa must be rejoicing! Hooray for Don Quixote style scientific research!
     
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  9. chemlove

    chemlove Newbie

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    SWIM looked over at me and said Holy Crap thats insanity, he quickly told me he had never heard of anyone ever overdosing on LSD, but let me know that the dosage is very small and its very easy to mis dose if you don't know what your doing

    always be safe and know what your doing when your playing with your life
     
  10. Nagognog2

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    The highest OOOPS! dose of LSD Bongo ever encountered was a 13 year old nitwit of a kid. It was back in the day when people actually knew how many micrograms were in what and how pure it was. Nitwit stole some very powerful material, and when he knew he was caught - he ate it. It was 24,000mcgs. That's 24 milligrams.

    He was found later crawling slowing across lawns in a suburb of Washington, D.C. He was repeating a semi-word over and over: "Pleck-Lee-Eck-Lee-Um." He later related that he believed himself to be a slug (like escargot) who was leaving his entrails behind himself as he squished his way to........he ended up in a hospital.

    He was back to his stupid self in a few days. Though he had some questions he had to answer.