Effects - Methylone and hallucinations.

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  1. Systemdoll

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    Hello.
    I had numberous experience with methylone with always visual hallucinations.
    The dosage was 170mg + 160mg 3hours later + 150mg 3hours later.

    Each time, at the end of the trip, swim experiment visual hallucinations with text and drawing all over the wall. Like a kind of code.
    That type of hallucinations are very vivid because I am not "stoned" but just very euphoric. So swim may concentrate on that visuals, but each time he want to examinate the codage, it disapear.
    In fact it's very weird.
    Swim want to know if someone have experimented the same type of visuals.
    I had tried a dozen of other Research Chemical with no such type hallucinations.
     
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  2. Nagognog2

    Nagognog2 Iridium Member

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    Some entactogenics have been known to produce eidetic imagery - like what is being described by me. It tends to be personalized - certain molecules eliciting such in different people. For SWIM it appears methylone is the material to bring such to the surface. MDE has been reported to elicit this commonly.

    For Bongo, MMDA (not MDMA) was found to very commonly do this to him and his fellow researchers. Who managed to trace the outlines for comparison.
     
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  3. Systemdoll

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    Thank you for the explanation.

    The thing i found very weird is that swim sees Chinese ideogram (and swim don't write chinese) or solved sudoku puzzle. It's much more realistic than hallucinations with shroom or LSD.
    Swim can see also a lot of "particle" floating in front of object. As I say, he doesnt feel stoned and so it seem to be very realistic.
     
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    Bongo & Co. also noted Chinese pictograms. And yes, they reported these were very clearly seen. Hence they were able to draw them accurately down on paper. The comparisons done later were, in many cases, nearly identical. Theories drawn from this dealt with these molecules eliciting a direct linkage to what Jung refered to as the collective-unconscious.
     
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    That is incredibly interesting. Does anyone have any idea what is going on physiologically to cause this?
     
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    disinhibition of the VC neuronal threshold coupled with increased cross - CC throughput facilitating access to states described by Dr Bongo, DSc. also known as the akashik record (a work in progress) and a sybolic yet pictoglyphic language overlying our primary linguistic communication mode.

    in case of MDMA-like serotonergics, when one sees crystalline webbing and shifting logos, thats a sign of an overdose, active radical DA metabolites seekimg to bind to serotonin reuptake sites, wrong key! brainfry and hangover on the way.
     
  7. Systemdoll

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    I'm sorry but could you be a little much explicit (i'm french and my english vocabulary don't content biological terms).
    Are you just telling me that that those visions is the result of an overdose of MDMA-BK ?
     
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    Depends on the exact nature of the imagery.

    If it is clear and maintains, he is saying it's an opening of ancient linguistic banks that are encoded within the subconscious of the human mind. If it becomes a shifting pattern brought on by entactogens - you did too much. The dosage/nature of the imagery is key here. The shifting overdose visions tend to be everywhere and cause confusion.

    I tend to agree. Bongo is aware of overdose varieties of imagery created by people who take too much. Quite different from clear language appearing.


    <EDIT> Can I ask how long into the journey I was when he first noticed this effect happening? Judging from the dosage described, it was not LIKELY an overdose. But the chronology* would be good to know.


    * Time frame
     
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    Nice thread.
    I was told a story from a friend I like to call Swim. Swim came to me with an amazingly bizarre story of the CEVs she had after a methylone experience. I have been trying methylone on several occasions giving a week at least between each experiment. On My highest dose of methylone(exact mg unknown but I know it was done rectally though) I had wonderful effects with a hard comedown. During the comedown I did nothing but lie on her bed with her eyes closed, extremely lazy. Suddenly she saw black in white image of a chair, it was very realistic. Then a person walked into her vision and walked to the chair. The person sat down for a few moments then got up and walked out of vision. Seconds later another person with different features and different clothes walked in and sat on the chair. Got up walked out....This continued over 10 times with different people all wearing different clothes some had hats some wore jeans one light up a cigerette on the chair. All were people I has never seen before. This continued until swim opened her eyes got up and went to the bathroom. When she got back the CEVS were different. At no time did she think she was close to an OD but I am not planning to take this much methylone again. The CEVS where nothing like that of tryptamines or any psychedelic.

    This was the only time I have reported seeing CEV's off of methylone.
     
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  10. Systemdoll

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    Those visions appears after the third dosage. Swim use methylone for alduteration of masturbation. I am in his bed with porn on tv. Swim must pause the porn because he is completely astonished by the visions. It's a very euphoric moment. Swim look at the walls and surfaces, try to understand something from that code, then return to his hobby. Verry happy.

    Yes, something very important !
    I forgot to tell !
    Swim use a lot of amyle nitrite during his sessions with methylone. Perhaps the nitrite is in for something ?

    Note: it's not CEV. I had always the eyes wide open.
     
  11. Fantasian

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    Hi,

    SWIF on this note has experienced trying to read phone messages when each letter is spinning and crystelizing. Much like when one presses a finger down on a calculator display.
    Is this a sign of "Overdose"?
    Is this level of Entactogen worse for the body than normal levels?
    SWIF experienced this with MDA...
     
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    Slightly off-topic, but something like that happened to SWIM once in association with an SSRI antidepressant. He'd just been taking it (Lexapro) for a few days and decided to go off it. About a day later, his central vision went out completely for a few minutes (peripheral vision remained normal).... this was followed by a shifting, undulating crystalline webbing pattern in the center of his vision, which finally disappeared (and his vision normalized). Needless to say, the whole episode scared him sh*tless, particularly the loss of central vision (he could see that something was there, but could not make out what it was, e.g. could not read).
     
