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Need help FAST for nasal and sinus damage from snorting Pain Pills...

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  1. FaceOnFire

    FaceOnFire Silver Member

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    AFOAF has been snorting vicodin and percocet for a couple years.
    The last couple weeks or so, she has had the worst pain, she has ever experienced, in her nose, sinuses and throat. The ONLY way to make it stop is to snort a pill. Swallowing them DOES NOT work. Its like the coating of powder is what makes it stop. And by the looks of it (up her nose) it appears the mucous membrane is damaged.

    She has been putting neosporin as far up in there as possible, but its not helping AT ALL. She will NEVER be able to quit as long as she has to deal with this unrelenting, excruciating pain. She is finding herself having to snort a pill about every hour or hour and a half (even in the middle of the night the pain wakes her up every hour or so!).

    Obviously, this is completely unsustainable. And she is quite literally about to lose her mind. She WILL NOT go to a dr (she lives in a very small country town where everyone knows everyones business) because the dr would immediately be notifying childrens services and/or the cops or something...she is looking for a way to heal this at home and FAST. Please help my FOAF before she becomes suicidal over this....the pain is so intense, she cannot continue to live like this.
     
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    Your friend needs to bite the bullet and see a doctor. There's never a quick fix for serious medical issues.
     
  3. Dark Mage

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    You need to purchase a nasal cleansing kit, so you can clean out your nasal passages. I had to have a 4 1/2 hour Nasal Surgery at the age of 20 due to snorting H. I had multiple blockages, a deviated septum and tons of polyps. The Doctor said in his 30yrs of experience, he's never seen anything like it. I couldn't breathe out of my nose for a year. You might have no choice but to go to the Doctor, worse case you can blame it on constant use of Nasal Sprays, which cause severe nasal damage over time.
     
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  4. FaceOnFire

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    She doesnt have any blockage at all...just intense burning pain. There is some visible white/yellow patches in the mucosa that are VERY tender. I have read all over the net about other snorters having this problem, but have yet to find anyone with any answers. Quitting is not an option with this level of pain...being that the ONLY thing to stop the pain, instantly I might add, is to snort another pill. Its a vicious cycle....if she can get all the pill residue flushed out of her sinuses, she may go to the dr and just play dumb like "I have no clue what it is..it just started burning one day, etc" but if she cannot get all the "white residue" out, the dr will know for sure whats up, and she wont take that chance. Shes been seeing this same dr for almost 20 yrs....
     
  5. tcoro

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    Face,

    Please tell your friend this:
    Either go to a different doctor in another town, or wash out your sinuses really well before going to be seen.
    Dark's advice of saying you use nasal spray is great, if you don't want to tell the truth. However, you will risk not getting properly treated by leaving critical parts out.

    Just so you know, even if it's a small-everyone-talks kind of town, the doctor can not breach confidentiality. Doing so would be risking losing his/her license to practice medicine, and no doctor would do that just to gossip.

    Secondly, you need to stop snorting pills. It's not going to get better if you continue, probably worse.
    The doctor might recommend you see a ear/nose/throat specialist anyway, but there is not a doctor alive that would recommend you continue to snort - even if it temporarily takes the pain away - it is doing more damage & soon even the pills wont help with the pain.

    good luck to you & please get to a medical professional right away before it becomes a bigger issue.
    tc
     
  6. AKA_freckles

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    Sounds like she might have an abcess or ulcer and need antibiotics. Really, judging by the pain level, it is infected and this can turn septic, your friend needs to suck it up and find help somewhere.

    AKA_freckles added 1 Minutes and 8 Seconds later...

    Can she go to an ER a county over or so?
     
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    No wonder your nose is fucked up. Vicodin (hydrocodone/apap) and Percocet (oxycodone/apap) have tons of acetaminophen in them and each of those pills is probably a gram of powder (the opiate, the apap, and the filler) and you're snorting them every hour? You are going to destroy your sinuses.

