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Opium basics

Discussion in 'Opium & Poppy' started by Alfa, Jun 19, 2005.

  1. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member

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    Please post info and questions on the basics ofopium use here. Ways of use, Dosage, Background, toxicity, etc...
     
  2. MrJim

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    This is from the DEA website:
    The poppy plant, Papaver somniferum, is the source for non-synthetic narcotics. It was grown in the Mediterranean region as early as 5000 B.C., and has since been cultivated in a number of countries throughout the world. The milky fluid that seeps from incisions in the unripe seed pod of this poppy has, since ancient times, been scraped by hand and air-dried to produce what is known as opium. A more modern method of harvesting is by the industrial poppy straw process of extracting alkaloids from the mature dried plant. The extract may be in liquid, solid, or powder form, although most poppy straw concentrate available commercially is a fine brownish powder. More than 500 tons of opium or equivalents in poppy straw concentrate are legally imported into the United States annually for legitimate medical use.

    There were no legal restrictions on the importation or use of opium until the early 1900s. In the United States, the unrestricted availability of opium, the influx of opium-smoking immigrants from East Asia, and the invention of the hypodermic needle contributed to the more severe variety of compulsive drug abuse seen at the turn of the 20th century. In those days, medicines often contained opium without any warning label. Today, there are state, federal, and international laws governing the production and distribution of narcotic substances.
    Although opium is used in the form of paregoric to treat diarrhea, most opium imported into the United States is broken down into its alkaloid constituents. These alkaloids are divided into two distinct chemical classes, phenanthrenes and isoquinolines. The principal phenanthrenes are morphine, codeine, and thebaine, while the isoquinolines have no significant central nervous system effects and are not regulated under the CSA.
     
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  3. MrJim

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    con't...

    Morphine is the principal constituent of opium and ranges in concentration from 4 to 21 percent. Commercial opium is standardized to contain 10-percent morphine. In the United States, a small percentage of the morphine obtained from opium is used directly (about 20 tons); the remaining is converted to codeine and other derivatives (about 110 tons). Morphine is one of the most effective drugs known for the relief of severe pain and remains the standard against which new analgesics are measured. Like most narcotics, the use of morphine has increased significantly in recent years. Since 1998, there has been about a two-fold increase in the use of morphine products in the United States.
    Morphine is marketed under generic and brand name products including MS-Contin®, Oramorph SR®, MSIR®, Roxanol®, Kadian®, and RMS®. Morphine is used parenterally (by injection) for preoperative sedation, as a supplement to anesthesia, and for analgesia. It is the drug of choice for relieving the pain of myocardial infarction and for its cardiovascular effects in the treatment of acute pulmonary edema. Traditionally, morphine was almost exclusively used by injection. Today, morphine is marketed in a variety of forms, including oral solutions, immediate and sustained-release tablets and capsules, suppositories, and injectable preparations. In addition, the availability of high-concentration morphine preparations (i.e., 20-mg/ml oral solutions, 25-mg/ml injectable solutions, and 200-mg sustained-release tablets) partially reflects the use of this substance for chronic pain management in opiate-tolerant patients.



    Codeine is the most widely used, naturally occurring narcotic in medical treatment in the world. This alkaloid is found in opium in concentrations ranging from 0.7 to 2.5 percent. However, most codeine used in the United States is produced from morphine. Codeine is also the starting material for the production of two other narcotics, dihydrocodeine and hydrocodone. Codeine is medically prescribed for the relief of moderate pain and cough suppression. Compared to morphine, codeine produces less analgesia, sedation, and respiratory depression, and is usually taken orally. It is made into tablets either alone (Schedule II) or in combination with aspirin or acetaminophen (i.e., Tylenol with Codeine®, Schedule III). As a cough suppressant, codeine is found in a number of liquid preparations (these products are in Schedule V). Codeine is also used to a lesser extent as an injectable solution for the treatment of pain. Codeine products are diverted from legitimate sources and are encountered on the illicit market.

    Thebaine, a minor constituent of opium, is controlled in Schedule II of the CSA as well as under international law. Although chemically similar to both morphine and codeine, thebaine produces stimulatory rather than depressant effects. Thebaine is not used therapeutically, but is converted into a variety of substances including oxycodone, oxymorphone, nalbuphine, naloxone, naltrexone, and buprenorphine. The United States ranks first in the world in thebaine utilization.