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    ^yep, sure as. the severity of visual disturbances depends on acuteness of withdrawal, established SSRI dose levels, duration of course, etc, etc, but they indeed are severe -mind you, these disturbances are just that and are far from the mythic visions where grokking the higher logos is part of the mystery to be remembered - and no methamp overdosage peripheral / central fry.
     
  14. John Doe

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    Methylone hallucinations.

    Rex had the most amazing 30 minute visual hallucinations today from a bomb of Methylone of all things, he’d been drinking alcohol, smokin spliffs and insuflating Meythylone since Fri 5pm, two of his dino mates joined him with the insuflation on Sat evening and they each dropped a 250mg bomb at 2pm Sunday.


    Thirty minutes later the visuals were like nothing he’d ever experienced before, very visual yet very mild attachment to emotions other than flying. Very life like illusions. His friends hair looked like a very detailed warship with portholes and guns and everything! And he was seeing lots of multicoloured dots all around his vision. They were getting buzzed fairly hard at this point and the two effects combined were quite pleastant he tells me. Any other further bomb they dropped didn't bring back the visuals though :(
     
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    1. 3/5,
      Please consider requesting post to be merged with the existing 'methylone hallucinations' thread (UTFSE)!
      May 31, 2010
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    I has had the same hallu's. like writing is everywhere, like the shading of stuff? and when you try focus it either dissapearsor goes into weird symbols :). this is usually after I have been up for 3-4 days on mephedrone..... coming down ofc
     
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      Methylone is not the same thing as mephedrone. Off-topic.
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    You is talking about Mephedrone or Methylone?

    A number of people report experiencing confusion, delusions and vivid hallucinations, although these tended to be among those who have been bingeing on Mephedrone for days on end and drinking heavily.

    Anyway, this should be detailed because Methylone is less potent on Serotonin than MDMA but as potent on Dopamine and Norepinephrine, while MDMA act strongly on 5-HT1 and 5-HT2 receptors.
    5-HT2 receptors are involved in hallucinations, we know that purely hallucinogenic drugs, as LSD, are, indeed, substances which stimulate powerfully 5-HT2 receivers. MDMA doesn't stimulate as much as LSD those receivers, and Methylone even less.
    People who develop hallucinations should specify if they mix some other drugs with Methylone or not. (Alcohol should be mentioned).
     
  17. SparkyMarky

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    Interesting!

    I have had similar closed-eye visuals when lying in bed after a combination of methylone and weed: he sees what he can only describe as 'postcards' in the centre of his visual field with complex, detailed illustrations (houses, cartoons, streets, scenic views), the white spaces of which are filled with tiny, detailed handwriting or lettering which is animated and changes and scrolls as he 'looks' at it, but he never seems to be able to see it in enough detail to *read* it, even though he's convinced that if he could, it would actually mean something. It's fascinating but when it's coupled with an inability to sleep (due to the methylone) it can get annoying after a while :)

    Sparly
    xx
     
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    if I snorted and mainly smoked 4.5 grams within a month period is that very bad? swim just recently did a half gram Friday night, got another half gram Saturday afternoon after he ran out an ran out Sunday afternoon an is not dehydrated, but has some muscle soreness and hallucinating slightly hours after the come down. his lung feels like here's a lump in it an it hurts a lot and he's worried he's done to much on this two day binge with no sleep. he's diabetic as well an it seems to do not to much difference. but my brain is nit feeling right. muscles hurt an dislocate after heavy doses. and again, my lungs are feeling horrible. I know He's not smart fir that but he is concerned. he feels that it has severly damaged some organs in the upper chest and kidneys as well.
     
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  19. Willyzh

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    Probably time to take a break. This is also totally off topic, the subject is Methylone hallucinations more specifically. Also, you posted in a thread that is three years in hibernation.

    Not a big deal but you should be looking for something like Is this a normal "hangover" for Methylone?

    Read more: https://drugs-forum.com/forums/377#ixzz2T8IK6ctK

    Or smoking methylone (bk-MDMA)?

    Or whatever pertains more to your topic. I know 20 pages of search results is a lot but try to sift through them a bit. Admittedly the search engine here needs to be improved, but we can pick up the slack a bit.

    Muscle soreness is "Normal" after a Methylone binge. Smoking methylone could be problematic but IDK, I either snorted it or IV'ed it.




    Willyzh added 5 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...

    Now back to the topic at hand... I was surprised to see this thread, a bit glad it got bumped, because last year I was in the shower the morning after a g of Methylone, and I am looking at the shower curtain, trying to figure out if there is writing on it! I blink my eyes and it seems gone for a second, then it comes back!

    I look at the shower wall, there it is! Then I realize I can read it plain as day, it doesn't fade, ever, because I just look and it's there, moving right to left like a fucking teleprompter!

    Then it becomes very clear and elaborate, and I thought it made a lot of sense... I wish I had written it down but I was in the shower, housemates were about and they don't approve much of banging drugs all night 'til one's pupils are black and they can barely talk. Aside from taking notes in the shower.. lol

    Anyway it was really cool, had a stream-of-consciousness prose style that did not seem to be mine. I wish I had paid more attention to it, it was constant and I looked at it in amazement for ten minutes. I just figured I was on a lot of drugs, but I like the idea of accessing the collective subconscious. Aside from that, all was normal with no other visual hallucinations, no delusions or paranoia of any kind.

    So I guess it was aliens sending me a message. Peace
     
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