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Dose - oramorph oral solution

Discussion in 'Morphine' started by FuzzyDuck, Aug 5, 2010.

  1. FuzzyDuck

    FuzzyDuck Newbie

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    Swim is in possession of 100ml if 10mg/5ml of oral solution morphine along with an oral syringe... what dosage should swim take based on the fact that swim has no previous tolerance to opiates though he has tried codeine on a number of occasions and enjoys the opiate experience? Also, would plugging be an option with this oral solution?
     
  2. coolhandluke

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    for a non tolerant opiate user it is recommended that swiy uses 10 mg orally, and 5 mg rectally

    http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12351

    this solution would work rectally ( though swim has no personal experience with that solution, he thinks it would would rectally ). swim suggests following the dosage guidelines from that thread, and if the desired effects do not happen, then bump the dose up by 5 mg at a time. please be careful, swim thinks for a opiate naive person, oral use should suffice. be safe. after getting an idea of how swiy reacts to this dosage, then he may be able to experiment with the dosage a little.
     
  3. missparkles

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    Sparkles would have to say be very careful with plugging, cos having taken codeine SWIY is still opiate naive, as far as morphine is concerned. Try it orally to begin with and no more than 10 mgs, cos it's possible to add more, taking some away is not as simple is it? Maybe make sure SWIY has someone with them the first time, ok?

    Sparkles.:vibes:
     
  4. FuzzyDuck

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    My friend emailed me in response to a similar situation - here is the email from him:

    I've done morphine orally over the last 4 days, what an amazing experience! I started off with a 210mg dosage of codeine with some degree of tolerance and took 10mg of morphine about 30 mins in after i was able to judge the effects of the codeine. About 30 mins later i felt only weak effects from the morphine so I took another 10mg. the effects crept up on me but reached a peak after an hour of the second dosage when i decided to lay in bed listening to music. It was such an intense experience, my body felt like it was wrapped in a blanket of happiness and my soul was just engulfed in complete contentedness. I can see how people get addicted to easily... For about 5 hours i was just lying there wide awake with a big grin on my face, with waves of euphoria hitting me then easing off. I will never forget the experience but I must also be watchful of my usage, the potential is there not only for overdose but of addiction. I don't think i will use it more than 3-4 more times because its just so goddamn intense!
     
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    10mgs doesnt seem like very much at all.
    Swim got his hands on some ordine 5 today 5mg/ml not sure how much to take tho he has some tolerance to opiates not morphine though.
    also anyone know how to convert this to a powder form?
     
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    sorry about hijacking the thread but my pet armadillo has some oramorph and he recently came across a brand new sealed needle and syringe and he would like to know if it would be possible to put around 20mg morphine from oramorph solution in his syringe and iv for the 1st and only time. The armadillo told me that he would never have considered doing this before but since he came across his apparatus, he more and more would luv to know what iv morphine would be like. So would this be safe or would some sort of extraction be necessary. Also he takes 80mg ms contin daily so would he have to reduce the iv dose or does 15mg seem ok. Thanks for any info. My armadillo likes to be safe.
     
  7. BlondieUK

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    my cat is on 120ng of oxy a day.. he recently an operation on his arm and as a result now has 100mg of oramorph to use.. he experimented with drawing up 5ml into a syringe and injecting it.. swim then nodded for a good 2-3 hours, swim is unsure whether this is safe or not, but it works.. some health and safety advice/knowledge would be good here..
     
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    Blondie...

    Take the meds as prescribed, that should give your friend a really nice feeling. Nice enough anyways. IV ing this solution is just gonna leave them with a taste (and craving) to repeat the experience. And quite possibly a needle fixation to deal with into the bargain. Just spreading some harm reduction around.

    Take care and stay safe.

    Sparkles.:vibes:
     
  9. django47

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    If you got a brain in your head, you will forget all about banging up oramorph or any other opiate thats not meant to be injected. Their are other things you gotta take into account before you can work out how much you should use without killing yourself. Asking DF members is dangerous coss everyone is different and they aint qualified to give medical advice.
    It wont kill ya to go without but the alternative just might. I don't wanna sound like a killjoy but you shouldn't fuck around with anything you aint absolutely sure of. I lost too many friends who went way before their time and morphine is not a drug to experiment with.
     
