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Opinions - MDA vs. MDMA

Discussion in 'Ecstasy & MDMA' started by whereareyou, Oct 31, 2005.

  1. whereareyou

    whereareyou

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    what exactly is the difference between MDMA and MDA (besides the names)? in other words, what effects are different between the two? apparently swim had MDA last time and will soon be getting MDMA but i would like to know what to expect differently this time around. is it less intense or more intense?
     
  2. dclacomb

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    MDMA is supposed to be more empathogenic, while MDA is more
    psychedelic. Your average raver isn't going to be able to tell
    the difference though.
     
  3. whereareyou

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    what exactly do you mean by 'empathogenic' as opposed to psychedelic? im aware of what psychedelic effects are but i dont believe i could compare it to 'empathogenic' effects.
     
  4. Nagognog2

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    A deep feeling of oneness and closeness with the people you are with, assuming you are with folks you already know and trust. Rather like being suspended in a timeless place where love and peace are the all-pervading feeling in the universe. This differs from MDA as this sense is much more pronounced and intense. From a psychological standpoint, the MDMA removes fear and your defence mechanisms. This allows you to openly communicate that which might otherwise be embarrassing to you. MDA shows you glimpses of this possibility, but MDMA centers your focus on this feeling. For this reason, MDMA was, and rightly so, considered a major breakthrough in psychotherapy.
     
  5. ramjet

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    I've had three batches of MDMA powder (as opposed to pills) and I'm pretty sure one of them was MDA. Initially it felt like I was coming up on shrooms and then, although I felt warm and close to my friends, with many of the typical MDMA traits, there was defintely something different,"trippier" and more forcedabout the whole experience. I prefer a clean MDMA roll.


    What about MDE?
     
  6. raven3davis

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    MDA is also speedier my friend tells me. MDA is also more visual, more "psychadelic." Since MDA works on the seratonin sysyem in your brain (5th) is had effects on your mood and vision. MDMA supposedly works more on 5ht1 neurons which manage mood and MDA works on more neurons such as 5ht2 which has effects on visual perception. This is why MDA is considered more psychadelic than MDMA. Also MDMA is considered more euphoric and more empathogenic because it works mostly on the 5th1 neurons which effect mood. MDA works more on the dopamine and norepinephrine which is what makes it more speedier. MDA does give a strong level of euphoria in most cases, just not as much ad MDMA since it doesnt work as much on the 5ht1 sites. Also it is said that MDA has a worse comedown that MDMA, but in SWIMS opinion, either can give a bitch of a comedown.





    hope this helps mane, you should have a good time with good ole MDMA its a hell of a drug and so is MDA. They are much alike, but also much different. Very true though that your average raver might not even know the difference. Ravers probably perfer MDA or maybe a mix because of the speediness of MDA, it will keep your ass up all night waving your glowsticks aimlessly etc. :)
     
  7. TheFonz

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    SWIM shot his mouth off about the differences between MDMA and MDA. This is what he had to say....


    MDMA:
    made him feel vulnerable, weak, like a pussy.....Said it made him like a good little school boy and he could add a star next to his name.....also, he dared to use the words "dopey" and "smacky", adjectives that were ment to be taken to help describe more of a chill, melow experience......Life lessons are felt, but not understood because he's in such a mind fuck......9/10 on the sensation intensity scale.....Ment to be taken at home with trusted/loved ones.

    Comedown- DEEP, pussy euphoria, close to everyone one moment....then, without warning "well shit, were'd everyone go?" the next and then a straight bungy jump toward depression.

    MDA: gave him more of a cocaine like euphoria(felt fantastic, strong, friends with everyone, like he had a 12 inch cock and all the women wanted it). He said it was the best external stimuli experience ever! Best described as High-Definition life and then some......7/10 level on the sesation intensity scale.......more of party, rave, club drug

    comedown- more like walking down a slight decline back toward baseline. No depression, slight headache and a little tired the next day.



    He felt that the higher than normal (often unpleasent to some) intensity associated with MDA is the fact the come-up is slower than MDMA. As a result, people who were sold pills that contain more MDA take more, thinking they bought MDMA pills and they might be weak, end up taking more and then their FUCKED later because of the dose they just took.....


    SWIM said that the scenerio for making his comparison were "scientifically fair" (dose, tests, mood, environment, etc.).......


    **The opinions expressed don't represent the opinions of THEFONZ, it's management, employees, or sponsors.** ;-p
     
  8. betsym

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    Re: MDMA vs. MDA...?

