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Oral use - Poppy Pod Slurry

Discussion in 'Opium & Poppy' started by SpecialSauce69, Sep 30, 2008.

  1. SpecialSauce69

    SpecialSauce69 Silver Member

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    Just curious on the thoughts and comments regarding a way of ingesting poppies that I have not seen covered much here.

    Poppy pods are ground to a fine powder

    A measured amount of the powder is mixed with a glass of grapefruit juice

    the two are mixed until the powder is completely in solution with the juice

    the resulting slurry is then ingested...

    I knew a cat once who tried this and found that it was superior in every way to the more common concoction of poppy tea, which is discussed quite often here.

    has anyone else's pet tried this and if so, what are their thoughts on it?

    The aforementioned cat said that not only was the onset of the alkaloids much stronger, but lasted longer and required a lot less fuss and mess than poppy tea and there was no waste whatsoever.

    Speaking of waste, it should be noted that said feline made sure that natural stool softeners and laxatives were administered before, during and after the ingestion process.
     
  2. Herbal Healer 019

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    A friend just ordered 50 pods and thinks this method sounds a better way than making tea because your not wasting the plant material..My friend wants to kno how nasty the mixture tasted because GFJ and pods with the powder in the GFJ just sounds disgusting...is the resulting mixture thick? y did u choose GFJ? my friend has heard that GFJ potentiates certain benzos by blocking enzymes but does this work with opiates 2?
     
  3. SpecialSauce69

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    wow, finally a reply...

    several things one must consider carefully:

    one MUST use a coffee bean grinder or similar to get a very fine powder. One must take care when grinding as the dust is libel to puff up all over the place... grind and then let it sit a minute before emptying. tap the lid and so forth. do it over a large sheet of clean paper and the resulting dust can be collected and added to the final batch. The cat uses a food processor first to get a nice poppy meal ... then the cat puts that in small batches, into the grinder. 50 pods can be broken down to two batches of 25, depending on the size of the food processor

    one must take appropriate measures before during and after to deal with the gastrointestinal "issues". if one is too constipated to get rid of the "fiber", then one is in for painful hours on the can. one should get stool softeners and natural laxatives and take them regularly while using any opiate of this strength.

    one should read up on these forums regarding the great usefulness of grapefruit juice, and that will answer the choice for a mixing base. The short and not so technically correct answer is yes, the GFJ helps with opiate potentiation.

    one should be VERY sure of the proper dose one needs. one should always measure in grams. my cat found 10g to be a proper dose and the cat found that two and one half heaping table spoons was aprox 10g but one should always be SURE prior to ingestion. Having a postal or dietary scale is VERY useful and can very well save one's life. one's dose could very well be 5g or less, then others might need 15 or even 20g... one should NEVER guess at this. one should always experiment until optimal dosage is achieved. testing in quantities of 2g at a time should be acceptable to most, but please use common sense and READ what others have to report here about their cat's experiences.

    one should use an amount of GFJ to make the resulting slurry not too thick, but not too much grapefruit juice as to make it too much to finish in one sitting. My cat said that the taste was a tad gritty but not unlike drinking pulpy juice, especially if the powder is allowed to sit for 1/2 and hr to soak up as much GFJ as possible. one wants a fully saturated and well mixed drink. The cat uses a one pint beer glass and fills the glass as one would fill a pint of beer allowing on inch for a good head... which helps when stirring vigorously. Less stirring and side scraping is required when the powder is allowed to sit and saturate for half an hour or more

    the cat said the drink flavor was SO much better than any tea recipe could ever be but the key is using a fine powder and mixing correctly.

    one must just gulp it down and picture fresh pulpy GFJ in one's mind when drinking.

    one needs to wait about an hour to feel the effects and one can expect it to last well over 8hrs the peak being after the first hour in to the 4th or 5th hour.
     
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  4. Herbal Healer 019

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    My friend would like to kno if the pod tea is going to make him/her unable to function in daily activities or if the pods will just b a mellow opiated feeling while still being able to walk and talk coherently? He/she thinks it may be dose related correct? if so would a small dose still produce the desired euphoria while still being coherent? He/she intends on using the grapefruit juice method and hopes a low dose will not create bad constipation as SWIyou describes
     
  5. Mammon

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    SWIM finds that as long as the tea isn't too strong (he uses 25g of poppy straw) he's fine doing stuff, just buzzed. The trouble is that it can make you more prone to vomit so don't drink it and then run around or do sports.
     
