Opinions - methylone just a high dosage ripoff RC

Discussion in 'Beta-Ketones' started by LATONA420, Apr 15, 2005.

  1. LATONA420

    LATONA420 Newbie

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    is methylone just another low potency Research Chemical with a similar high to AMT as just a mood enhancer thats very mild with less of the speedy feel or what?[​IMG] Edited by: LATONA420
     
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    surprise that you got euphoric effect from 100mg. when most report not felling anything below 200mg and euphoria kick in at about 250mg.
     
  4. TranceAddict

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    methylone is tricky..i dont think 100mg will do much but swim just had a bad experience..i guess u can say OD with 500+ mg
     
  5. Nitrate

    Nitrate Gold Member

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    I have not tried E but thinks methylone is different. SWIM
    finds it very subtle. "Gee - this place is hapening nice!" (when
    it is kinda dead). or I find oneself yacking to a stranger in
    a in-your-face manner a mile a minute. running, dancing seem like
    good ideas at the time with mid doses. larger doeses start
    causeing nasty jaw and fist clenching. Basicly the mood effects
    are subtle in small doses but the speedy efects are overpowering with
    larger doses. Not as much fun as expected. I am kinda glad
    though. I find if you take a small dose (1/3???) you will have
    more fun than expected that night.
     
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    gn2osis Iridium Member

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    Milder (less speedy and euphoric, but happy and centered) version of
    XTC. And not psychedelic except to the degree X is. Too bad
    it's pricey but that aside it occupies a worthy niche.<!--
     
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    deadmoap Mercury Member

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    One of my sources sells methylone at 100 mg for xxxxx. If the average
    dose is 250 mg, then I don't think I'd buy this if I was a millionair.
     
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  9. club222

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    I love methylone. It's a very mild version of XTC in my opinion. I feel
    great on it. The sense of touch is heightened, though not as much as on
    XTC. I seem to have very clear thoughts, although my mind still seems
    to race and I think of many different things all the time. On
    methylone, I feel that I could take it and go about my day normally,
    but feeling the great effects of the methylone. On XTC, I wouldn't want
    to take this and go about my normal daily routine (class, work, etc..)
    because for one, it would be way to noticeable and also I'd rather save
    those greater feelings of XTC for when I really want them. It's a shame
    Explosion is getting harder and more expensive to get[​IMG]
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    does anyone know if blutz is made outside of the netherlands?if so,then we can still get methylone in that form.
     
  11. paradies

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    I've done methylone and found it to be very, very mellow. Actually, even at 280 mgs., I found it to be too mellow. Things looked a bit crisper and at the same time softer. Felt very calm and a bit connected...nothing like X, as Club222 points out. I've always felt I wanted "more" somehow...like it just wasn't getting me anything more than a hint of something really great.


    Now, when I'm going to do something that works with serotonin, like X,I take 5-htpevery three hours for the day leading up to the experience. For me (and others I've told this to) it absolutely perks the experience. I also do 5-htp while having the experience. It certainly seems to amplify things just right...more precisely, I feel closer to what it was like when I did it years ago.


    Has anyone tried taking 5-htp prior to methylone? If so, what were your experiences?
     
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    Here's a report from the mythical fields of fantasyland. (Edit
    for clarity): One vial of Explosion on an empty stomach (with 50 mg of
    5-HTP and 200 mg magnesium citrate consumed five hours earlier) led
    to a pretty strong initial rush and a long-lasting, mellow, centered
    euphoria that was very lovey and social. The experience was
    significantly stronger than 170 mg of methylone (weighed powder) taken
    with no 5-HTP, for whatever that comparison is worth (we still don't
    know how much methylone is in Explosion). The stimulant push of
    XTC was absent but the lowering of boundaries and increase of trust was
    present. Great care should be taken trying this around strangers
    or untrustworthy people; regrettable revelations might come out of
    one's mouth.



    By the way, one reason for differing observed weights of evaporated
    material could be inefficient drying. Liquid could still be
    trapped in the crystals. Flavoring components could be add to the
    weight. Someone also suggested the possibility that ther are
    different batches of Explosion out there.


