Questions: Beginner's dose, comedown, levels of w/d, snort vs. IV

Discussion in 'Opiates & Opioids' started by greg182, Aug 25, 2005.

  1. greg182

    greg182 Newbie

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    few questions.

    1. what is a good IV beginner dose? i' ve read through some threads and i've heard numbers such as:


    i then went to erowid and read that a dose should be 5mg-10mg, converting say 8 mg to a gram is .01 grams, so .025 grams (25mg) would be an overdose? i guess i'm just confused as to what kind of dose i'd be looking at for my first time, and i understand purity is a factor, but all around what is a good number to start with? i mean assuming i'm going to get some decent H. and if say 5-10mg is a decent dose to start with, how the hell do you go about measuring that much powder accurately?

    2. after the initial effects, is there a come down like coke? by come down i mean the part where you notice the effects going away, and having feelings of wanting them to come back (ie, wanting to do more coke). and if so, does weed help?

    3. are there different levels of withdrawl? i had a buddy who got vicodin after surgery and finished the whole thing (20 pills) in 4 days. he claims the next day he had minor withdrawl symptoms, not anything close to full blown heroin withdrawl, but headaches, trouble sleeping. does weed help with any of this or make it easier?

    4. is sniffing the shit you get a good way to test for an IV dose? i'm thinking maybe sniff enough to get fucked up, remember how much it took, then maybe 1-2 weeks later do a little less (then what i sniffed) in an IV. is this a realistic was of finding a good dose?
     
  2. icecrew

    icecrew Newbie

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    afew advices, get a bag shoot half of it if its not as strong as u want
    it shoot more, sniffin is a waste comedown is easy on dope..nothin like
    X or coke specially crack..for that reason SWIM dont do coke at all
     
  3. greg182

    greg182 Newbie

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    how much is a bag (in grams)? a lot of people use the lingo bag or half bag, what are the sizes and how much do they usually cost?
     
  4. NeedleInTheHay

    NeedleInTheHay Newbie

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    have you ever done H before? no offense, but it doesn't really
    sound like it. If not, i wouldn't recommend shooting for your
    first time, you'd get off just fine snorting it and it would be FAR
    safer. If, however, you just HAVE to shoot it....try finding
    someone with some experience that you trust to give you your
    wings. What i really want to say is DO NOT EVEN FUCKING TRY IT,
    but i'm not your mommy. Everybody has to walk their own path i
    guess. Just be damn careful.
     
  5. greg182

    greg182 Newbie

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    umm i dont know, didn't i say something about "first time" or "sniffing before trying"?

    ps: elliott smith is the man
     
  6. Woodman

    Woodman A very strange person. Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Indeed you didn't, greg182.

    You simply requested information, though I think
    NeedleInTheHay was under the impression that you
    were going to use this information in a way that
    might prove harmful.

    Good job, guys.
     
  7. greg182

    greg182 Newbie

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    1. i'm not going to even quote my shit, i stated that this was my first time.

    2. its drug, do you think any type of drug using isn't harmful (to some extent)?

    3. its funny how i cant get any information on a DRUG forum without some moral bullshit or somebody dancing around the issue. this is pathetic.

    i am an adult, i can make my own fucking choices, all i wanted was for someone with some experience in this area to answer the questions, but yeah, this is a forum, why would that happen here? [​IMG]
     
  8. NeedleInTheHay

    NeedleInTheHay Newbie

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    A - take it easy.

    B - i am not going to waste time quoting myself either, but i believe i said something about not being your parent.

    C - I also thought i gave you some advice on how to proceed in
    the direction you seem to want to go (i.e.-find someone you trust who's
    already done it and have them show you). If it came across some other
    way, it wasn't meant to.

    D - you made it clear thatit would be your first time shooting, but you
    were kind of vague about whether or not it was your first time using H.

    E - i had to say that shit about not doing it for me, not for
    you. i know you are going to do what you want, but i'm a long way
    down the road you have just started traveling on and i wish
    someone had said something like that to me before i began. so
    every time i hear someone who sounds like they have a chance of turning
    back i tell them to do so. i would not be able to live with
    myself if i didn't.

    F - thanx for recognizing the name...
     
  9. Woodman

    Woodman A very strange person. Platinum Member & Advisor

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    In THAT case, your post was self incriminating and
    is NOT allowed.

    Please read the rules, and learn how to request
    information without incriminating yourself by
    announcing your intent.

    This is an open forum, NOT a public forum.

    I suggest you learn to recognize the difference
    between the two, and respect the rules of this forum.
     
  10. bogumil

    bogumil Gold Member

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    I heard from people who use H, that when you never did it before you might want to smoke it because you wont od so easy then. Same with sniffing. I know people preferring sniffing to smoking because when you smoke you loose to much H.


    Before you IV you should indeed sniff some to see how strong it is and to find oyur dose.


    And about the tip that you should try half a bag first: I know that many give this advice and it might work, but I wouldnt do this. Bags differ in size and strength. So if you get you a bag and there is 0.8 gram of medium strong stuff in it you will have wings forever.


    If you want to use first time: Sniff or smoke. If you really have to IV: Buy a bag and snort some the one day to see how much gets you high. Thenget you someone with experience, like suggested above.


    Yes, there are stages of withdrawal. It is supposed to start with feeling hot and cold. Then comes a runny nose and wet eyes, then you become weak and tired, then you become weak and cant sleep , and after that it gets really bad I heard.


    All the above tips are things I heard from someone who heard it, but they are good, I believe that strongly!Edited by: bogumil
     
  11. greg182

    greg182 Newbie

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    thanks for the advice bogumil, sorry to woodland for getting out of line.
     
  12. tatittle

    tatittle Silver Member

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    IV opiates have a higher bioavailability than sniffing or eating the same substance. Its is about twice as much via IV than sniffing, plus there is a rush involved with the quick onset. Going by this HALF the normal sniffing dose would be the absolute maximum. It is better to be safe and do less, perhaps considerably less if you do not know the strength of the substance. Since there is no threshold, you will still feel a much smaller dose like 10-20% of normal sniffing amount.
    A bag is often 100mg or less in the USA, but the amount of cut varies highly, hence the caution. It is always responsible to warn of the additional risks involved with IV use. There is a short period where it seems like a great find, followed by a lifetime of mixed emotions and regret.
     
  13. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Make sure you check the dates on posts before replying to them, tatittle.
    This is from 9 years ago and most people who have posted no longer use the site.
    There are probably more recent threads that have a similar topic.