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    Opiate-based syrups were once popular for treating children with teething and dysentery. </CENTER>
     
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  4. bogumil

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    You should eat 0.5 g when you use O the first time. About 2g are letal. Edited by: bogumil
     
  5. Muirner

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    I have personally enjoyed smoking opium. I liked to smoke black tar because this gave me the best high. I would usually smoke about 1/2 a gram to a gram depending on how many people. If there was 5 of us 1/2a gram could work good. I know that black tar opium is synthetic but it's a good time none the less. You want to sit back and just enjoy life, I never wanted to do much as far as movement because i felt heavy and lazy.

    I have smoked personlly probably about an oz or two of black tar. and i've also smoked red rock, wich is supposidly fake. But who knows


    Muirner
     
  6. armatitumor

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    It kind of frightens me that a good starting dose is so close to a lethal dose.
     
  7. Ketamina

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    SWIM is one of those people who seems to always end up with stomach cramps and often vomits with morphine. However, that is via injection (IM) and SWIM now has some of those little grey morphine tablets. As SWIM mentioned in another similar post, SWIM would imagine taking tablets orally would induce the same symptoms.

    Does anyone have any tips or tricks to avoid the stomach cramps and vomitting? SWIM read drinking milk with them to help avoid it, but while milk has an immediate soothing feeling, after a while (when the milk is being digested) it actually can worsen stomach conditions in people with ulcers or sensitive stomachs in general. SWIM doesn't have a typical sensitive stomach, but SWIM also hasn't had a drink of milk in over two years, to aide in better nutrition (a long story for another day on a more appropriate forum).

    Anyway, any ideas, tips and tricks to avoid the stomach problems would add a lot to this thread.
     
  8. sands of time

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    Here is some info on the neurologic effects of morphine...

    The brain has what are called opiate receptors. Neurotransmitters called endorphins or endogonous (sp?) morphine fit in these receptors, thus providing pain releif and euphoria in high doses. A runners high could be an example of a high dose of endorphins. Morphine is chemically similar to endorphins so it acts on the same receptors. When the body gets used to a steady dose of morphine, the production of endorphins drops dramatically. When morphine is not available, a withdrawl occurs until the brain begins producing endorphins again.
     
  9. rachamim18

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    Well, whan I was in Thailand and Mynamarr the locals used to take a pea sized piece of raw opium, roll it in various phrmaceutical opioid powder, then just plop it into an opium pipe and charge naive tourists an arm and a leg.

    I am heading to Cambodia in a matter of days and expect to take a jog up to Laos. Laos is currently the oinly place on the planet where you can find an actual opium den in operation. In Laos the owner of the den will heat the raw opium over a candle just until it is pliable and able to be molded. they then rollit in headache powders [such as "Goody's"] in the belief that doing so prevents users from getting the all to common post smoking headache. After the powder is kneaded into the gum, they again heat it just a bit and fashion it into cones [such as incense cones] and let it it sit for a minute or so., they then dip the "needle" into the cone and drop it onto the "bowl" ONLY after the bowl has been thoroughly preheated over the same candle. You see, you do not apply a flame to the gum. It is like smoking freebase coke, you heat the pipe and then drop in the target.
     
  10. rachamim18

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    Black tar is not opium and it is not synthetic. It is simply heroin, from Mexico. Heroin is of course semi synthetic. Opium is converted into morphine, then acetylated into heroin. With tar however, there is no imtermediate conversion to morphine. the cook just acetylates the raw opium into heroin. It can be smoked due to its latex nature but is nothing at all like smoking opium. Briefly, opium has over 40 known alkaloids in it while illicit heroin might have 3 at best and usually only has 2.
     
  11. mikey york

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    How do they process the raw opium taken from the plant, and turn it into the stuff you smoke ?
     
  12. anabolictrio

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    you don't really need to process the raw material taken from the plant.
    Just milk,collect raw opium and let it dry under a small fan for some times.
     