  10. FlyHigher

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    My pet pig was on oral morphine liquid (ORDINE: 10mg/ml) up to 300 mg (30mls) a day (half in the AM, half at night) due to a severe spinal injury and subsequent surgery. Piggy was on such high doses for nearly 3 years. Piggy says withdrawing from morphine after only using it orally was a nightmare. Piggy presumes it would have been even harder to get off if he had been stupid enough to start IV'ing his prescription medication. By the way, if you are going to take morphine solution for the first time (oral) be PREPARED FOR THE TASTE!!!! Piggy says it's like drinking pure hydrochloric acid!!! Piggy says he found following the oral dose with something acidic, such as orange juice or lemonade, neutalizes the taste pretty quickly.
     
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    I was prescribed at one point 25mcg/h of Fentanyl patch plus upto 60mg per day of oramorph (liquid morphine). Personally i found the 10mg/5ml to be ok in taste and helpful with pain tho the more i had the more i felt i need. Luckily i dont seem to be addicted to the stuff and have been clean now for nearly 1 month. I do take codeine now upto 8 x 30mg a day if needed for my FM/Arthritus. My advice to the OP would be to just be careful especially anything to do with IV'ing this med. I am so damn lucky i decided myself to go back to the weaker opiods before it was too late. I know a lot of people cant for different reasons but as django47 says you dont know what could happen with liquids not meant for IV!
    Stay safe & Best Wishes.
     
  12. Petri6

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    Considering that Oramorph also has methyl and propyl parahydroxybenzoate as inactive ingredients and what's worse also 10 % vol of ethanol in the solution. As we all know, plugging alcohol is very stupid and dangerous. So, taking all this into consideration, how dangerous it would be to plug this product? And also, how much of liquid would it be reasonably possible to plug at one time as the product only contains 2mg/ml of morphine and the individual contemplating this has a high opioid tolerance. This would mean that the optimum would be around 50ml, is this even a feasible amount to plug?
     
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    50ml of 10% alcohol is totally safe in the butt. There is no good reason to be worried about the equivelant of half an average beer.

    Assuming you can handle a beer with your opiate dose. I assume people plugging usually have a habit to some degree.
     
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    Yes, the amount of alcohol per se does not concern me at the least (this should not be construed in a way that I would in any way condone using alcohol or any other CNS depressants with opioids). What concerns me are the stories about serious damage to colon resulting from plugging alcohol. But if that is small enough amount of alcohol to not cause said damage (and assuming that the other ingredients are also safe to plug) then there shouldn't be any problem with going through with this plan. This also assuming that said amount of liquid could be effectively absorbed from the colon. This is actually my first time plugging (and yes, I'm going to go familiarise myself with the subject before going through with this) and the reason for contemplating this is the very low bioavailability of morphine through other routes of administration, the limited supply of it and my considerable opioid tolerance.
     
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    I don't know whether I should post a new post or not (so if moderators want to merge this to my last post, feel free to do that). I ended up plugging 10 ml of this solution so 20 mg of morphine in total. The only problem I had with this was the fact that, as I said, it was my first time plugging and even though I read from the plugging instructions that you should push the syringe all the way in, at one point I thought it was deep enough, although it wasn't, so a couple of milliltres or something like that probably leaked out. But the rest of the liquid absorbed quite nicely and the 10 % vol alcohol content didn't produce any unwanted side effects or damage to my colon (although, as I said, the amount of liquid was probably something like 9 millitres at best). But this was my own experience so that can't be extrapolated into saying that there couldn't be problems if a more substantial amount of the liquid is plugged.

    I have to add, as I previously mentioned my high tolerance to opioids, that I also acquired 200 mgs worth of 10 mg/ml oxycodone oral solution. This, however, I ended up taking orally because of the relatively high bioavailability of oral oxycodone. So all in all, I started with approximately 100mg of oral oxycodone about 20 minutes before plugging the 20 mgs of morphine. Then an hour after plugging the morphine I took approximately 30 mg more of the oral oxycodone (I have also taken 450mg of pregabalin and 50mg of cyclizine to boost the efficacy of said opioids). And now I'm more high than I've been for quite a while and the mixture of oxycodone and morphine has the appropriate amount of both euphoria and heavier, sedating nod producing feeling (which oxycodone by itself usually lacks for me).

    In conclusion, plugging approximately 9ml of Oramorph 2mg/ml morphine oral solution containing the inactive ingredients mentioned in my previous post (mainly the 10 % vol of ethanol) produced no negative side effects for me. Also, please don't use this post as any sort of dosing guideline (as I have a relatively high tolerance to both opioids and pregabalin) and remember that combining an opioid with another CNS depressant (including a different opioid) always carries a very significant risk of adverse effects including a possibly fatal overdose.