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OTC opiate high?

Discussion in 'Opiates & Opioids' started by pillpopper96743, Jan 2, 2008.

  1. pillpopper96743

    pillpopper96743 Silver Member

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    I want to know if there are any OTC's that can give you an opiate high
    (or anything simillar) except for T-3's? Because other threads that I have read says the only OTC that you can use is ROBO or any cough syrup with high quantities of DXM in it.
     
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    moda00 R.I.P. Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Kratom (never tried it) has been found to bind to opiate receptors. Not OTC in the true sense, but not illegal and easy enough to obtain. Also, I've heard in some locations you can legally buy cough syrups or pills containing small amounts of codeine OTC- not where I live, but worth looking into- this will give an opiate high. Another choice, again not OTC in the strict sense, but have you heard of poppy tea? This is the opiate high in the most traditional sense- direct from the opium poppy. Never tried this either, but apparently effective. DXM and other dissociatives- may be chemically related to opiates?- but I has tried both diacetylmorphine IV and insufflated, and many synth and semi-synth opoids, and she would not compare the dxm "robo-trip" to an opiate high in any significant way. Just swim's two cents worth..

    EDIT: Found this by INodHardOhYeah on the opioid potentiation thread- don't know any more info on the topic, but worth looking into:
    [SIZE=-1]Loperamide (Immodium): This drug is related to meperidine/pethidine (Demerol) but does not cross the blood-brain barrier in sufficient quantities to cause euphoria. However, the consumption of doses of 150-300% of the therapeutic dose when mixed with high doses of codeine or meprobamate have been reported to produce a weak Darvon-like buzz aside from the effects of the other drugs.
     
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  3. pillpopper96743

    pillpopper96743 Silver Member

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    Thanks. I would definetely try poppy tea and krantom-(spelling?). But where the fuck would you get poppy tea from? I would go looking for it in chinatown. From what I have experienced, DXM aint that great for an OP high. I did a robot walk all the way home from the theater and tripped out though. :laugh:
     
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    I have seen recipes to make it yourself, actually. If You has a local natural foods store or bulk foods section, You could likely buy the seeds in bulk.. or possibly order from some sort of ethnobotany/herbal highs site online.. this may be a better idea if you have a cc and mailing address, as they are less likely to be treated with pesticides or adulterants.. I amn't an expert, but she knows she's read something about different seeds being used for "OTC highs" having possible chemical residues- this might have been related to a thread on morning glory seeds, more likely methinks, but check to be sure. That said, I think You would be fine using normal, store-bought poppy seeds. I don't have an exact recipe, but I think if You googled it or checked around on the related forums, someone would know an effective and palatable method of making it. Best of luck!!
     
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    Thanks alot for the advice! I will soon go to the local grocery or health food store and pick some up. I have just called one of his friends up and got a recipe. Its pretty simple too.
    One more question though. Does the tea produce the same effects as the tar that SWIM smokes? Or does it give a dulled opium effect like a painkiller buzz like My friend said?
     
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    Beware that one should never rely on poppy seeds as the sole source of opiates if one is opiate dependent or plans on using frequently. Potency can vary widely, so with a new product or even a new package, one should assay low doses first to check potency. The frequency of doing this can be kept to a minimum of one buys in bulk from a single source.

    www.poppyseedtea.com
     
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    pillpopper96743 Silver Member

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    Thanks for the heads up. I will definetly start with a very low dose and work his way up for a good high, and check for the potency of morphine in the seeds before starting. Hats off to you, Jigsaw.
     
  8. donzen

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    DXM does actually not give you a opiate high because its just a strong dissociative like PCP.
    just go to the doctor and tell him you need something against your dry cought and codeine or DHC worked very good for you in the past.

    I live in Germany where you can buy large bags of poppy seeds for baking cakes or something like that - than he just puts a bag in cold water shakes it a little, filters it and drinks the shit- it works because the seeds are actually contaminated with alkaloides and gives you a very strong narcotic high.

    hope that helps someone

    best regards
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    Sorry i thought that the "tea" above was poppy-tea :confused:
    because in germany we call tea a hot drink and after the stuff (seeds) is soaked with water the taste is absolutely disgusting and heating does not make any sense because the alkaloides are on and not in the seeds.

    here we just do a fast cold water +citrate extraction :thumbsup:

    Here we have a list with analyses of most batches from different companies,
    so we have a idea about how much of what is inside the package so its not too dangerous for someone thats famillar with opiates but its nothing for opiate naives.

    (im new here..)
     
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    I simply don't care what anyone says. Imodium does give off opiate like feelings, and it ABSOLUTELY gives off opiate withdrawals. I am currently going through them now after hearing over and over how good imodium was for opiate withdrawals.

    Turned out with a bit more research that they are actually an opiate.

    The big debate is the brain blood barrier. It could just be that not everyone feels an opiate like feeling from the loperamide (generic imodium, much cheaper), but I can tell you 100% that it did affect me that way. And it's not a placebo affect because I felt the opiate feelings before reading they were an opiate.
     
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    OTC Codeine if your in one of the several states that allow the sale of Cheratussin AC from behind the counter, or if you're in the UK or Canada. Loperamide in doses of about 80mg get me super high... definite opiate high.
     
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    all u need to do is do what i did when i was 8, get appendicitis and youll get morphine...lots of it

    dont try otcs to get high except dxm because that is an amazing drug as they are more dangerous than most people think they are

    just because u can buy it at a pharmacy doesnt make it safe
     
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    I use Robitussin gels and they have a similar impact. Still not as good as oxy, she says, but a worthwhile substitute.

    k8cobain added 2 Minutes and 25 Seconds later...

    Lucky dog...and you were too young to even know! Hahaha...
     