  13. genaro

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    what would be a good (strong) ORAL dose of raw opium for someone with no tolerance to opiates ? Maybe 1/2g I guess....maybe a little more?

    What would be a good SMOKED dose ?

    I heard one would need more when smoking than when ingesting raw opium, is that true? I was convinced that any substance should be twice as powerful when smoked so oral dose would always be twice higher than smoked dose, but ther was this text somewhere on erowid stating that you need more when smoking.

    How many times more powerful is refined opium compared to raw opium ? Twice stronger maybe?



    By the way, here are some opium facts:
    Usually, a single poppy capsule should yield 20 to 50mg raw opium (and one single plant will give you some 15-20 capsules) ...but once the opium has been collected by incising the capsule on several occasions, you can still use the dried plant and capsule (which still contain some morphine) to make some extraction (with water or drinkable alcohol) which will give you some kind of low grade opium (which is known as "opium jam" or "rachacha").
    Note that raw opium can be turned into refined opium by a simple water (or drinkable alcohol) extraction.
    Opium contains 8 to 15% morphine ...but also 4-8% noscapine, 0.8-2.5% codeine (aka methylmorphine), 0.5-2.5% papaverine , 0.5-2% thebaine (and a few other minors alkaloids)
    85 to 96% alcohol (drinkable!) is probably a very good solvant for any opium refining (to be sure use 250mL for some 6g of raw opium)...using boiling alcohol would increase solubility.
    According to the Merck Index, morphine melting point is 197°C (I would have thought the mp was lower, anyone can confirm it?)
    So raw opium is collected from opium poppies (papaver somniferum). Morphine can be extracted from opium. And heroine (aka diacetylmorphine) is synthetised from morphine.
    Avoid mixing alcohol with opium (or with any other opiates) as opiate+ alcohol = vomitting + risk of respiratory depression (which can leads to coma and death if one would drink too much alcohol with the opium, so if you really wanna drink stick to one single beer). Also don't ever mix opiates with depressants such as benzos, sedatives, tranquillizers, sleep aid and such. Also note that opium is addictive (all opiates are), regular users will devellop tolerance to the stuff and some strong mental and phsyical addiction (opium withdrawal does exist, and it's said to be a hard time) so try not using opium too regularly.
     
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  14. Alicia

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    Swims boy suggest you place dried opium (thats scraped from pod) on foil,
    start with a small matchstick sized piece heat the foil underneath not so its touching it as it sizzles suck up the vapors from a straw, I have no idea regarding eating it, and seems more risky. As for withdrawal it does hurt like hell flu like symptoms not nice.
     
  15. dokter_bob

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    Papaver somniferum is the one you want....collecting the latex is a funny job but you need sooooooooooooooooooooo many poppies! I've yealt about 40/50 poppies to get as little as 2 gram raw opium....


    By the way...wenn you cut the poppies and the latex is coming out in drops,They're called 'tears of demeter' (when they turned brown)
    They're called like that because when demeter lost her daughter persephone to hades, she went to find releave for her pain in the cave of morpheus, where he gave her poppies to comfort her...

    Mythologie learnes a great deal about the use of a lot of drugplants.

    cheers
     
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  16. Bajeda

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    To the person who asked about the smoked dose, it varies depending on the effects you want.

    It depends on the opium, but 1/2 gram is good to put in a joint with some cannabis to get 5 people high and euphoric. 2 grams smoked will do a few people pretty well.

    You can go even higher but swim doesn't recommend it as it goes from a nice giddy euphoric high to a mind crushing lethargy where the user is passing out and having trouble controlling their body. If you want the total narcotic high just keep smoking bowls until you feel at the level you want to be. Swim recommends just mixing fairly small amounts with marijuana for maximum enjoyment however.
     
  17. themidnite1

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    Have not had time to read all replies but.....

    does SWIY watch Deadwood? Laudanum? Real popular in the 1800's and going WAY back further. Bottle of dope? Pure opium they would use a dropper a mix with water and drink.
    Bag of dope? Pure opium, put THAT in their pipe and smoke it.
    Not too much info, but DW is quite historically accurate. SIGH....all that was legal and cheap back then.
    SWIM has never tried opium, but would love once chance to smoke a pipe.
     
