Parasitic Amanita?

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  1. Ninja Master

    Ninja Master Silver Member

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    ive seen this twice and im going to ignore this thought no
    longer. ive seen an amanita muscaria growing from a dead tree
    once on a regular hunt. it was growing close to where the dead
    tree was, about 6 inches from the center of the tree. i filed
    this experiance in the strange encounters with amanita. this
    second time has realy trubbled me. thare were trees in the area
    once upon a time, but the trees were sawed down about 8-9 years
    ago. i found a toxic amanita on the ground, dug up the stem to
    make sure it was an amanita. what im thinking is that amanita
    doesnt give anything to the tree, but in reality takes the rotting
    unneeded roots away. so thare were living trees a while ago, but
    they are gone, and fruit still comes up? the closest tree to this
    fruit was about 100 feet away. does anyone have a better idea of
    whats going on here????? [​IMG]

    i cannot express how furious i am about the quality of these
    pictures. the rest of the roll turned out better than i could of
    hoped for. the only pictures that turned out bad were the only
    ones i thought of as critial..... so here it is experiance 3 and
    4 of amanitas growing from dead tree stumps.[​IMG]


    and i like a dumb ass should of NOT taken this picture from the
    road. i could clearly ident these as amanita muscaria var formosa
    from the road as a passanger. this picture was actualy taken on
    the way back from where ever i was. i was driving, and stopped
    infront of this house.[​IMG]


    ok what does this say? ive seen in publications that say amanita
    is the most under done mushroom family. to me this says that
    amanita is not out of lab cultivations reach. i think that the
    lab cultivation has failed due to the cold fruting tempratures, and
    possibly the requirement of a casing. ive been told you can grow
    amanita spores on agar, but if it requried tree roots, i think the
    spores would requrie roots to even germinate. i think the spores
    can germinate on semi woody grounds, as with rotting tree
    composts. i kind of doubt the casing as the mushroom kind of pops
    out like a trap door spider. it just explodes out of the
    ground. its been said that amanita mycelium takes 2 years to grow
    mushrooms also. this information is from my own research, not
    what others have told me. if you use this information to grow
    edible amanitas, or amanita for medicinal purposes i request a small
    royalty. (hell ill probably just request the information that ive
    gotten you to investigate from the information ive posted.) im a
    charitable man, i just gave away 2 and 5/16'ths pounds of muscaria to a
    friend and am about to send out another pound. i will use any
    contributions to the drug based forums i frequent, straving children,
    those who have come before more, and those who go beyonde! :applause:

    thank you drug forum, i love you guys!!!!!

    Ninja Master

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      fascinating thread, thanks for posting!
      Jul 27, 2012
  2. therealmrg

    therealmrg Newbie

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    Re: parasitic amanita??

    I am a mycologist and experimenting with Aminitas is playing russian roulette with bullets in all 6 chambers. Grow psilocybes, or find San Pedro, Peyote or LSD25. Trust me.
     
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      patronising and unhelpful post
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  3. Routemaster Flash

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    Re: parasitic amanita??

    Ninja Master, this is really interesting stuff! I've always understood that Amanitas are always symbiotic with certain trees, with their mycelia forming mycorrhizae with the tree roots.

    If the A. muscaria you saw was growing from a dead tree stump, that would make it saprobic (feeding on already dead matter) rather than parasitic. Perhaps the fungus was symbiotic while the tree was alive then became saprobic after it died, feeding on nutrients in the wood?

    Interesting thread!
     
  4. Phenoxide

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    Re: parasitic amanita??

    Amanita muscaria have a mycorrhizal association with some vascular plants, particularly Birch, so it's not surprising to see them growing around living trees. They have a symbiotic rather than parasite-host relationship; that is it benefits both organisms. The fungus gets to share in the sugars and other goodies the plant produces, and the ability of the plant roots to collect water and minerals is effectively extended by the associated fungal mycelium. The fungus may also protect the plant from pathogens and toxins in the soil.

    In this case I'd agree with RF that the fungus likely originally established itself while the plant was still alive and has persisted even after the tree was killed.

    I'm not too familiar with lab cultivation of Amanitas but I agree it's an interesting topic. The life cycle of fungi and how they interact with other organisms is pretty remarkable, so cultivation of any mushroom is an interesting thing to observe. One would think that a substrate supplemented with everything that the plant would normally provide might be sufficient. Then again maybe the substrate would require some sort of artificial root system running through it so that nutrients can perfuse throughout the mycelium? The mycorrhizal ecosystem is actually even more intricate as there are many bacteria that also interact with the fungus and modulate its relationship with plants, which is referred to as the 'mycorrhiza helper effect'. Maybe it's the absence of these bacteria that makes Amanitas so difficult to cultivate in an artificial setup?
     
  5. Routemaster Flash

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    Re: parasitic amanita??

    Phenoxide, that's fascinating about the 'helper bacteria', I've not heard of that before. So that would make the tree-fungus relationship actually a three-way mutualism? Amazing.

    I've certainly heard that it's damn near impossible (or has proven to be so far) to cultivate fungi that grow in strictly symbiotic relationships with trees, which is why Boletus Edulis is still so damn expensive - it has to be laboriously hunted in the wild from certain closely guarded spots where it grows.
     
  6. nousername

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    Re: parasitic amanita??

    Really wish you could elaborate on that.
    Has tried the yellow variety before, but the dose was not enough.

    Conflicting info on the recreational value, it can kill/doesn't kill.

    Explain please.