Naltrexone Implants

Discussion in 'Opiate & Opioid addiction' started by pogg, Jan 26, 2005.

  1. pogg

    pogg Newbie

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    There has been a lot of stuff about people dying while doing a rapid Opiate detox but no evidence to suggest that they were related to Naltrexone implants.


    I work at a clinic that employs ex-users to help current users and they offer naltrexone implants and i need more info on them.


    They dont do rapid detox. I did my detox cold turkey with the help of stuff you buy in an ordinary chemist shop, and the help of some really good friends who had done it before.


    Would love to hear from anyone who wants to chat to me. I am in England UK
     
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  2. Eirias

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    I don't know if it's from the way the ultra-rapid detox is
    performed, but I too have heard that there are several reported
    deaths. The deaths from U.R.O.D. in the state of New Jersey alone
    greatly outnumber the total worldwide deaths from ibogaine. From
    my understanding it is typically during the treatment that the
    fatalitites occur-- by pushing the body too hard or improper regulation
    of the anaesthesia (breathing problems, benzo ODs). Some of this
    may be a result of unlicensed clinics and individuals performing the
    UROD/Waismann method, and thus not having the proper knowledge to
    successfully give treatment. Personally I think the UROD is too
    pricey at present with too many horror stories, especially considering
    that one can undergo ibogaine treatment for less money in Mexico
    nowadays.

    In regard to the implants, I have only known one person who has
    tried this, and his report was very similar to those who take daily
    tablets of 'ReVia' as an opiate antagonist--- they end up not using
    narcotics becuase the naltrexone makes them ineffective, but they still
    strongly crave something and often either stop their opiate antagonist
    or rely on another chemical to get high (alcohol, benzos, etc.)

    I don't mean to sound cynical, every treatment has its
    drawbacks, and if something works for someone, whether its N.A.,
    Scientology, Ibogaine, UROD, or ReVia, or even methadone maintenence,
    then it should be considered a viable and valid treatment option.
    It is through discussion that we can assess what is most ideal and
    effective.
     
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  3. Eirias

    Eirias Gold Member

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    Just to elaborate amd clarify, it appears that there are a few
    clinics that are performing the U.R.O.D./Waismann procedure for a cost
    comparable to that of some of the ibogaine treatments, and there
    are examples of providers of both treatments that are IMHO
    prohibitively expensive (anything approaching or exceeding $10,000 USD).

    Also, ReVia is a tablet form of naltrexone which is taken daily
    by recovering opiate (ab)users to prevent them from experiencing any
    euphoria, should they attempt to use any narcotics.
    Interestingly, it was first devised as a preventative medication for
    recovering alcoholics with a similar treatment modality. This is
    much different than AntAbuse, which works by disrupting the metabolism
    of alcohol in the body, thus making the user sick if they try to drink.

    Why it is peculiar to me is that I don't understand how an
    opiate antagonist would prevent one from experiencing desirable effects
    from alcohol consumption, and thus discourage the user from doing so--
    my understanding was that alcohol primarily affected the GABA receptor
    sites in the CNS, and not opioid receptor sites. And even if this
    treatment for alcoholism was rooted in the theory that all abused
    psychoactive chemicals reinforce their repeated consumption by somehow
    eliciting a primal "pleasure response" triggered by a dopamine release,
    then would it not make sense to give the alcoholic a dopamine
    antagonist instead?
     
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  4. pogg

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    The clinic I work at charges £1500 for a 6 month implant. I dont know how that compares with dollars but it seems to me that an implant in the USA is a lot more expensive,


    With regard to taking Naltrexone tablets every day, If taking a daily pill was a realistic treatment option there would be no more teenage pregancies! Also the implants are low dose naltrexone, only 2 ngs is required to block Opiates and yet the tablets come in 50mg doses! No wonder people get side effects from the tablets.


    Rapid Opiate detox is associated with deaths, but it strikes me as sad that the Implants are often tarred with the same brush when in fact they are a definite treatment option which can prevent relapse in a number of individuals who have their issues sorted but are still in a position where Opiates are too easily available.


    Deaths by implant have been documented as suicide by overdose of opiates AFTER the implants have run out, so are hardly the "fault" of the implants


    Thank you for your comments
     
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    Werent the deaths in New Jersey actually associated with a doctor and not the proceedure?


    My question was more aimed at the implants themselves rather than about the rapid detox, which, personnally I am opposed to due to the risk associated with this.


    If someone stays opiate free,for 7 days, or has been Opiate free by way of a symptomatic non Opiate detox or other method, then an implant can be inserted without fear of a reaction to the Naltrexone. My own experiences and observations on the success of the implants in preventing relapse are not published, but I would like to see more work in this area.


    Does anybody know where I can access a lab, preferrably in the UK that can assess serum naltrexone levels?


    I have tried Guys, the poisins centes and mst of the other obvious places. I am struggling to find somewhere and if I could, it would help tremendously as I would be happy to write up the results of our work here.