  6. Herbal Healer 019

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    thanx jamal...didnt kno the stems contained morphine or codeine...SWIM is assuming nausea associated with the pods themselves is completely unavoidable..Is the nausea caused from the morphine or the plant material itself?
     
  7. SpecialSauce69

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    My cat is an old hand with opiates and has only ever experienced nausea when the dose was too high. anyone with allergies to codeine will of course NOT want to partake of this recipe.

    There is no magic one-size-fits-all dose. one MUST start small and work up to desired FX level. My cat says start with 2-3g at a time wait an hour in between

    do NOT underestimate the issue of constipation. one must take an extra moment to go to the store and spend a few extra dollars on some natural constipation remedies... seriously, do NOT fuck around with this.

    The other reason for using grapefruit juice is the strong taste of it overpowers the yucky taste of poppy straw. be sure to allow powder to soak for a 1/2 hr, as it will go down easier.

    a note on stems. the cat removes them and the seeds prior to putting the pods in the food processor. it makes for better more consistent powder. the cat saves the stems and seeds for later tea making usage most likely :)


    if one's plan is to ingest powder, please heed my cat's instructions.

    cheers

    SpecialSauce69 added 6 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...



    25g seems like an awful lot. no wonder nausea is part of the equation. if you were ingesting this full amount it would no doubt cause severe problems.

    when one ingests the poppy straw, it lasts a LOT longer and comes on a LOT stronger. use restraint and measure carefully and take time to figure out one's own perfect dose.
     
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  8. shivakiva2112

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    One's cat agrees that ground pod material is significantly stronger than tea, there is zero loss of alkaloids, and absorption appears very high.

    The cat also agrees that the material should be ground fucking F-I-N-E, that it does not taste bad, and that 10 grams is the absolute maximum starting dose. Better to start lower until potency is properly gauged.
     
  9. SpecialSauce69

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    It seems your cat and mine were litter mates

    better advice could not have been given.

    Using a food processor as a first stage grinding and then taking that material and running it through a coffee bean grinder will indeed turn it in to a fine powder, and this is essential to ingesting the material.

    It is best to do it all in one grinding session to avoid the waste that you get as some of the powder flies away.

    my cat's 10g dose is high due to the long term usage of opiates. the dose was found after a day or two was spent measuring and carefully adjusting the dose at 2g intervals.

    the bottom line is, take one's time... never rush in to it.
     
  10. Herbal Healer 019

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    Specialsauce69: when one ingests the poppy straw, it lasts a LOT longer and comes on a LOT stronger. use restraint and measure carefully and take time to figure out one's own perfect dose.


    how is it that the straw (stems SWIM is assuming?) comes on stronger and last longer than the pods themselves? SWIM always thought the most latex was concentrated in the pods making them have way more alkaloids than the stems...Can you explain yourself? Also is the constipation really that bad even in lower doses? SWIM has taken hydrocodone and oxycodone at low doses and has never had the slightest problem with constipation...could it b that the constipation factor various from person to person?
     
  11. SpecialSauce69

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    Greetings, you have misunderstood a term, and it's ok because this can all be very confusing.

    "poppy straw" refers to the crunched up poppy pods themselves... it is the term used by the DEA in fact when they talk about opium poppies used for production of drugs. So, "poppy straw" in the context of this discussion refers to the the stuff you get when you process the poppy pods in to powder for ingestion. I saw someone mention stems earlier, and I wasn't sure why, but I responded to that as well, remove stems and seeds before processing the pods to make powder. [which can also be called "poppy straw"] :thumbsup:

    On that note, please take a lot of time to read the various posts on this forum, as it will help define all the terms and subjects discussed and give you more insight. You will find a lot of misinformation and conflicting explanations but if you are able to weed through the bull shit and hone in on the basic facts, you should do alright. Learning the terms and lingo is the first step to figuring it all out.


    as for the constipation issue, I'm sure it does vary from person to person to a degree, but trust me, this is not something you want to leave to fate. Sure, ONE dose of an opiate may vary well not affect your digestion process, or you just didn't notice it, but you really do not want to fuck around with this. Taking natural stuff can only help matters anyway, no reason to shy away from it to hedge your bets. Your cat will be ingesting a hell of a lot of "fiber" that the little cat body will want to dispose of the only way it can... best thing you can do to make it easy on your cat is to make sure you have taken precautions. No harm no foul, right? 'Nuff said on that.

