alreet people theres a lot of discussion about how certain piperazine based drugs and blends of herbs and piperazines compare to mdma, but it seems to SWIM that the effects of piperazines sound closer to amphetamine than to mdma. anyway I have not tried amphetamines but he has tried an unknown blend of piperazines and herbs (purple ohms). swim told me that he remembers the purple ohms had a slightly trippy feel, like weed but more powerful, possibly due to the herbs that were in them (hawaiian baby woodrose i think?), but the main effect seemed to be stimulation as I felt restless and full of energy both mentally and physically for ages, maybe 10 or 12 hours. earlier on he was feeling body rushes kind of like E but without the overall blanket of wonderfulness that E gives. anyway SWIM wanted me to ask you people if anyone who has experience with both amphetamines and piperazines could describe the diifference between the two. he is thinking of trying one of the piperazine pills that are marketed as strong stimulant, rather than the trippy ones, he wants to be awake and dancing for hours and hours. with this in mind what are the pros and cons of amphetamines vs piperazines?