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Opinions - Methylone (bk-MDMA) vs. MDMA

Discussion in 'Beta-Ketones' started by JSiN, May 11, 2011.

  1. JSiN

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    AFOAF was wondering if there was any reall noticable difference between MDMA and bk-MDMA. AFOAF doesn't really have the experience to know.
     
  2. Terrapinzflyer

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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    While there are similiarities the differences are substantial- no one experienced with MDMA would likely be fooled by bk-mdma.

    Generally, bk-mdma is much less euphoric, and what euphoria there is tends to be much shorter lived. Also many report bk-mdma to be "speedier", especially after the main effects have worn off. There are countless other smaller differences as well.

    While a mildly interesting substance in its own right I doubt you would find many who would consider it a replacement for mdma.


    read through:
    Ecstasy experiences

    Methylone (3,4-methylenedioxymethcathinone, bk-MDMA) Experiences
     
  3. Descartesx

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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    My fox has found that bk-mdma is noticeably different for these reasons:
    1) the onset is much more rapid and speedier
    2) the peak is more focussed, less tactile, less euphoric and with more of a push
    3) the come-up and peak are linear and predictable, unlikethe waves of mdma
    4) at higher doses, the plateau is very speedy and egocentric (sometimes)
    5) the come down is sharp and fast, alike to being told you have failed an exam
    6) after effects feel more toxic on the body and sleep is often hard to achieve if the fox redoses at all
    7) bk-mdma is far more effective when ingested- hardly at all when insufflated
     
  4. enquirewithin

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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    The adjective 'speedy' is often used. I remember so-called ''speedy acid."

    Perhaps is "amphetamine-like"? I some ways MDMA is shares many qualities with ordinary amphetamines, which makes my horse avoid it (and MDA which just gives him a jittery feeling, like speed). The bk's, although lacking the intense ''empathy'' felt by MDMA users, which I think is almost as fake as the enthusiasms of speed, have a cleaner feel. MDMA feels somehow coarse-grained in comparison.

    Its just an anecdote, but I remember seeing a video of Genesis P-Orridge doing an acid house gig, obviously high on MDMA, and saying to a member of the audience, "I know exactly how you feel'!" The answer was, "No you don't!"

    BK-MDMA seems to be more addictive than MDMA-- there is more tendency to re-dose, but I don't agree that it feels more toxic than MDMA-- quite the opposite. The late Owsley didn't the like the compound much-- it's not as ''benign'' as psychedelics.

    Apart from he possible comparative toxicity of BK-MDMA I agree with the above points entirely, if 'speedy' means stimulating-- a good summary.

    A negative side of BK-MDMA is that I would expect that people tend to take it many more times than they take MDMA/ E. Mostly people lose interested in MDMA as the effects get less interesting every time its taken-- BK-MDMA is more like, say, cocaine, in that it still keeps on working after repeated occasional use, although much of the "magic".

    BK-MDMA certainly no ecstasy replacement, thankfully- but I think MDMA is hugely over rated anyway, and have no need for anything like it, although I accept that many DF members would not agree with me!
     
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  5. JSiN

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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    The only reason why I asked is because my dog got what he was told was molly from Mr. Dealer. However my dog has reason to believe this not to be true. However an experienced individual would be able to take this and tell the difference right away?
     
  6. Phenoxide

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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    If in doubt investing in a pill testing kit seems advisable. The two compounds are easily distinguished with Marquis reagent. Methylone will turn Marquis reagent yellow (if there's a color change at all), while MDMA, MDA and the like will yield a deep purple to black color.
     
  7. Lady Codone

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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    For SWIM, methylone would absolutely be an MDMA-equivalent drug if its effects lasted longer. The effects are almost indistinguishable for SWIM, with methylone being slightly more energetic/euphoric than pure MDMA (she likes feeling "energized" more than "relaxed"). The shorter duration and lack of a harsh comedown/"suicide Tuesday" is another bonus when compared to MDMA. It has a less toxic, more therapeutic feel. SWIM has heard people say it feels identical to ecstasy and others who see no similarities whatsoever.

    How I describe it: methylone is to MDMA what MDMA is to MDA--a shorter-acting, less neurotoxic entactogen. Codone would hate to see it banned without studying its therapeutic potential.
     
  8. Descartesx

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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    http://www.neurophys.wisc.edu/~cozzi/sfnabs24.html

    The link in a nutshell says that bk-mdma has far less action on the serotonin transporter than mdma does. But my fox has read that its affinity for the dopamine transporter is greater. This is likely why a lot of users report bk-mdma being more 'speedy' and having a shorter come-down period, because the body can resynthesize dopamine far faster than it can with serotonin.