    Incidently we would welcome any visitors to our clinic, or contact with anyone interested in this work
     
  6. Eirias

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    Wish I could help you locate the proper lab. I understand
    the difference between the implants and the pills, and understand even
    more now that you elaborated and I did some research on my own.

    In regard to the New Jersey deaths, my understanding was that
    the proceedure was carried out improperly or unsafely-- whether that is
    the result of an unskilled physician failing to address crucial issues
    in the treatment, or the procedure itself not having a wide enough
    margin of error to provide any buffer for higher-risk patients of
    sloppy doctors, I cannot say.

    I realize now that the naltrexone implants are well-tolerated if
    withdrawl is complete and with the low amount distributed by the
    implants throughout the body. My comments about drug substitution
    were somewhat presumptuous, and I did not mean to imply that patients
    substituted another chemical in all cases.
     
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    "got the snots..."- rather British phrasing and quite amusing at that![​IMG]

    Basically I said that I now better understand some of the
    differences between the implants and the naltrexone/nalaxone pill
    therapies, largely thanks to you pointing this out.
     
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  8. pogg

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    I have found a lab that can measure Nalerxone serum levels now. So any implant patient can check what the level is in their body at any time by having a blood test that will confirm the level of Naltrexone in their blood.


    The advantage of this is that when the life of the implant is nearly at an end, or The 6 months is up, you can check levels and decide whether to have more Naltexone, tablets or implant.


    Levels vary from person to person so the exact duration of the implant is impossible to predict. At least we now have a way to check cover!


    PSWhats wrong with getting the snots?


    :)
     
  9. adzket

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    i have been using a while now and going through detox for about a yr i have been informed by my g.p that when i have finished my methidone folowed by subutext treatment for final stages i have to be clean for two weeks befor the can do the implant
     
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    TheLifeback clinic staffsay 10 days clean of methadone, 3 days clean from subbys and 5-7 days clean of opiates


    Methadone hangs around in your sytem for a while so you could react and get some withdrawal symptoms if you get an implant earlier than that.


    However if you are scared you will relapse then maybe its better to have the implant and put up with any reaction you get.


    A lot of people I know find detoxing from meth is worse than any other detox. Wonder if the person who put you on meth had ever tried to come off it themselves?
     
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    your right withdrawal from meth is alot worse than h its self there has been a few day i did not go to get my script and it was a hell of alot wores then just h detox and thats bad enough.
     
  12. smilla

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    the clinic i go to does the rapid detox method with great succes, actually 99% i think. I am on the naltrexone implant that lasts 2 months. I live in the US and the 2 months implant is the longest one available here...we dont have the 6 month or 1 year implant here. go to www.thecolemaninstitute.com and it will tell you more, it is the clinic i go to for my implants

    p.s. i was already detoxed when i got my implant
     
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    The clinic I work at charges £2000 for an implant that lasts 9-12 months.


    I dont know what that is in dollars.


    see www.thelifebackclinic.co.uk


    [​IMG]Edited by: pogg
     
  14. anna

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    Manydoctors and clinicsare playing with naltrexone but theydo notknownothing about what they are doing, just trying to make money,that's why the consequences are terrible. And this is exactly what happens when you try to give everybody the same treatment, doesn't matter if a person uses vicodine for 2 years,methadone for 1O years or heroin for 3O years.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><O:p></O:p>
    Dr. Waismann from <ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN><ST1:pLACE>Israel</ST1:pLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN> was performing rapid detox procedure about 1O years ago, but after having treated about 2OOO patients he further developed the treatment to ANR, accelerated neuroregulation of opiate dependency. About 7OOO patients already underwent this treatment which is highly effective and humane. ANR includes postmedication - the abovementioned Revia - while each and every patient receives the exact dosage that he/she needs, not more and not less, thats why they dont experience naltrexone side effects, frequently reported by patients after rapid-detox treatments and implants, such as weakness,depression, insomnia nad others. For more info about ANRyou may visit www.megama.comTake care!Edited by: anna
     
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    when i go to my doctors in two weeks time, i am going to get some more definate information on naltraxon. pills and inplants to post on hear i am in the uk, so i dont think it will be of much use to people else where but it might be, who can say.
     
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    my doctor has great success with barely any problems, if any.......used to be an addict himself and for sure knows what he is doing....but here in the US no 6 month or 1 year implant
     
  17. condo_pygmy

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    The implants are still in an experimental stage, & the doctors try to incourage the person into this expensive treatment. Basically it's a scam for the rich.
    I myself would NOT want a pellet the size of a pencil eracer stuck in me !!
    Subutex similar to suboxone can be used & gradually tappered off. I belive after subutex treatment Britloflex a non narcotic (only available in UK) could be used to treat the half life of subutex. Subutex is a way better alternative to methadone tappering !! Methadone is a good mask but leaves the person so dependent on the drug that the relasps rate is so high, maybe a 2% success rate. Subutex has much higher success rate & an honest doctor can get you off narcotic addition.