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    i am at odds to explain any potentiation of methylone by 5-HTP.

    i would imagine the 5-HTP would kill the methylone peak, jaust as it does for MDMA.
     
  14. zipoo

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    I don't think 5 htp kills the mdma peak. as a matter of fact i've read a warning not to take the 5htp untill a few hours after you have come down, beacuse taking it while still having mdma in you body will just squezz the last bit of seretonin that you have left. you wil feel another wave of seretonin release but pay a bigger price the next day and down the line.
     
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    For some reason, I've never had any "down" after X. I dunno why...I just haven't. I've known lots and lots of folks that do...seems to hit them especially two days afterthe event. Who knows, maybe I have lots ofserotonin...there isa belief that "happy" people vs. "depressed" people have a difference in that...dunno. Anyway...


    5-htp simplyshouldn't be able toget past the BBB (blood brain barrier) intact. Firstly, the 5 hydroxy part will just go bye-bye...but it shouldget the restof the molecule "inside." Next, thetryptamine-phosphate part will be obliterated by MAO's real, real fast.


    What I'm saying is taking serotonin orally won't be serotonin once it gets into the brain. BUT, all the building blocks are there...you should be fully loaded with all the ingredients you need to replenish used-up serotonin. If your brain is healthy and working all its wonderful wonders properly, it should utilize the building blocks...meaning you won't simply use up your serotonin in a burst and find yourself in a big 'ol "lack-o-serotonin" hole for days afterward. You should be already replenishing it while you're getting that big burst release of it.


    Didn't Sasha, knowing 5-htp can't get past the BBB intact start playing with it? Ithink he first took the 5-hydroxy part and changed it into a 5-methoxy dude. Then, I believe, he methylated the amine group so itwouldn'tbe destroyed by MAO's. I think that's what you need to do toget the beast past the BBB as a, then, direct precursor to serotonin (or something very, close to it) inside the brain.


    Well anyway...I know the brain itself can to the chemistry it needs to do to replenish used up neurotransmitters. Only stands to reason that if you goose it with the building blocks, it will know what to do.
     
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    ^i think you have your 5-HT (serotonin) mixed up w/your 5-HTP (immediate precursor)
     
  17. paradies

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    Nanobrain...yes, you are right. But I don't think the phosphate group hangs with the tryptamine, once inside the body. Phosphate groups,carboxyl groupsandhydroxyl groups are the most common things our bodies see attached to organic molecules. Our bodies pluck them off and pop them onto organic molecules all the time when changing things around. Mostly, our cells do stuff like that to get molecules across barriers, or make them ready for "the next step," whatever is needed. To our bodies, it t'aint nothing, really.


    (BTW, I used to teach biochemistry and, at other times, physiology...so I do have some idea about how the body plays with molecules...but only a fairly good idea...not a research chemist's understanding...HUMMM...that reminds me...I intend to really get into a lot more organic chemistry...could come in really handy :/ Yeah, that's the ticket!)


    I'm not sure, but I don't think the phosphate group is a factor inside the body. It will surely keep the amine group from being oxidized too quickly so it will not degrade too fast when in tablet or capsule form...hence we buy 5-htp.


    Oh well...anyway...I guess my real point was that the most "delicate" part of the whole shebang is the amine group getting pulverized by MAO's in the brain. It is just too delicate to make it intact to where serotonin is made/used.


    Oh that rascally Sasha...I do so love that guy.
     
  18. sg43

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    I recently did methylone with a girl who has previously done rolls 2 times, SWIM personaly was not too impressed buy it, she liked it alot but then again told meshe was drunk when she had done rolls and was not able to remeber it.it was definitely pretty nice but for the $15 USD price tag you might as well get rolls. [​IMG]
     
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    The idea is that only a small amount of the 5-HTP consumed actually
    makes it as far as the BBB, but that enough does so to be effective.
     
  20. gn2osis

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    I should add that in the report I mentioned, the subject consumed 5-HTP
    several hours before the Explosion, along with about 200 mg of
    magnesium citrate.



    How close to MDMA ingestion would 5-HTP have to be taken in order to kill the peak?
     
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