    Realize that when it comes to the dose, your cat has not figured out what a "low" dose is yet right? this is not like taking a prescription med with exact dosage on the bottle, your cat will need to experiment to find that right dose, so in theory, a low dose should work like you anticipate, but your cat has yet to figure out what that is yet... it might be 2g, it might be 4g... hell, it might be more, only your cat will know after careful investigation.


    Please be careful is all anyone can ask of your cat. Get a dietary or postal scale, get a food processor and coffee bean grinder, make the time to do what is needed when you won't be rushed or intruded upon and for God's sake, go get some natural "dietary supplements"... and don't forget the grapefruit juice, you won't be sorry!

    Report back with your experiences for others to learn from.

    cheers
    -SS
     
  12. Herbal Healer 019

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    SWIM is very anxious to try his/her pods which hav not yet arrived and will definately not b ignorant when it comes to dose as SWIM does not want to die...thanx 4 clearing up the whole "poppy straw ordeal"...when SWIyou says food processer SWIM doesn't kno what SWIyou are reffering to, can SWIyou help SWIM out? Also what "natural dietary supplements/laxative/stool softner" would SWIyou reccomend? SWIM is all about 100% natural and safe products when it comes to consumption so preferably a herbal based dietary supplement please. thanx
     
  13. SpecialSauce69

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    If you read above, my cat refers to a two step process to get the final powder.

    1: separate stems and remove seeds from pods

    2. place pods in a general use food processor to break it all down to what my cat refers to as a poppy "meal" , sort of the consistancy of dried rolled oats. Any large general purpose food processor will work. it needs to be heavy duty because the pods are very tough.

    3. take a portion of the poppy meal and place it in a coffee bean grinder to further process the meal in to a fine powder, repeat until all meal has been ground to powder.

    my cat found that doing all this on a large table covered with clean paper, helps with the fly-away stuff and one can collect it all back up at the end.

    my cat also found that using a small amount of water to clean the residue from the insides of the food processor and bean grinder and putting that in to a glass for consumption when one is ready to drink the slurry is a good way not to waste anything.

    my cat uses sturdy freezer bags to hold the dried powder goods and keep it nice and air tight fresh.


    my cat swears by these two products taken together daily:

    Docusate sodium, or "Colace" which is a stool softener, and Sennosides or "Senna" or "Senokot" a natural vegetable based laxative. both can be found very cheaply at your local Rx or grocery store.
     
  14. Mammon

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    SWIM doesn't consume the poppy straw when he uses 25g. He soaks the straw in water at 65 degrees for 2 hours, filters it using gelatin and then reduces it to a small volume and necks it.

    I guess this reduces how strong it is compared to eating the straw, but the consuption is nicer. SWIM isn't an addict, but generally needs a good dose of opiates to get a high.

    If you want more details of gelatin filtering look at the "filtration using silks thread" in opium and poppy. It hasn't made anyone SWIM knows sick yet.
     
  15. G_nome

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    So SWIM tried this recipe for the first time today. In one word, amazing! He only done half an average dose for him, 30g being an average dose, and he's pure nodding! 15g wouldn't usually even touch the sides for him. And SWIM would usually do 40g and upwards for a nice relaxing evening.
    Tea's out the window, it's all about the slurrys from now on for SWIM.
    Much nicer than the tea too, grapefruit juice and pods seem to compliment each other quite well, according to SWIM.
    SWIM would like to say thanks for this SS69, great recipe! :thumbsup:
     
  16. SpecialSauce69

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    Glad the recipe/idea was of use and enjoyable.

    I'm shocked that there was not more discussion on this topic prior to this thread. I have seen ingestion referred to but never in detail.