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    Where I live they sell certain brand of cough syrup which contains 15mg of codeine phosphate per 5ml of syrup. the bottles are 200ml so thats 600mg of codeine in each bottle ;) since it is OTC im not incriminating myself when i say that usually 450mg gives me a nice warm dopey feeling and sometimes even 600mg
    but for a first timer I would suggest starting with 180mg and work your way up from there if you need to =)
    Always remember you can always take more but you can never go back once you have ingested it .
    Stay safe :) I hope this post has helped
     
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    You are sick. Lucky to get appendicitis because they got painkillers out of it? Too young to know what?
     
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    It's not OTC but you can get Dihydrocodeine prescribed fairly easily* (complaints of severe lower back pain having tried all other OTC painkillers usually works) but be careful, even low potency opiates can be very addictive. It might start you off down a path you don't want to end up on.]

    *Apologies, this refers to the UK specifically - I'm not sure about other countries...
     
  17. laura714

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    Indeed, there is 600mg codeine phosphate per bottle of Codeine Linctus BP, available OTC at any pharmacy.
    However, if you are drinking the amounts you say, you are wasting drug and money - codeine is one of those drugs which has a CEILING past which one will be unable to metabolise any more; I believe, though don't quote me on this cos I haven't actually checked, that the ceiling for codeine is around 180mg. No point, then, in taking any more than that.
    I should check on Wikipedia or somewhere like that.
    But kudos for the HR advice anyway.
    Whatever, you will find it there, or at least a link to somewhere that WILL tell you.
    The codeine derivatives dihydrocodeine tartrate and dihydrocodeineone bitartrate (aka hydrocodone bitartrate, unavailable in Europe since the withdrawal of DICODID brand 10mg antitussive tablets in 2007/8 by Knoll) especially the latter, haven't got the same kind of ceiling, meaning you CAN take a lot more. Dicodid was Rx only, and dihydrocodeine is OTC only up to 10mg (M&A make that strength) or as some sources have it, 7.46mg, and then only when in combination with acetaminophen (aka paracetamol), which is still max 500mg/unit in the UK, whereas in the USA, a more sensible policy - which does not prevent companies dosing maximum apap when each 15mg hydrocodone requires only c.65mg max for any kind of synergistic effects - that has been reduced to 300mg. Acetaminophen is one of the most dangerois and toxic drugs on the market and I can not believe that it is available in such dosages and such quantities (UK max 24 tablets per pack, USA negates all the good done by max unit dosage by still permitting huge industrial size packs to be bought).
    Hydrocodone was never sold in a combination here, but in the US I believe the only brand which does NOT contain the antipyretic is Zogenix ZOHYDRO, an SR formulation; and that drug, although only 6 x potency of codeine, is scheduled as if it were a STRONG, not MILD opioid. It has to be made into a powder as fine as talc amd filtered to remove the excipoents and waxy substance which controls the SR mechanism.
    We need it to be made available in the UK as there is NOTHING between dihydrocodeine and morphine in the Formulary, yet it covers a degree of pain which many thousands suffer & for which even Oramorph - NOT a CD, but a POM (Prescription Only Medicine), not a controlled preparation of morphine sulphate, being considered too weak for that sort of scheduling - is TOO strong.
    Gee's Linctus, containing opium, is also OTC and gives a much more opiated feeling than Codeine Linctus.It may be used in larger quantity but care should be taken as respiratory depression is a possible danger at multi-bottle dosage.
    J.Collis Browne's Mixture contains morphine hydrochloride, but not enough to be of any more than faint interest - a full bottle 200mL might stave off opiate withdrawal symptoms for 6 to 12 hours, but little more.
    So OTC would only cover the combination drugs within the set limits of dosage, Codeine Linctus, Co-Codamol, Co-Dydramol, Gee's Linctus and J. Collis Browne's. As well, of course, as seed pods of Papaver somniferum.
    That's about your lot.
    I don't recommend using seeds for making 'tea' as you require far too many, but Cooked Flake Opium may be evaporated from tea made with seed pods, blended to a fine powder in a food processor and the alkaloids extracted in water at low temperature which has been reduced in pH to around 4.5. Citric acid is mostly used for this. Cold Water Extraction is best for co-dydramol and co-codamol to get rid of apap and binders/fillers.
    Loperamide is not suggested as an option as, same as with tramadol HCl, now rescheduled as a CD of Sch 3, it can cause seizures at higher dosages, in the case of tramadol, as little as 200mg.

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    BTW apologies for plagiarism in a couple of aspects of that post - I used a post elsewhere by another British Isles resident for one piece of information and the estimated ceiling dose of codeine... somebody on anoyher forum whom I SHOULD credit, if only I knew more than that their name starts with a 'Z'! Sorry.
     
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    Codeine is illegal in all forms in the US for OTC use, and I can''t comment on that, because I have rarely used it.

    But, just to be clear, DXM, as found in contemporary North American cough syrups and liquid gels, is not a opiate. It is classed as a dissociative, and I guess it could be considered that, but my experience is that it is a lovely substance all on its own, of its own unique kind.

    Sounds like you Brits have all kinds of things available over the counter that we do not. You CAN make poppy seed tea here: just look under the Poppy section of this forum for lots of information.
     
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    That's true, I imagine that we do have lots of things over the counter that you guys don't but honestly, it is near IMPOSSIBLE to swindle anything good out of a British doctor...perhaps because of the NHS system I'm not sure but I am always shocked at the things that people seem to be able to get prescribed in the U.S.

    Also, the U.S. always approves INSANE prescription medication, Xanax for example or...

    Want prescription Methamphetamine? Ask your Doctor about Desoxyn *Wink, turn to camera, thumbs up*
    I mean, as a meth addict...WTF U.S.A.?!

    But yes, Codeine is available OTC but only as Co-codamol I believe.