    For one, it doesn't matter what you are doing (drug wise), the doctor cannot tell anyone. Period. He would lose his license and be open to all kinds of lawsuites. He is going to take one look at your nose and know what's going on. It's obvious. But it doesn't matter. You will probably be sent to an ENT doctor if the damage is as bad as it sounds.

    You're snorting multiple grams of powder every single day. That is going to ruin your nose. Every pill you snort is making it worse.

    You have to go to the doctor if you want to save your sinuses. You can go in and say you have no idea how it happened or you can go in and say you snort pills all day long. You'll get treated either way.

    Quit snorting pills and go to the fucking doctor. Seriously. Snorting vics and percs is such a horrible idea. It's not like snorting OxyContin or oxy irs.

    I never got how people can stand snorting all that powder.

    Also, you need to worry about your acetaminophen intake. If you're taking multiple grams a day for a long period, you risk liver damage.

    You need to get this habit under control. Stop snorting the pills, get your nose fixed, then start taking the pills orally after doing a CWE on them.

    Also don't say your suicidal on here. We can't deal with those kind of problems. If it's that bad and you absolutley refuse to see that doctor, go to an ER in another town. No car? Pay someone to drive you. No money? You've got plenty of pills.

    You have no excuse to not get this treated. We can't help you anymore then telling you to go to a doctor and wanring you about the dangers of what you're doing.
     
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    First I want to thank all of you for your prompt responses!
    I appreciate every bit of advice you all are offering. I should probably clarify that she isn't truly suicidal, probably a bad choice of words, i was just trying to reiterate the depth of her problem...about just how bad her pain is. I know you are all very right about her needing to see the dr right away.

    She is just so embarrassed that she let herself get in this position. She never did this many pills (every hour to hour and a half) until this pain started. She did, however, go to the ER about a week ago, but only told them about the sore throat (so they didn't look in her nose) and was prescribed Augmentin (antibiotic) for 10 days...the sore throat has cleared up, but the nasal passages all the way up through the sinuses and down behind the uvula have remained on fire (until she snorts another pill, that is). She does know that continued usage is only exaggerating the problem, but when it's the ONLY relief from the torture, its REALLY hard NOT to do.

    I'm about positive that monday, she will flush out really well, and stick her tail between her legs and go on into the dr's office. But I can say, with all confidence, when this nightmare is over, she will NEVER snort another pill again. She doesn't get the same effect from eating them, so she will more than likely just stop using them all together. Again, thank you all so much!
     
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    Just curious, does anyone know WHY snorting the powder STOPS the pain (when eating the pills doesn't)? Its wierd that the powder is what has caused this damage, but yet its the powder that stops the pain. She's going to the dr tomorrow, but is just trying to learn more about this issue in hopes of helping others when this is over for her....

    FaceOnFire added 4 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

    I have done multiple searches on this problem, and have found many many other "snorters" having this exact same problem, but seems they have ran into the same problem as me...there are just no real answers to the questions we have. I just really want to help someone else through this, if I can.
     
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  10. torn2bits

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    I have no true experience..... BUT...

    things I do know are that the "coating" that your nose is getting is probably helping relive pain,even if simply keeping air off or inflaimed mucosa.

    Questions...
    Do you get "instant" relief?

    Do you still use neosporin ointment inside to help?

    Medication wise what have you tried prescription & Over the counter?

    I want to help, as others..If you are detailed in the use & how often during 24 hours you are doing so.
    Reaching out in hopes to help...ToRn
     
  11. trdofbeingtrd

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    Don't mean to sound like a dick, but I guess it will come out that way.

    Yes, there are real answers to the questions you have.

    You are not just physically/psychologically addicted to snorting opiate pills that have binders/fillers in them including acetaminophen, you also have an insufflation addiction. This is a huge difference between just being addicted for physical reasons to a psychoactive substance.