    SWIM found MDA to be a lot stronger and to last for a longer time, as well as being more visual, with colors, patterns, objects moving, and was more stimulating in effects on skin and hair. The empathy was present as well and the whole experience was one similar to mixing e and shrooms. SWIM also felt that the MDA came on faster than MDMA as opposed to slower. SWIM went to bed after several hours and, after waking up, pupils were still dilated and SWIM was still feeling effects. That would have been about 15 hours and only 1 pill. The sexually stimulating effects were also stronger than with MDMA. SWIM would say that she was less inclined to just cuddle and more inclined to "assume the position" or several. It did seem to resemble cocaine in the effects on self-confidence and euphoria. The overall intensity might be too much for some but not for high-stimulus folks.
     
  9. snow child

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    Re: MDMA vs. MDA...?

    mdma- at home i love you drug.
    mda- lets party.
    there is the diffentance have fun be safe.
    this is swims feeling on those two cems any way.
     
  10. Bajeda

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    Re: MDMA vs. MDA...?

    The effects lasting that long is a bit odd. Maybe there was something else in the pill swiy took that is longer acting, such as meth perhaps?


    Swim found MDA to have a longer peak that started fast but took longer to reach the apex, while MDMA starts off the same speed but zooms up to a ridiculous height quicker. With MDMA you have a number of minutes where the euphoria is too intense to do anything, while with MDA you can have up to an hour up mental orgasm where you just can't really function.

    MDA had more body load effects than MDMA, and was more physically taxing overall. Swim has got chills and overheating symptoms easier with MDA than with MDMA, and found that feelings of nausea, soreness, and overstimulation (jaw clenching, sweating, etc.) were more easily achieved with MDA. The hangover effect the next day was much more pronounced with MDA, though it was physical in nature. With MDMA swim doesn't get much of anything in the way of hangover. He isn't sure about feelings of depression the next day. He has only experienced those when he broke his own standards for using these substances and used them with too little a break period inbetween. Its impossible to say with all the adulterated pills around and the like, but swim feels that feeling really depressed after an MDA or MDMA experience isn't really normal, and may have something to do with dose, exact material ingested, the setting of the experience and activities undertaken during, and other factors similar to these.

    MDA has a much more tactile and visual nature than MDMA, which is more of a clear mental state. MDA is even more touch-sensitive than MDMA, and sexual feelings are more pronounced. Swim has also gotten some visuals off MDA, both open and closed eye. The open eye visuals he experienced took place near the onset and were short lived, though fascinating. The closed eye visuals were from a particularly stong MDA roll swim had, and came towards the comedown (swim thinks). Whenever swim closed his eyes he would see brilliant colours moving around like a visualizer (Milkdrop came to mind) and he also saw some messed up and freakishly bizarre images mixed in. Sometimes he would see flashes of faces or external imagery mixing in with the closed eye realm, such as looking at a hand but with his eyes closed swim saw the hand visualized in his mind as being constructed from the bone up to the skin while floating over a 3d grid of sorts, kind of like a computer animation program at work. It was a very intense experience and swim had to keep his eyes open most of the time as he would get sucked into the visuals whenever he closed them. That experience was intense on the whole though, with swim's jaw chattering like it never had before and him having to quell anxiety near the beginning to avoid a bad roll that was coming on as he was overheating and getting anxious. Swim has also gotten milder CEVs with lesser doses of MDA, but nothing like what he got that time.

    MDA feels much less empathic than MDMA, but social interaction isn't stymied really, unless you are at a part of the roll that is extremely intense in its euphoric or visual aspects.

    MDA is a great party and dance drug, while MDMA is a great sociable and introspective substance.

    Those are swim's thoughts on the matter, explained in brief.
     
  11. ljfe

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    SWIM has taken MDA six times so far, but hasn't had a chance to experience MDMA. These experiences have been very enlightning and long (7-10H). SWIM has colorful OEVs and CEVs with this drug. In SWIY's opinion, which is drug is better?
     
  12. ncsponger

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    MDA is said to have a more psychedelic effect than MDMA. SWIY probably would not experience the visuals that SWIY had while on MDA. On the positive side, MDMA's empathetic effect is more pronounced than MDA. Also, most labrats would say the level of euphoria is higher with MDMA than MDA. I read once that a supreme dose would be about 80mg MDMA and 20mg MDA taken together. It's just a matter of personal preference.
     
