Effects - no effects from kratom?

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  1. HATE2FEEL

    HATE2FEEL Silver Member

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    I ordered some red vein borneo kratom from a supposedly reputable vendor. I first took 3 grams, after an hour i took another 3 grams and i reached 12 grams over an hour. I felt nothing at all but my pupils did constrict so soething was happening. Does anybody know why this happened?
     
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    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    You dont give us much to go on.
    Do you use opiates, or have a tolerance?
    Did you take it on an empty stomach?
    How did you take it?
    What sort of research did you do on the vendor?
     
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    I use opiates often so i have a tolerance, i didnt eat for 4 hours, i used the toss and wash method. The vendor was reccomended by many kratom boards

    HATE2FEEL added 4 Minutes and 37 Seconds later...

    I just got my order of premium bali today, i took 6 grams of it 20 mins ago with the toss and wash method, i am definitely feeling some opiate-like effects. I think the problem last time was the vendor and my tolerance was way up
     
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    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Yes, you have opiate tolerance so you are not likely to feel the effects of kratom in doses recommended to people with no tolerance.
     
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    I take mine with freshly squeezed grapefruit juice and it seems to help a lot. I just took 2 grams of red Sumatra with my juice after a 4 week break (from kratom) and feel pretty sweet. I do have a pretty good tolerance from my hydro script as well.

    Try some fresh grapefruit and see if it helps! Also I really ensure I have a totally empty stomach otherwise I get nothing out of any amount.
     
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    Ok thank you for the repiles, i just ordered some more kratom. Last time i got red vein borneo this time i got bali and it worked really well yesterday. I also oredered some white vein borneo does anybody know what dosage of this to take?
     
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    You will have to experiment. Having opiate tolerance you will need to try different doses.
    Start with between 5 and 10 grams as you have already tried up to 12 grams over a few hours.

    Bali is also known as Borneo, it should be similar.
    Red vein is more sedating, white/green vein is more stimulating.
     
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    What is a good dose for stimulating effects
     
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    Like i said above, you will have to experiment.
    Everyone is different and different strains of kratom can be very different, kratom from different vendors can be different too.
    Experiment.
     
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    Would 3 to 4 grams of a white vein type be a good stimulating dose? Its white borneo if that helps.
     
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    Do you know the best way to find out what is a good dose for You to take to feel stimulating effects?
    Experiment.
     
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    I to also am having a problem finding the right amount of kratom.
    I have a opiate tolerance for sure, I have took hydro for about 4 yrs now.
    It takes about 35mgs of hydrocodone for me to feel pretty good.
    I purchased 1oz maenga da and the vendor added 12grams borne white vein to try.
    Started with about 8grms of maenga = nothing then 10grms = nothing
    Went to the borne then 10grms = felt a very very little euphoric/energy/talkative.
    Tried 5grams borne + 5grms maenga = much more of a enhanced sensation as before with just borne.
    Went back to the maenga at 12grms = not much at all again

    So I guess I'm gone have to order another round with a ounce of each above.
    And keep testing by mixing the two types.
    I always did this on a empty stomach first thing in the mornings daily.

    Any ideas on strands to try or anything to try that may help with the effects.
    I'm not in any withdrawals and I don't take the hydro daily now.
    I may take 20 or 25 hydros every other weekend or 3rd weekend.
    I want EVER get hooked back on them again!!
    Thanks ahead for any advice!
    BD16
     
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    Bobby, make sure you are not ordering from head shops or 'legal high' sites.
    If you buy bad kratom it wont matter how much you take.

    If you have a big opiate tolerance then you should not expect to feel much from kratom.
    It can however be helpful should you need help reducing opiate withdrawals.

    Experiment, with strains and with doses.
    There is no magic dose that works for everyone.

    Make sure you use it correctly.
     
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    Thanks for the reply Ian zombie I was hoping you would reply back.
    I got it from what seems to be a reputable online vendor. I will never buy at a head shop.
    I am going to wait 4 or 5 days then try mixing the 2 strains again and see how it goes.
    One of those years I was on the hydro I was taking 8 to 12 a day. So my body and brain
    Has seen some extreme levels a year ago or so.
    So I totally understand if kratom will not have any effect on me. And I would never pay
    The price for that UEI extract LOL would be cheaper to go buy the hydro on the street.

    But thanks again for taking a min to reply. Hoping this kratom will work for me soon.
    What do you think would be a maximum dose would be based on some of the history
    I have with opiates. Last dose was 13grms maenga da, and really had little effect.
     
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    I have no idea what dose you will need.
    13 grams of maeng da is a lot, if you felt nothing from that then you are going to have to experiment.

    You are right to avoid Ultra Enhanced Indo, its potent but pricey and will ruin any tolerance to kratom. Very easy to get addicted to and you would spend a small fortune on it too.