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Pholcodine dosages.

Discussion in 'Opiates & Opioids' started by kakakaka, Oct 9, 2007.

  1. kakakaka

    kakakaka Newbie

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    Hey, I was thinking of trying some DXM this weekend and has found that a certian bottle of medicine has 50mg/20ml compaired to 25~30mg/20ml that most other bottles have in the UK (from this certain major supermarket). The only problem is that the first bottle with the higher concentration contains 15mg/20ml of Pholcodine.

    Erowid pulls up nothing for this in terms of dosages but found this on Wiki. ''Pholcodine is a modified opiate cough suppressent (antitussive) that acts primarily on the central nervous system (CNS) causing depression of the cough reflex'

    Anyone have any knowledge on this and how much is safe or should I just grab a bottle with dextromethorphan only as it seems well suggested not to take any other type of cough suppresant.


    Thanks again
    Swim
     
  2. Handle

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    Re: Pholcodine doesages.

    Hey, look, all the drug companies always say that their new drug is 'nonaddictive' or has no 'opiate like effects' they did it with vicodin, oxycontin, pethidine even heroin back in the day. They always say that its less habit forming, no abuse potential etc. etc. but seriously, what about pholcodine? I have heard it has absolutely no effects. Could this be true?
     
  3. Paracelsus

    Paracelsus Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Re: Pholcodine doesages.

    Don't. Pholcodine is an opioid by structure. May have some typical effects in high doses. I wouldn't try it. And it's not DXM. Moved.
     
  4. kakakaka

    kakakaka Newbie

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    Ahh ok cheers, I will just have to find a higher consentration of DXM in another label.
     
  5. Handle

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    Hey, paracelsus, what does 'moved' mean? And just quickly have you ever heard of people [or anyone] getting high off pholcodine [not DXM type high, codeine type high].
    Just curious.
     
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    Paracelsus Platinum Member & Advisor

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    'Moved' means moving a thread from one forum (DXM) to another (Opiates & Opioids) - your thread belonged into the latter forum. I've never heard of people getting high on pholcodine.
     
  7. Henfer

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    oh just don't bother with Pholcodine. I was on vacation in a country where pholcodine is OTC, bought 2 bottles a 20 pills and ate 30 Pills at once (one pill is 10mg) which is 300mg, and had absolutely no opioid effects. pholcodine is processed to morphine in vivo, however, only at the rate of 1%.
     
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    Oh, o.k., thanks. It was just out of curiosity. That would explain why there is basically nothing on it anywhere on any of these sites.
    Pholcodine is otc here in Australia too, but SWIM never wanted to try it because pure dihydrocodeine syrup is also available, and that never let SWIM down [even in times of great distress].
     
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    yep, in this context, pholcodine is a lot like dextrometorphane or loperamide. technically it is an opioid, but it only has some structural similarities and only very specific opioid qualities (pholcodine only has a weak cough stopping quality and, in very large dosages, depresses breathing).
     
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    Wha? Pure dihydrocodeine? Are you certain, 'cause Swim's never come across it. I'm sure he'd like to though!
     
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    Just to clarify a piece of potentially dangerous misinformation in this thread -

    Within Australia, there is currently 'pure' Dihydrocodeine syrup available in schedule 3.
    It is sold as a cough suppressant, not a painkiller, and will usually not be offered as one, although curiously most pharmacists get it mixed up with codeine, thinking they are essentially the same (correct but ironic).
    The problem with this syrup is that it contains 19mg Dihydrocodeine, and 4.4g Sorbitol per 10 ml. This is a lot of Sorbitol! Given most people find Dihydrocodeine to be 1-1.5x as strong as codeine, if you have any kind of opiate tolerance, and you are not resistant to Sorbitol, you will almost definitely spend ~two hours of your admittedly pleasant high on the toilet.
    Also note Dihydrocodeine has just been unscheduled to schedule 4 with Codeine, a policy that's ignorance will grace that illogical nanny-state in February next year.

    Sorry to bump an old thread but the presence of Sorbitol in this product is a very relevant piece of information for anyone who might be silly enough to not read the bottle.