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Plants Containing DMT and Relative Advantages of Each

Discussion in 'DMT and Ayahuasca' started by Dimitri, May 24, 2005.

  1. Dimitri

    Dimitri Gold Member

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    Hope it didn't exist such a thread already...

    This is actually the best list of DMT containing plants that I found in
    the net. I posted it here again not only to collect all the data about
    the topic and to add some more user based knowledge but also because
    some of the sites (e.g. Vovins Extraction page) were getting offline in
    the last months.





    This is the original source: http://hjem.get2net.dk/gaffri/page6.html
     
  2. Funkameleon5

    Funkameleon5 Newbie

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    Excelent list! Very much appreciated. [​IMG]
     
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  3. Marsofold

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    As a practical matter, the cultivation of DMT-bearing plants is limited by a combination of personal choices and available resources. For most people the following classifications apply:
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    Indoor tropical plants-pretty much anything goes here:
    #1 Mimosa Hostilis: typical concentration of dried rootbark = 0.6% DMT. Major issue: time requirement to grow for rootbark to reach typically harvested thickness: 2-1/2 years.
    #2 Psychotria Viridis: typical concentration of dried leaf: 0.1% DMT. Major issues: Low DMT leaf concentration, low rate of seed germination, high humidity requirements, low growth rate below 27C(80F). Most people's choice.
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    Outdoor plants with significant DMT content:
    #1 Acacia Obtusifolia: typical concentration of dried young leaf = 0.3% DMT. Able to endure frost and occasional brief snowfalls. Best potential candidate for practical temperate zone large-scale DMT production. Tree = low suspicion level.
    #2 Desmanthus Illinoisis: typical concentration of dried root = 0.02% DMT. Able to survive the most extreme winter conditions. Hardy and quick to produce seeds. Low DMT root concentration. Legal feedstock crop above suspicion.
    #3 Phalaris: extremely variable concentration of dried grass blades. 5-meo also present at levels sufficient to undesirably dominate alkaloid effects. Low DMT concentration at best. The stuff of myths. A complete waste of time...
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    All leaf sources, although handy to harvest, also suffer from environmental variability of DMT concentration and also include undesirable plant products such as oils requiring specific purification techniques to eliminate their presence. Root sources are more difficult to harvest, produce less DMT per unit acre under cultivation, but have much less undesirable plant products requiring elimination and are more predictable in their DMT concentration...Mars
     
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  4. jaguarangel

    jaguarangel Newbie

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    The trichocereus terschekii entry is incorrect. The reference has been traced.
    No cacti so far have contained DMT.
     
  5. Eirias

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    Are you sure? I am almost positive that a cactus, possibly as Trichocereus spp., showed trace amounts of DMT in its
    alkaloidal profile upon chromatographic assay. I believe that this data came from either TIHKAL or Pharmcotheon, but
    possibly elsewhere. Based on the chromatography data, it looks as though the DMT concentration was far too low to produce any activty, even with b-carbolines.
     
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  6. jaguarangel

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    It was in Plants Of the Gods and Shultes admitted to a secretarial error in the
    text.
     
  7. jaguarangel

    jaguarangel Newbie

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    If you have the reference to this, I would be highly interested since I am
    helping a friend write a book on the subject. Also, is Acacia obtusifolia
    included in the DMT containing plants?
     
  8. Alfa

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    Me to as I am planning for pages on DMT containing plants in the new drug information base.
     
  9. Marsofold

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    SWIM has three Acacia Obtusifolia plants around 5 inches tall (13 cm). Healthy with reddish parts on the leaves. Although they do grow very very slow...
     
  10. Azz301

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    Herbs for the alkoloids

    Living in Sydney, it seems the only plants that SWIM would have local to farm the DMT would be the Acacias... SWIM has not read anything on Acacia extraction.

    Is there anyone else in Sydney (or even Aus, or NZ?) that has success with this?

    SWIM can order phalaris online, and its very cheap too. There seemed to be mixed reports about this grass tho.
    SWIM is more interested in smoking the DMT than an Ayahuasca tea, with that said he has had neither and is keen for both! :D

    Are there any other herbs or plants the grow local to Sydney that can be used?
     
  11. Neosapien

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    I envy you.

    I'm sorry, swim envies your swim.