  18. Alicia

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    The uses and use of Papaver Somniferum , The Opium Poppy

    The uses and use of Papaver Somniferum , The Opium Poppy Part I
    By Swia and Boyo References

    The opium poppy contains a number of alkaloids the ones mainly used for medical and recreational uses are Morphine and codeine the other alkaloids add to the experience with opium however morphine and codeine are the more prevalent.

    Plant Growth

    The seeds themselves are small often kidney shaped they can be blue light,brown,red depending poppy strain. They can be scattered with sand over an area of soil to help distribution due to there size.The plants themselves when grown in soil can be difficult and more sensitive to transplant compared to other plants they seem to more delicate around the roots as well.

    The poppy growth tends to look like a cabbage in the beginning with in its leafs, during its vegetative state but in some ways like cannabis the longer it is left at this stage the bigger the yield it will be in flowering. Bearing in mind like cannabis it can be forced to flower at any age .They also seem to go into suspended animation when there light needs or temperature is not met until such times when it comes back. They grow essentially like weeds with or without any little effort even leaving them in a plant pot by a window sil can grow it is also a good idea to pull out excess seedlings so u may have one per say square feet as else they will just fight for nutrients from chosen grow medium they can be grown indoors as well swia was told that a vegetative growth light schedule works like this 12 hours On / 12 hours Off . to Flower it would be 18 hours On /6 hours off. Depending on plant strain it is essentially the reverse for the cannabis life cycle. You could leave the light on 24 hours and produce small poppy pods these of course can still be used.

    The Pod uses.

    Harvesting Raw Opium
    After the the pods petals have dropped of, it is best to wait til the poppy pods take on a frosted look outside the poppy pod.

    Swia herself hates using knifes to cut the poppy pods as if cut to deeply the pod will no longer seep but rather the opium seeps back into the wound and clogs up. Swia prefers to use a small a butter knife with loads of sewing needles about half a centimeter apart taped to the knife. Holding the pod carefully you would take your time and carefully press the needles against the pod as you do this you will little blobs starting to appear swia likes to hold the poppy pod at angle so the raw opium does not run down the pod do this half away around the pod, you have to have patience when you do this. Once done proceed to the next pod beening careful not to touch raw opium as this needs to dry. Do this to all the pods You also want to pick a day where u have time and also preferably when it wont rain either as this will ruin what you have been doing, warm days are best.
    Now you scrape all the dry opium carefully of with the knife by removing the tape pins, depending on how much pods u have to deal with Swia likes to put the collect opium on to big spoon. Leave the pods we’ll come back to them later ;)

    Raw opium can be used as is but has a load of plant materials and other nasty bits. Yuk.

    Once collected, warm but not boiling water is placed in a saucepan the spoon that has all your raw opium that has been harvested is now put in the water and stirred round till all of the raw opium has been dissolved keep stirring until all the residue is off the spoon the water will turn a brown or dark color depending on poppy strain. This allowed to completely cool and is then filtered through a coffee filter or something similar the liquid beening kept this is now essentially opium tea that will be much stronger the poppy pod tea. If this were to be simmered to a small amount of liquid it would become more and more concentrated. However once the liquid is filtered we pour into a glass baking dish this is then placed near a monitor or some TV screens, Not a LCD screen. It could also be left under a grow light or fan blowing over it, Swia uses her Emacs. (Being careful of electrical hazards to mind.) The idea is the heat of the monitor will gradually evaporate the liquid to a residue which will be stuck to the glass dish and with help from a razor can be scraped. This is now “smoking opium” or “refined opium” it has stronger effect then raw opium and can be dosed more easily, used to make laudanum/tea/ or smoked as is

    Once all the pods have been harvested, they can be cut off and kept to dry. the seeds will drop as well so it s best to let them dry some where they can be collected. Once bone dry the pods can be powered using a blender or weed bud grinder just make sure to clean it out after wards.

