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Opinions - RC closest to meth?

Discussion in 'Research Chemicals' started by Desiree, Oct 5, 2011.

  1. Desiree

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    SWIM's connection was a friend who screwed her out of a few dollars yesterday. Not that much money, but SWIM has a history with this girl and would rather not trust her again.

    That being said, SWIM is looking for a replacement for meth. She is looking for something that will keep her awake for hours on end to work (she is a psychic and phone sex operator from home) and study. Euphoria is a plus but not a big deal.
     
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  2. krazysmokerhomey

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    4-fma
     
  3. JJ1234

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    4-FA is almost identical to methamphetamine euphoria minus the rush and added body load. Also have only managed to stay awake for 36-48 hours without feeling like total shit. Meth it took 72+ hours before I even thought about sleep. These meth like effects lasted only 3-4 hours total and come up is slow. Far short of the meth "rush."

    Also to get major euphoria it took me 150mg+. Have done 275mg in one dose and was extremely tweaked like D-amphetamine. Always orally. With body load and unknown long term effects wouldn't use daily as replacement for meth.

    4-FMA not from experience but hear it is a notch above 4-FA.
     
  4. Garand

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    Is there an orange most like an apple? What apple is most like an orange?

    What inexpensive uncommon chemical is similar to one of the most powerful & dangerous drugs made?

    Meth is in a class of its own. Only meth can do what meth does.

    And the only replacement for it is something even more powerful, more dangerous, worth more blood and treasure to make, sell, and consume. Clamor for Meth v.2 to drive addicts into deeper despair & to sacrifice the naive in even more depraved ecstasies & delusions. THAT’S a meth replacement.

    The person in question might be OK with amphetamine sulfate (e.g. from European “speed paste”) as a watered-down stand-in for meth. ‘phet is OK for what it is but in comparison to meth it makes me think of the little space saver spare tire small cars have: don’t drive at highway speeds or use it more than 30 miles. It won’t get you from L.A. to Vegas in 2-1/2 hours.
     
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  5. kailey_elise

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    Propylhexadrine (obtained via Benzedrex inhalers) might be a good match. Do a search here on the forum for it to get more info. It's over the counter & pretty cheap. If you go this route, I *HIGHLY* recommend at LEAST a citric acid extraction & to volumetrically dose from there. The recommended dose for weight loss is 25mg & the inhalers contain 250mg. Yikes!

    Going all the way to a hcl extraction (just as easy, but you gotta pick up muriatic acid from the hardware store, which is inexpensive & no one's gonna give you a hard time or weird look or anything) is even better, because then you can dry it out to pretty crystals & more importantly, get rid of all the menthol & lavender oils which taste like ASS.

    I enjoyed propylhexedrine; if I hadn't overdosed (not realizing it's not a great idea to take an entire inhaler at once, esp with no stimulant tolerance!), I would have liked it more. One of these days I plan to try Benzedrex again. :)

    Ephedrine might also be an option. It's sold behind the pharmacy counter but you don't need a prescription. It's for asthma, and the brands are Bronkaid or Primatene Tablets *NOT the Mist, which is something different!*. No euphoria really, but should help you stay awake. :)

    Ah, I remember the days working the phones... ;) Never did psychic work, though!

    ~Kailey
     
  6. xiaobendan

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    MDPV could be a good replacement for meth, but Afoaf has heard it will be illegal soon in the states(not sure if that bothers you).

    MDPV is a tweakers tweak but it's very ruff on the body, the headaches are a hassle and shit it's so fiending.

    Afoaf doesn't know meth but he's always been told it's a shitty skag but the buzz goes on for at least 12hours.

    That beats nearly any stim known to man.
     
  7. 3.4-Empathy

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    4-flouroamphetamine is as euphoric a methamphetamine? Sorry for being off topic slightly, but can anyone else confirm this for swim?
     
  8. Metron

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    An excellent stim is 3-fmc. Try that or o-2482
     
  9. Mick Mouse

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    If memory serves me correctly, I believe that Primatene also contains phenobarbital, to the tune of something like 1/8 of a grain. One might want to take this into consideration before consuming more than the recommended amount. It has, however, been many years since I used Primatene, so the formulation may have been changed since then.

    I don't recall right off hand exactly how much 1/8 of a grain is, but it never seemed to stop the speedy feeling one got from this drug!
     
  10. kailey_elise

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    Primatene Tablets (& Primatene Mist, actually) is sold over the counter. So I doubt it has phenobarbital in it! Fuck, you can't even get small amounts of codeine in cough syrup OTC here, so I doubt they'd allow phenobarbital! *giggle*

    Ah, here we go:
    So, no phenobarbital, but one doesn't want large amounts of guaifenesin; that's the ingredient people try to avoid when dosing large amounts of DXM.

    Just for fun, I looked up Bronkaid as well...
    Why did you think it contained phenobarbital? I'm just curious what purpose it would serve, as Primatene Tablets & Bronkaid are sold as asthma medications...

    ~Kailey
     
  11. Mick Mouse

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    As I mentioned, this was many years ago. At least 25 and maybe more! I remember as a young lad in his early to mid 20's searching for something in the parents medicine cabinet to get high on, and ran across these primatene tablets that my mother used for her athsma. I saw phenobarb and thought "score!" So I took a handful and speeded my young(ish) ass off.

    I don't know about the ephedrine, but I am certain that they did not have guffy in them.

    I suspect that they only way to be sure would be to research the ingredients in this product as they were formulated back then. In reality though, it is a moot point, as they obviously do not contain that particular ingredient now. Unless one was to research phenobarb and see if it might have some application in an athsma medication?

    toxinreleased added 15 Minutes and 14 Seconds later...

