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Opinions - Methadone before taking Poppy Tea or after?

Discussion in 'Methadone' started by zekeandringo, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. zekeandringo

    zekeandringo Silver Member Newbie

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    Hi guys,

    SWIM is currently on 35ml a day of methadone. What SWIM is interested in knowing (hence asking this board of immense knowledge) is should SWIM not take his methadone in the morning as SWIM usually does and then make some tea, or should SWIM make some tea first and the take his methadone? Will SWIM get a better high taking the methadone afterwards?
     
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  2. enquirewithin

    enquirewithin Newbie

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    SWIM has never tried that combination but since methadone is said to cancel out the effects of heroin and morphine it makes sense that it would do the same for poppy tea.
     
  3. Helene

    Helene Gold Member

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    If you are taking methadone daily it really does not matter what time of day you take it, you're going to have all the previous days' methadone dosage in your system already. Methadone has a really long half-life, between 24 and 36 hours. This means that at least a day (if not up to a day and a half) after taking your dose, you're still going to have half as much left in your system. If you add on all the previous days' dosage, it works out that at any one time you're going to have about twice your daily dose of methadone in your system:

    Day 1 - 35mg
    Day 2 - 35 + 17.5mg = 52.5mg
    Day 3 - 35 + 17.5 + 8.75 = 61.25mg
    Day 4 - 35 + 17.5 + 8.75 + 4.38 = 65.63mg
    Day 5 - 35 + 17.5 + 8.75 + 4.38 + 2.19 = 67.82mg
    Day 6 - 35 + 17.5 + 8.75 + 4.38 + 2.19 + 1.10 = 68.92mg
    Day 7 - 35 + 17.5 + 8.75 + 4.38 + 2.19 + 1.10 + 0.55mg = 69.47mg

    So as you can see, skipping your morning's dose in anticipation of getting an effect from the poppy tea is not going to make much of a difference.

    As it stands, you're not on that high a dose of methadone, certainly not a dose that would be regarded as a blocking dose in terms of its effect on heroin use. I do not know what effect this would have on poppy pod tea, however. It is my feeling that such a strong opiate as methadone, which binds to the opioid receptors so tightly, would pretty much block the effects of the much weaker poppy tea. Poppy tea is full of all sorts of different opioid alkaloids, and it might be the case that you feel an effect from the thebaine, for example. I'm thinking that it is unlikely, however. But please be careful, do not take a huge amount of poppy pods in the hope it may overcome this blockade, as you could easily overdose, what with the combined effect of the methadone and the poppy tea.

    Please let us know how you get on with this, as I'd be interested to know if poppy tea could have an effect on top of a daily methadone dose.

    H

    PS - I've edited out the second part of your post, as you have already posted those questions in another thread.
     
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  4. Spucky

    Spucky Palladium Member

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    AW: Methadone before taking Poppy Tea or after?

    "How many" Poppy-Pods swiny friend want to use
    and how potent are they?

    imo. it`s alway risky to mix Opiates- and Methadone!

    Many People think they need a lot, so they do but the Opiates are to weak
    to break the affinity from the Methadone, the Opiates will look for alternatives to dock in
    and this will be inside the Respiratory System!
     
  5. Moving Pictures

    Moving Pictures Titanium Member

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    Swim'd think the poppy tea might not have much effect do to your methadone tolerance. Swims heard of methadone "blocking" heroin and morphine, but swim never noticed this. He's never been on the clinic but he's taken 3 or 4 of the waffers (40 mg) and shot dope and got very high. Felt the dope rush and everything. Swim doesn't think it will matter when swiy takes his methadone. If swiy been taking it steadily for awhile he'll have built up a continous amount in his system (that's the idea with methadone treatment).
     
  6. zekeandringo

    zekeandringo Silver Member Newbie

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    thank you so much Helene for your response, very useful

    SWIM bought some scales to see how much ground up powder (20 gigants) was. Turns out SWIM's dose is around 90-100 grams... is that a bit crazy or normal for the methadone

    SWIM has done this 4 times now and is still here....
     
  7. Grabnar

    Grabnar Newbie

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    swim says unless swiy tryin to kick the methadone , there's no point in havin some pods, swim also says if swiy has some yummy pods 20g toss and wash style will make swiy whole day much brighter
     
  8. zekeandringo

    zekeandringo Silver Member Newbie

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    SWIM has can report that there is no noticable difference between dosing before or after PPT, and can assure last poster that there it is definitely worth doing and much effects are felt :)