    While I do not want to seem like a broken record, don't forget to take your "suppliments" G_nome ! ;)


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    Nah SWIM should be alright, he doesn't really got any trouble with constipation unless he's been on like a week long binge of the good ol tea. He's got a wee fleet enema kit just in case though.

    Oh, and another thing SWIM should mention is...woke up today still feeling kinda oped up, took his usual dose of 20mg citalopram and about 20 minutes later or so he started to feel weird, like he'd took an extra citalopram or summit. Then he started to feel really quesy, mouth started watering an that, so he had to go lie down for a bit.

    Anyway, when he felt a bit better he came on the net and checked out the effects of grapefruit juice on citalopram. Turns out it kinda works the same on citalopram as it does on other drugs such as opiates, more of the drug goes into yer blood. So if any of SWIyou are on any medication make sure to check if there's any interactions with grapefruit juice!

    It's funny, coz SWIM did check the leaflet of his citalopram before he even made the slurry and there's no mention of grapefruit juice on there. You'd think they might care to mention that, bastards.
     
  18. Herbal Healer 019

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    Finally...SWIMs 1st batch of close to 200 pods came in the mail ranging from 2-8". Arrived in 2 days, Niice...ne ways SWIM ground up 7 gs and placed the "straw" into some white grapefruit juice and is going to let it sit over night. SWIM tells me he/she plans on ingesting the slurry in the morning hours by sipping on it throughout the course of about an hour and titrating the dose based on how SWIM feels, SWIM does not want to nod or b noticably fucked up, SWIM tells me they just want to feel as though they took 10 to 15 mg hydrocodone or just an overall functional discrete yet euphoric high. If all goes well SWIM plans on going to the fair on the pod slurry. Wish SWIM luck in his/her endeavor;):thumbsup:...

    Experience:
    ingested the "slurry" at home during lunch time. SWIM tells me that it was one of the most disgusting things he/she has ever drank and struggled to keep it down after every sip. SWIM has a weak stomach and tells me that if the slurry tasted this bad he/she cannot imagine how nasty the tea tastes, much less how any1 manages to get it down. SWIM tells me the taste reminded him very much of morning glory seeds (nasty as a mothafucka). The effects with 7gs were very very mild, a dreamy feeling with very slight euphoria and analgesia. probably simular to taking 2mgs hydrocodone. not so pleased with the results. Maybe SWIMs pods were weak and SWIM needs to try 10 or 12gs next time, although he/she will have a hard time getting it down, as 7gs took 30 mins of sipping to get down. :( overall alota wasted effort. < SWIM felt this way at 1st, then it started to kick in. SWIM felt as though he/she took 15mg hydrocodone and continued to drink 2 more grapefruit juices. At the 3 hr mark SWIM felt very nauseous and threw up. Word to the wise dont drink too much GFJ and dont eat and drink alot of fluids, you'll get sick and look like shit for the rest of the day
     
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  19. SpecialSauce69

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    Here's a few insights from my cat regarding the report:

    It does not suprize my cat that some people just will not like poppys in any way shape or form where the taste-buds and gag reflex are concerned. Nothing you can do about it. You will read reports that say GFJ helped imensely and others, like above, that say just plain "YUCK". One needs to find one's best method, or just let it go and not indulge. The person in question may want to try not letting the slurry sit for so long and to add more GFJ per gram of powder.

    7g is a LOT to ingest. I was not sure if you were reporting that it resulted in throwing up or not or if you were talking about a previous experience but nausea is a sure sign of getting TOO much alkaloid. It can indeed take hours for the alkaloids to come to full effect in one's body. It is difficult to even attribute dose to any measurable drug since 15MG of hydrocodone on my cat will feel differently than it does on your cat. It is just too subjective to even try to discuss in any definitive way.

    The last tidbit my cat will leave with us is that pods are natural and can vary in strength a hell of a lot which is why one is advised to crush all the pods and make them in to powder in one huge batch to even out the dose and make it as uniform as possible. Then one should experiment with dosage of THAT batch and go with that until it is used up and not to repeat the same dosage with a new batch but to start as NEW.

    my cat says, be safe and be happy :)
     
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    SWIM just wanteded me to pop in and say thanks alot for this post!
    SWIM has done ALOT of research about pods and how best to get the most enjoyment, and this is def the way!


    (1st post to ;))
     
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