    After a very quick search, I find absolutely nothing which would indicate that I was correct. In fact, Drugs.com states that it is contraindicated for those who have asthma or breathing problems. The only reason I could see this drug being used in this manner would be to perhaps relieve the anxiety which can accompany an asthma attack, but again, there is absolutely nothing to indicate that this might be true.

    In this case, I am going to have to say that I screwed the pooch on this one and provided information based on memory, rather than on fact. Poor faulty memory, at that!

    I made a mistake and I retract my earlier statements regarding the formulation of the drug in question. I also commend kailey for catching it and for providing the quotes on the actual ingredients of both drugs!

    If you look closely at my avatar, you with see in really tiny letters "he's a dumb-ass today!" lol!
     
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  12. fatal

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    If you are looking to find a "replacement for meth" MDPV is a good choice. I understand it is very good at doing that. The main drawback to it's use is extreme and instantaneous addiction. I believe much of the MDPV on the open market is fairly impure which is also a drawback. There are other types of drugs like this. They are collectively pyrovalerophenones, or pyrovalerones(PVPs or PVs). These include a-PVP, naphyrone, MDPV, and the grossly misnamed mPPP. You may like to look into this more. Some of this information is in the betaketone forum Here. You will also find much other relevant information on stimulants there. Hope that helps you out.
     
  13. xenos

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    MDPV has a great stimulant buzz to it. Much, much shorter lasting than meth though(only a few hours). Be careful with this one. It is active at 1mg and the high is fiendish, so re-dosing is a concern. Very easy to overdose and greatly increase heart rate. To the pet robot it felt like d-amphetamine but with a shorter duration.

    Propylhexedrine and ephedrine are good legal stimulants(not RCs), but they are mild compared to meth or d-amphetamine.. propylhexedrine being the stronger of the two. These chemicals would probably only help when in a pinch. When the pet robot was a tweaker(d-amphetamine) he would use these chemicals when he was out of the good stuff, but it only kept him awake really.

    Pet robot has never tried 4-FA or 4-FMA but on a molecular level they are very very close to meth. Just remember to be very careful with these and to do a shit ton of research before dosing. Not much information is available on them, even on RC forums.

    I know its not an RC, but is it possible for SWIY to get a prescription to Dexedrine, or Adderall? Amphetamine would be a much better substitute than ephedrine, propylhexedrine, or even MDPV. If SWIY has life insurance they could get a month's script for much cheaper than any street stimulants.

    Good luck, be safe! Keep digging around the Research Chemicals sub-forum and erowid, there are many stimulants out there.
     
  14. JJ1234

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    Yes. For "someone who isn't me" It went like this with 4-FA:

    100mg: First dose for 260lbs(about 125kg?) subject. didn't feel shit for an hour. Then it kicked in pretty good. Comparable to 30-60mg mixed amphetamine salts(Adderal). More like thirty, and the 4-FA was more euphoric. Could tell a difference though. Total euphoria 3-4 hours and not too close to meth. Also a "cracked out" feeling lasting a few hours.

    150mg: Nice dose. Maybe slight visual distortions and major euphoria. Comparable more to 40-50mg D-amphetamine then d-methamphetamine. I only say this because of the lack of rush and meth is the king of stimulants IMO.

    200mg+: Closest I have felt to meth. Repeated this same dose 5-6 time over next 40 hours with no sleep. Yeah this kinda felt like meth. The bad side of it, lol. Have to say if you can resist urge to redose can feel similar to MDMA.

    So yeah it can be as euphoric as meth only as morphine can be as euphoric as heroin.
     
  15. Redmarter

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    Methamphetamine like R.C.

    Swim Is a former Methamphatamine indulger, Swim loved the high of speed, but cant get into it for reasons concerned law and social groups, swim has recently been looking for an R.C. that is closets to a methamphtamine like high with all the euphoria and "speediness" of it that lasts for hours, but have only found things like mephedrone which swim has found to be more like ecstasy and the duration is not anything what swim is looking for, Swim would like opinons about a good R.C. that is like methamphetamine, thanks :D
     
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  16. Rob Cypher

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    Re: Methamphetamine like R.C.

    4-FA, a-PVP, 2-FMA, ethylphenidate
     
  17. syntheticdave

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    Re: Methamphetamine like R.C.

    Ethylphenidate is my personal favorite stimulant and if you get it from the right vendor you'll get a bag of beautiful shards of crystals that pretty much look like glass for a fraction of the price of meth.
     
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    Re: Methamphetamine like R.C.

    A_pvp ;)
     
  19. Redmarter

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    Re: Methamphetamine like R.C.

    Sweet, thanks for the info, Swim will be ordering some Ethlyphenidate to see how it is, Does anyone know if Ethylphenidate has the around the same potency as methamphetamine? Swim does not have a proper scale and knows a heavy dosage of Ethylphenidate is around 100mg and that is about a .1 of methamphetamine, any tips?
     
  20. syntheticdave

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    Re: Methamphetamine like R.C.

    First of get a scale there fairly cheap on amazon, about $20, you need one that weights in milligrams. Eyeballing research chemicals is a horrible idea especially if the ethylphenidate is in pure crystals (iv seen crystals that looked like 3 or 4mgs break up into 30mgs).
    Also remember this isn't meth any tolerance you have to meth goes right out the window and jumping balls deep into it with 100mgs first time is just asking for trouble. Take it slow do an allergy test with 2 or 3mgs to make sure your not allergic and then after that's confirmed i would say try a line of 20mgs. Break up the crystals really good and give it a sniff. You'll be surprised by the kick it gives you.
    Do remember to do an allergy test with each new chem you receive tho (trust me snorting a recreational dose of something your allergic too and didn't even know about isnt fun, and dont say you know your not allergic because chances are you've never even been exposed to the substance so you wouldn't have any clue in the first place).

    SD