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Drug info - Methoxypiperamide - 1-(4-methoxybenzoyl)-4-methylpiperazine

Discussion in 'Piperazines' started by davestate, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. davestate

    davestate Gold Member

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    Please post info about "Methoxypiperamide" here.

    Can anyone add information about:
    • names / synonyms
    • molecule
    • dose
    • duration
    • side effects
    • have there been any reported incidents with this compound?
    • since when has this research chemical been available?
    • legal status
    • stability of the molecule / compound
    A thread for experiences with Methoxypiperamide will be created if and when it is necessary.

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    [IMGL="white"]http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=31593&stc=1&d=1362512016[/IMGL]Other names: MEXP
    IUPAC name: (4-methoxyphenyl)(4-methylpiperazin-1-yl)methanone
    1-(4-methoxybenzoyl)-4-methylpiperazine
    CAS number: 55154-30-8 (freebase), 41804-96-0 (hydrochloride salt)
    Chemical formula: C13H18N2O[sub]2[/sub]
    Molecular mass: 234.29g/mol






    Not much available info on this one, just started popping up on a few vendor sites, with vague descriptions of similarities with BZP deduced by 'in-vitro' experiments and wild speculations of its mechanism of action

    No idea of the dosage or effects as of yet, nor if it is even active orally

    As to legality in the UK the The Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (Amendment) Order 2009 states that

    1–benzylpiperazine or any compound structurally derived from 1–benzylpiperazine or 1–phenylpiperazine by modification in any of the following ways—


    • (i) by substitution at the second nitrogen atom of the piperazine ring with alkyl, benzyl, haloalkyl or phenyl groups;

    • (ii) by substitution in the aromatic ring to any extent with alkyl, alkoxy, alkylenedioxy, halide or haloalkyl groups.”;
    Now the above compound falls foul of both of those definitions, having a methoxy moiety on the aromatic ring and being methylated at the nitrogen, however, does that ketone somehow cause it it slip past this law? Possibly, instead of being a methoxyphenyl group it could be classed as methoxybenzoyl

    To anyone who is willing to try a BZP analogue, good luck, stay safe and start way low. It may look like BZP but may well be active at much lower doses
     

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  2. Phenoxide

    Phenoxide Super Moderator Staff Member

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    It's uncontrolled under UK law at this time. As a benzoylpiperazine it's not covered by the clauses for benzylpiperazine and phenylpiperazine derivatives.

    Bit of an odd one though. Didn't expect to see the manufacturers scraping the piperazine barrel again. Almost like we're back in 2003.
     
  3. OneMoreTime

    OneMoreTime Newbie

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    Noticed this appearing on the one the usual suspect venders recently.

    I'd be quite scared to guinea pig this based on there is almost no record of effects.

    Is it assumed to be similar effects to a dissociative?
     
  4. Phenoxide

    Phenoxide Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Err no.. it's a piperazine. Based solely on structure one would expect it to be a rather shitty stimulant.
     
  5. Placebo effect

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    Anyone who tried pFPP will know that that had a very trippy edge to it, made you just want to stare at stuff and not particularly socialise. And that was active at low doses, 20mg - 50mg was more than enough. Best to start very carefully indeed. My Aunties gorilla was discussing aquiring some as he really liked BZP, but at the moment doesn't really have enough bananas to trade for a research chem that could be not all it's hyped up to be.
     
  6. SpatialReason

    SpatialReason Palladium Member

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    Ugh, can anyone else make a casual assumption that this is going to be as awful as the rest of the piperazines? Regardless of what analog it may be, they usually turn out to be a dirty stimulant experience at best. Just more stuff that ends up cutting good MDMA as it would be...

    There are so many readily available cathinone stimulants which are still legal in a lot of countries. It would seem that someone is just doing this to give it a try. I thought these things disappeared before 2010. I guess there are more things to worry about now.

    I wonder if this one has the same detrimental health effects that BZP had. Apparently it was found as toxic to the kidneys and liver after the years of "Fake MDMA" abusers took it for too long.

    I am going to throw this article in here so people can relate back. Sometimes these analogues can be worse for you, so I feel it is pertinent for harm reduction sake:

    http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2011/May/09051102.asp
     
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  7. C11H15

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    While searching for mephtetramine related-journal articles i found this chem!
    So i ran a quick lit search for both the 'brand name' and it's chemical formula to try to eliminate industrial differences in 'brand name' for market strategy etc. anyway it would mess the search up. This was pointed out by GentlemanTom in the 'mephtetramine' drug info thread.

    Only two were found (below is taken from my post in the mephtetramine thread);

    The first is written using a chemistry framework, however, i could not read the entire article, only the abstract.
    The second article has a sociological and political framework which outlines and disscusses the issues surrounding RC's and names a few.

    My reading of them was limited to their abstracts, just thought id summarise them above for ease. (Not even my uni's has a subscription to the article, despite being subscribed to the 90% of Wiley library content!).
    I have referenced them below (in APA 6th edition style);

    Kavanagh, P.V., & Power, J.D. (2014). New psychoactive substances
    legislation in Ireland–Perspectives from academia. Drug Testing
    and Analysis. DOI: 10.1002/dta.1598

    Power, J.D., Scott, K.R., Gardener, E.A., Curran McAteer, B.M., O'Brien,
    J.E., Brehon, M., Talbot, B., Kavanagh, P.V. (2014). The
    syntheses, characterization and in vitro metabolism of nitracaine,
    methoxypiperamide and mephtetramine. Drug Testing and
    Analysis
    . doi: 10.1002/dta.1616
     
  8. Synthacious

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    this compound is also sold as "MEOP", i had one sample, but at that time my rat took a lot of other stuff. i cant decide if it worked, but my rat snorted lots of this stuff in short time, together with 2-AI, Diclaz and some other new "Dissos". (not at once, but some of this and some of that over the day...)
    i got another sample and since the price is very low (compared to other RCs), 20-50mg as a starting dose seems very low.

    it is water soluble, so i think i got the hcl salt, i can check the purity on monday, but i guess a much higher dose is required. i will also give my rat a dose tomorow, solved in water, but i have to say he's heavy in diclaz right now. by now, there shouldnt be much diclaz in his body (low half-time), but much more metabolites (mainly delorazepam and lorazepam, which cause the sayings about 100h halftime, especially the first one), so the rat wont be able to give clean information.
     
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  9. Hover

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    Casual? I can.

    And to think a Canadian acquaintance of mine complained that in her country MDMA is often cut with meth... :rolleyes:
     
  10. magnum420

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    Im not sure but this chemical Methoxypiperamide SUCK a lot i tried with low dosage and didnt work at all
    but im on ssri so maybe thats whay.