    I noticed once when in the emergency room that when I wanted to smoke my nicotine they told me they wanted me to try the patches first. The patches have nicotine in them, but it didn't matter. My nicotine fix would not be satisfied till I was smoking the nicotine.

    The powder most likely is coating your nasal passages, it's not about the pain medication going into your body, it's about when you go without snorting the pills for a matter of time, the sinuses and nasal passages clear (can't see this being possible soon though) and the opening of the skin is exposed, since it is sore beyond sore it causes excruciating pain. You swallow pills, your addiction to snorting is not appeased, you swallow pills you are not coating those open sores in your outside nasal passages and sinus passages are now coated. Although not most people use opiates (excluding fyntenal ect...) as topical medication, the sinuses are extremely sensitive so when you snort the pills the opiate medication is going to work in the body but start there.

    You won't find that many people who have exact same problem because most people are decent enough to tell other people "Do NOT snort these pills" it's not safe and will cause problems.

    Here is an interesting factoid, you CAN die from your sinuses being plugged. It almost happened to me when I was visiting Florida. For whatever reason my sinuses became terribly clogged, what I didn't know till the doctor saw me was what I had just said. Your sinuses NEED to be able to drain, and while this is just my opinion, it can't help that they are so close to the brain (please correct me if I am wrong here someone).

    You need to get medical help, there is a reason why both veteran and newbie members here are saying this to you......it's true. Flushing your sinuses will not save your liver (as talked about above by MP) pertaining to the acetaminophen you are taking. You are putting the addiction and the fear above your life here.

    GET MEDICAL HELP, anything you say as to why you are not is an excuse. HIPPA makes damn sure you don't have to worry about your reputation. Get help, value your life, stop making excuses, realize that everyone (including me for sure) has issues, put all this into your head and do the right thing.

    Then give an update, we are not being mean, we are TRYING to help you.
     
  12. tcoro

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    Hi Face,

    I am glad to hear that you are going to the Dr - I know that is a hard decision considering the situation - but it's one that might just save your life or at least your face :)

    And like I said before - Please stop snorting! The little bit of relief you get is just doing more damage to a very delicate part of the body.

    As to your question:
    I am not sure about the relief you get from snorting - is it immidiate like you feel relief as soon as the powder hits the nose or is it a few minutes after?
    I am wondering because if its as soon as it hits your nose, thats probably the powder coating making the wound/abcess feel better.
    Snorting (besides IV) is the quickest way to get the drug in your system...so if its a few minutes later, that might be the drugs kicking in.

    It reminds me of the last time I snorted an oxy - I had smashed my hand in a car door, tearing my fingernail & part of my finger clean off. It was very bloody & sooo painful.
    If it had happened at home I never would have thought to snort but it happened at a friend's house - who's favorite ROA was nasal. He chopped me up a line & said here: 'you will feel better in 5 minutes' lol wow he was right! Snorting really gets the job done fast...but I never did that again. (snorting or smashing fingers)

    Anyway, I hope you update & get some relief soon. Good luck to you!
    tc
     
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    I wanna add that I wish you the best & in saying that,the best is seeing the Doctor ASAP is monumental .
    As a infected nose piercing can be fatal if its a Septum piercing..
    See a Doctor "Stay Blessed"....Torn
     
  14. FaceOnFire

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    Torn: Yes i get almost instant relief. And yes, I am still using neosporin but it doesn't seem to be having any effect at all. I have been on augmentin (antibiotic) for almost 8 days (of a 10 day regimine) and have used a sinus flush a couple times over the last few days. I STILL cannot get the "white" out of my nose (way up in there) though.

    trdof: I dont think you sound like a dick at all. I am truly appreciative of your frank honesty. And you are soooo very right about being addicted to the "snort". There have been many times when I would be sick from not having any, and when I would go and get some, I would wait till I got all the way back home to do one because I wanted to crush and snort it...most people wouldve swallowed some immediately, being as sick as I was. But I just don't get what I need from eating them. So, yeah, when this nightmare is over, I'm finished with them. Period.