    Poppy pod tea

    Once the pods have been powdered they can be seeped in a warm water like before with the raw opium and left to cool. Then filtered.Also u can make make “cooked opium” and “refined opium” with this method as well it will not be as strong as using raw opium but can still used. Before being drunk. Swia for her own interest cannot say a starting dose due to the fact that everyone is different both with all sorts of factors like build, tolerance etc... heres goes anyway

    The stems can when dry also be used to to make tea they have to be powdered as well this will be weaker also,. Swia has no experience with making tea from leaves however she drys them and powders to mix in with her herbal cannabis joints. Which creates a instant nod effect. But with lush feelings of the weed.
    The Tea will be bitter almost really bad to get down as well so honey and anything else u can use to help u gulp it down is a must. personnel swia does’nt seem to mind it. Also u may puke as well but this will only happen the 1st time u do it as you get used to it afterwords. Also always do it on an empty stomach. This will also help,and not have as much nausea as well.

    Better to be safe then sorry
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    The uses and use of Papaver Somniferum , The Opium Poppy Part II


    Smoking opium
    This can be done in a number of ways, the most traditional was the opium pipe introduced mainly by the chinese, however there are other ways of smoking opium. Opium should never be heated directly like in the way cannabis is smoked instead it more sort of heated gently to release the vapours from it which is inhaled.


    Smoking opium can be achieved by using foil in the same method for smoking heroin. This is done by placing the cooked opium on to a piece of foil yeh thats right it the same foil thats used for your sandwiches.
    a lighter is used or a candle, which is held beneath the foil a straw or tube is then held in your mouth which would then used to inhaled through as the vapors come from opium off the foil, it is also important to not have flame touching the foil rather then just a few centimeters away.

    or it can be used in a glass pipe heating the glass pipe on the outside, and inhaling as u do. like in someways similar to crack.

    Other ways of taking opium

    Cooked opium as we covered can be smoked and if dried and powdered enough can be snorted as well and of course drunk made from a tea from it. It can also be mixed with alcohol this is essentially laudanum which is opium that has been allowed to be soaked in it. this works well with strong alcohol. Swia personnel favorite is to mix it in with her absinth after she has done the sugar-cube and added water sometimes she will place a blob of opium in a big round spoon added with a small amount of absinth and heat it underneath so that it dissolves before mixing it in with her absinth the Alcohol speeds delivery to the bloodstream as a result it is also more easier to overdose specially if you are using strong alcohol like whiskey or vodka. Swia also finds pipette bottles useful for this so she can add to her drinks rather then go through the process each time.

    Poppy tea can also be used as well to make laudanum from too.

    Opium can also be held under the tongue for a more quicker onset due to it absorbing through, and eaten orally, placed into gel-caps if u do not like the taste.

    Links
    Poppy bits and pieces
    http://www.drugs-forum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=1689&ppuser=2310
    Laudanum Recipes
    http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15954&highlight=laudanum
     
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  20. genaro

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    some more opium production info:

    Considering one capsule will yeld from 20 to 50mg raw opium when incised, and considering one plant bear some 15-20 capsules, then it's not interesting to cultivate less than 25 to 50 plants which would allow one to collect 7.5 to 50g of raw opium by incising capsules
    ...of course, once capsules have been incised on several occasions and all the raw opium from a plant have been collected, one can still crush the remaining capsules from that plant and extract it to get some low quality opium ('opium jam'), unfortunately, I couldn't say how much low grade opium he would be able to get by doing this (as most of it will have already been collected through incisions preceding extraction).
    Now what I can say is how much low grade opium you can get by extracting all the capsules of a single plant without having incised any:
    3 to 5g of 'opium jam' were extracted from 20 capsules (that hadn't been precedently incised to collect any raw opium from these, that's why the 'opium jam' yield was important).

    after some experimenting with opium jam, it turned out that common oral dose is 0.5g (good dose to start with), but some people will rather eat 1g (I've seen people taking a bit more, but I think this should be avoided).
    It can also be smoked but it's much less potent this way.

    So when you're growing opium, you will have to decide whether you're going to incise capsules to get raw opium and then extract these to get some more remaining 'opium jam' from these, or if you're going to directly extract capsules to get 'opium jam' only (no incisions beeing made to collect raw oium first).

    note that collecting raw opium will allow you to transform it into high quality refined opium (through a simple water or alcohol extraction) which is the best for smoking. While opium jam is probably more suitable for oral use rather than smoking.