    My fox thinks its important to take into account that a lot of mdma is cut and sometimes is cut with amphetamines. My fox has had very pure crystal mdma before and it is far, far more of a positive experience than with bk-mdma. If a fox is sensible and keeps usage down to every few months then suicide tuesday is less likely to occur.
    Take care
     
  9. JSiN

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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    Well my dog reports good things about bk. Its not like he's displeased. In fact he's only done molly once, and likes the bk better. However the problem was he was told by mister dealer that he was buying molly, and he actually got bk. It leaves him with a sense that he was ripped off, and should have been told before hand. He has now started getting into this whole legal high thing, and would like some sudjestions as to what to try next.
     
  10. enquirewithin

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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    At this point googling is the way to find out what you want to know. With the 'legal' chemicals there is more chance of getting what one expects, but not 100%.
     
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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    it averages alot cheaper then mdma so it miight be a valuable replacement
     
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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    I'm pretty sure Molly is bkmdma. So if the dealer said that's what he gave you, Molly, then he wasn't lieing. Real mdma is not called Molly.

    WhitneyLoveXO added 3 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

    Sorry the post I just wrote was in reply to your post at 1135. Molly is bkmdma. Real mdma is not Molly. :)
     
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  13. Phenoxide

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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    I disagree. When people use the term "molly" they're typically referring to powdered MDMA, not methylone. This is similar to how "ecstasy" typically refers to pressed pills containing MDMA.

    However, much like "ecstasy" pills often contain drugs other than MDMA, substances sold as "molly" may well also be something else. This is a problem with using slang terms.
     
  14. bleedingthrough425

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    Re: bk-MDMA vs MDMA

    bk-mdma to me was way more fiendish than MDMA . with MDMA i can take 2 xpills roll hard as fuck and when i come down i can call it a night and head to bed . with Bk-mdma il take some (usually around 250mg-350mg) peak and then fiend hard and chase that first peak and never get it back , ive blown threw easily 3.5 grams of this stuff in a day and was strongly psychologically addicted to this substance for alil while . i am clean though now from
     
  15. sayitaintso

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    Re: Mdma vs Mehtylone

    Real MDMA kicks ass...methylone is like...."I'm almost there...whens it gonna peak" ...and it doesn't...sucks imo
     
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    Re: Mdma vs Mehtylone

    If you're getting real pure product, (over 99%) m1 kicks MDMA's ass for the initial rush. The key differences I've noticed are that MDMA is a ripoff, the cops are ignorant and often get a false negative for m1, m1 seems far more fiendish with a strong compulsion to redose along the lines of coke, and vaso-constriction is much more rapid and remarkable with m1.

    Mix your m1 with a little MDPV, (maybe 5:1) and you get a much longer and more intense rush with less nystagmus and bruxism, which can be a real problem with very high doses of m1 on its own. On the other hand, there's no decent data on the long term effects of all these bk analogues. I'm on day five clean at the moment and the scariest part is that none of the clinicians have even heard of a substituted cathinone.

    I've used MDMA to carry me over 'til I could get more m1. It kinda worked, but I didn't seem to have any tolerance, as 240mg IV really fucked me up (as in too much - splitting headache, vomiting etc) while I was on about a gram of m1 on a lean day at the time.

    Take it easy with that shit.
     
  17. RyderSku

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    Re: Mdma vs Mehtylone

    My stuff is in rock form whitish with a yellow/sandy tint in it and odorless they gave it to me as mdma thoe what do you think?
     
  18. ianzombie

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    Re: Mdma vs Mehtylone

    You can not ID a drug based on how it looks.
    Get yourself some reagents testing kits from somewhere like dancesafe and test your drugs.
     
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    I'm with the zombie.

    Get a reagent kit. MDMA usually tests really clearly. If you've got any quantity of product then the cost is far outweighed by the benefit of knowing what you're working with.

    Of coarse, you could just bang it up and see how dead you get...

    Budgetadvisoryservice added 7 Minutes and 43 Seconds later...

    The most pure MDMA I ever met was flouro orange, but I've seen white rocks test relatively pure as well.

    ... and then there was the little bag of quartz crystals that I tried cooking in a spoon. They were as you describe, and totally odourless.
     
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  20. RyderSku

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    Re: Mdma vs Mehtylone

    its pretty compliacated to order testing kits from net to my place..