    This is the deal:
    Acacia baileyana 0.02% tryptamine and ß-carbolines, in the leaf
    Acacia maidenii DMT and NMT, in the stem bark
    A. albida DMT, in the leaf
    A. confusa DMT and NMT, in the leaf, stem and bark
    Acacia cultriformis tryptamine, in the leaf and stem
    A. laeta DMT, in the leaf
    A. mellifera DMT, in the leaf
    A. nilotica DMT, in the leaf
    A. phlebophylla DMT, in the leaf
    A. podalyriaefolia tryptamine, in the leaf
    A. senegal DMT, in the leaf
    A. seyal DMT, in the leaf
    A. sieberiana DMT, in the leaf)
    A. simplicifolia DMT and NMT, in the leaf, stem and trunk bark
    A. vestita tryptamine, in the leaf and stem

    Any of these should be workable with a simple A/B extraction.

    The taxonomy and collection is up to you.

    The Marsofold tek would probably work for most with the addition of a defat step where applicable.

    Swim should ask swim about all this once swim has collected some plant material to ask swim about.
     
  12. Marsofold

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    The only Acacias that reliably produce DMT are Phlebophylla, Simplicifolia, and Obtusifolia. Phlebs are almost extinct so it would be a moral crime to harvest them. Simplicifolia has a poor alkaloid profile, with the extracted DMT diluted with lots of other alkaloids that end up weakening the final product. That leaves Obtusifolia as the best one to grow.
     
  13. storm

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    SWIM has about a pound of Virola Surinamensis. Has anyone experimented with this and if so what would be an appropriate starting dose. SWIM cannot use huasca combos because I take citrolopram.

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  14. seechao

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    SWIM was considering ordering some Illinois Bundleflower Root (Desmanthus Illinois) from a nameless retailer based on the huge amount of nnDMT reported by Shulgin, but after reading this, SWIM is wondering if there is a huge amount of variation in the plants, or if Shulgin was mistaken... has this plant been tried by anyone with decent results?
     
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    Acacia trees containing DMT

    So SWIM and some of his friends are definitely going to try DMT, but first they have to get it. In the immediate vicinity the only plants SWIM can find that seem to contain DMT are acacia trees, of which SWIM has found several. However, SWIM isn't 100% sure that these particular Acacia trees do contain DMT. Wikipidia seems to imply so, but SWIM isn't really sure if he should trust it.

    Acacia Phlebophylla
    Acacia Melanoxylon
    Acacia Pycantha
    Acacia Albida
    Acacia Baileyana

    Helpful info would include which would be easiest to adapt to a simple extraction tek, how to go about that, or which would have the highest yield. Thank you for your help anyone.
     
  16. Heretic.Ape.

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    Re: Acacia trees containing DMT

    Do a quick forum search (on navigation bar near top of screen), I'm sure this information has been covered.
     
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    Threads merged.
     
  18. BigJim

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    Someone I met was wondering if the acid/base extraction was actually overkill for some situations (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid-base_extraction for a general explanation). With some plants, one could simply take a pyrex cup with 2 cups of water in it, add a tablespoon of vinegar, and microwave it for 10 minutes, then drink it after it cools. That is, if you've got some beta-carbolines handy to make it orally active. The idea being that DMT and 5-MeO-DMT while practically insoluble in neutral water, become soluble in acidified water. The microwave helps too. Also, with fresh plants, freezing them while fresh helps explode all the cell walls when the ice expands.

    At the same time, this same SWIM was wondering, is there an easy way, maybe with an a/b technique or something simpler, to separate out the 5-MeO-DMT from the straight DMT. This could make some of the above plants even more useful.
     
  19. Nagognog2

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    While likely useful for that fresh-from-the-garden cup of ayahuasca to serve the Jehovas' Witnesses who stop by for a 6-hour "chat" - Many people want the crystal-option for dancing with the gnomes. For these a full-blown extraction is best using the most DMT-laden plant material available.
     
  20. Anadenanthera

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    According to Ott, A. peregrina has:

    * Bufotenine - up to 7.4 % (74 mg per gram)
    * DMT - up to 0.16% (0.16 mg per gram)
    * 5-MeO-DMT - up to 0.04% (0.4 mg per gram)

    According to Ott, A. colubrina has:

    * Bufotenine - up to 12.4% (124 mg per gram!)
    * DMT and 5-MeO-DMT - 0.06%

    So these beans are not good sources of DMT or 5-MeO-DMT. They are the best known sources of bufotenine in the world though. Yeah, I know, you probably heard that bufotenine sucks right? Well that’s what I thought until My Dodo experienced calcium bufotenate down in Brazil. Apparently you can easily convert bufotenine into calcium bufotenate. Calcium bufotenate is REALLY NICE, more hallucinogenic then DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, lasts much longer, and has with none of the nasty side effects of other forms of bufotenine.:thumbsup:

    Check out Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anadenanthera_peregrina
     
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