  13. Bajeda

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    Swim also finds MDA to be speedier and more of a dance drug, and it can be more intense than MDMA on the sensory perception side of things. Swim finds that tactile perception is greatly enhanced on MDA, even compared to MDMA, and touching things feels amazing. Each experience is different though, as with everything, so its hard to directly compare the two substances as they may have been ingested in different settings. Swim prefers MDA for rave type environments and MDMA for private house parties (roll gatherings) with a more controlled atmosphere.
     
  14. ljfe

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    SWIM seems to love the visuals from MDA. He just hopes it doesn't mess with him in the long run. SWIM thinks eventually he'll give MDMA a try, when rolling with friends. I guess MDA could be better for personal insight.
     
  15. Feelingood

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    SWIM would suggest using both together, then you get the best of both worlds. SWIncsponger's dose would feel pretty amazing for the average person, though swims preference is about 130-160mgs mdma, 60-80mgs mda. (this may be high for some, swim has a naturally high tolerance to everything ): )
     
  16. Samadhi

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    Keep the space between experiences apart by increments of two to four weeks to keep your brain in check...

    there is a reason why they call MDA the "hug drug". swim feels it is much more buzzy than MDMA's pure euphoric goodies.

    as for combining the two, start small and work swiys way up till he/she finds a good dosage range. Don't go for the gusto.

    swim peronally favors MDMA because of its synergy with swims favorite drugs (hallucinogens and research chemicals) MDA can also have a little body load for swim although swim has an easier time making MDA then MDMA... so will anyone who tries considering you work from MDA to make MDMA.

    (<don't pop too hard. it can be a bad time
     
  17. Mega maniac

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    For SWIM there is simply no contest, MDA just doesnt have the buzz of MDMA. I would say that SWIM's tolerance is very high at the moment but recently he took a whole gram of MDA within a 3hr timeframe, and other than a very mild feeling of having taken a psycoactive (much like a very mild ketamine feeling) all SWIM was left with a horrendus stomach ache and all the negative points of an MDMA comedown, like hot/cold rushes, inability to sleep properly, cramping of muscles and a general hangover feeling.

    SWIM has had MDA before and after taking nearly 3g's in a night felt atleast a little bit of a rush, but had he paid street price of over £100 SWIM wouldnt have been happy with the experience.

    MDMA is for SWIM on an entirely different level, SWIM has higher energy levels, much more feeling of euphoria and love, and just the feeling of being totally smashed which you simply dont seem to get with MDA.

    SWIM is dissapointed with the lack of MDMA on the streets at the moment, its seems to be close to impossible to get decent E's or MDMA at the moment, SWIM has done a trip of the UK recently and finds a simmilar situation everywhere he has been. SWIM wants to get totally fuck faced again ;(
     
  18. RedBaron

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    Swim would have to say he likes MDA a little better because of the mellow feelings of peace and love that are accompanied with it. The psychedelic aspect also makes a big difference as Swim has seen some out-of-this-world things while on the drug. Unlike many other Swimmers he prefers to do MDA in the comfort of his good friends and in a familiar setting. Alot is always said and learned in these adventures.

    MDMA definitely has its perks too as the general rush and euphoria doesnt even compare to MDA being way more intense. Swim likes to do MDMA when he goes out and partys with randoms or in a large crowd. It just makes him feel like doing more things or different things that he normally wouldnt.

    Swim finds that the comedown from MDA is a little easier to handle both physically and psychlogically which does its justice in the final descison.
     
  19. Matt The Funk

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    SWIM finds MDA a lot more psychedelic and almost a feeling of speed mixed with shrooms, since speed gives him empathy anyway. He finds the visuals much more intense for OEV and CEV while also having a much more intense "rush". MDMA he finds much more empathogenic and "clean", with MDA having a harsher comedown for him. SWIM once dosed too high and MDA and had bad paranoia and hallucinations similar to methamphetamine with a psychedelic twist.
     
  20. Flounderingaround

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    I read in the underground college newspaper about somebody trying this out and having great, great success. The issue is splitting up purchases to multiple people. That said, I don't condone this at all as it's highly illegal and will ruin your life if you get caught.

    Flounderingaround added 34 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...

    Also, an anyone comment to the tactile differences between the two? I'm aware of psychadellic/hallucination differences, but what about that feeling of things feeling GREAT?

    And while visuals may be stronger on MDA, are visuals still really enjoyable on MDMA? The people are asking if every time they've taken something and enjoyed a light show if it was the MDA and not the MDMA?
     
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