    I totally wish I wouldve had someone decent enough to tell me how bad snorting them is. Unfortunately, EVERY single person I know that does pain pills, snorts them. I don't know anyone (around here anyway) that eats them...crazy isn't it? And of course, i am the only one of us idiots that is having this nose issue from snorting.

    I most certainly am going to the dr tomorrow (monday). I'm so over this crap. Its misery. I am not really concerned about my reputation so much as the fear that the dr would be "obligated" to contact childrens services because i am "abusing" my pain meds. (Actually happened to my husbands cousin...she went to the dr and asked for help in stopping, and THAT NIGHT, CPS showed up at her house and took her 2 young girls. And his cousin was working and had a nice home and was taking VERY good care of her children...it was ridiculous.) BUT, I am still gonna go. I have no choice at this point. I know I am still at the "healable" stage, so I wanna be healed while I still can be.

    I do not think you all are being mean or anything close to it...I THANK YOU ALL for trying to help! And I will most certainly give updates :)
     
  15. torn2bits

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    Face,
    Bless your heart I imagine the pain is HELL..

    Coating your nose with the POWDER not the pill is relieving the pain or AIR touching your inner nose.

    IMHO,
    Stop using these meds "nasal" wise and use them for true "pain-relief".
    As much as it sounds "foolish"
    STOP using neosporin ointment inside your nose, ointmets that are petroleum based "Vaseline" like....etc,will not allow enough air to heal the mucus membrane.
    This sounds counter productive but discontinue all the "nose" cleaners,ointments,"pills"etc.
    Remove any residue of powders..etc Then the healing will start NOSE wise.

    Be smart dont risk anything that could get your child taken,Go see that doctor let them know about your nose hurting so bad.
    Let them know you thought there was a "soar" in there & you have been putting neosporine in there & for how "long"....
    Fighting for ya but "fight" for "face" for us all ;)...ToRn
     
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    Thanks Torn :) I needed that little vote of confidence! I'm for sure going to the dr tomorrow! I will let you all know what happens afterwards...
     
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    Face,
    How are things?
    I truly hope things ate on the upswing for ya...
    Looking forward to a update when ya can.
    Keep up the fight!!....ToRn
     
  18. FaceOnFire

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    Hey ToRn,
    Thanks for keeping me in mind and checking on me, thats awesome and I honestly appreciate it! The dr couldn't fit me in on monday, unfortunately. But I have an appointment wednesday evening. I dread going but at the same time can't wait to get it over with...I'm so over this crap in my face. I just hope my face doesn't spontaneously combust and melt off my skull before 6 p.m. wednesday ;) I will give an immediate update as soon as I get home (hopefully with some sort of numbing nose spray...THAT would be perfect! Then I could just get through the pain WITHOUT the pills and then just get over the pills themselves, period.) Thanks again :) ~Face
     
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    Face, Very,very glad your going to the Doctor..
    I'm no Doctor buuuuut...
    I betya there is some sort of inner nose antibiotic that's available.

    Please try to STOP the excessive nose cleaning,sniffing and application of ointments out of nose..
    Please....Also keep a eye on your temperature until then....Good luck, love the little children young Mommaaaaaaa...hahaha... ToRn
     
  20. FaceOnFire

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    ToRn, yeah i actually stopped the neosporin a few days ago. It wasnt doing a bit of good anyway...not any better without it either though :/ I have basically just been leaving it alone...however...I AM gonna do a flush before the dr visit this evening just to try one more time to get rid of the white cast/coating that is way up in there. That stuff just will not budge! I think I'm gonna tell her its drywall dust if i can't get it out. Thats about the only thing I can think of besides the God awful truth! Havent had any kind of temp...nothing noticeable anyway. Just face melting pain with acid snot (eewwww!) too much information?! ;) I will be back on here with an update in a few hours....:0 ~Face