RC’s that mimick other drugs

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  1. William_Again

    William_Again Gold Member

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    I am new to RC's so if this is stupid I apologize. While it is my
    understanding that most of the popular RC's are similar or mimick
    (thats prolly not the best word) other drugs (mescaline, lsd, xtc,
    etc...) why haven't there been any made that are not trippy, but
    instead have more opiate like effects, or stimulant based effects
    without the trippy side. Or are their RC's that do this.
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  2. nanobrain

    nanobrain Platinum Member

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    ^such drugs - narcotics and stimulants - are being developed, trialled and marketed continually, mostly by big pharma.

    alas, they are not branded with the moniker "RC" but are known instead as "promising candidates in the product development pipeline"Edited by: nanobrain
     
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    moeBius Gold Member

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    the term research chemical was invented by erowid to desribe all the
    new drugs on the market that were never tested in clinical studies.

    almost all of it were invented by shulgin and described in pihkal and tihkal.

    as already stated, every of the modern opioides and stimulants are
    invented by pharma companies and branded as medicaments. one of the
    newest stimulants is modafinil for example.
     
  4. William_Again

    William_Again Gold Member

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    Then how come we don't see different types of rc's? I mean why couldn't
    I or someone create a chemical that is not an opiate and not illegal,
    but mimick its effects and then sell it along with other common rc's. I
    thank you two for your comments but it really doesn' answer my
    question, again most rc's are trippy, why aren't there any that are
    developed or created that do other things?
     
  5. koston

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    Good point. There are hardly any RC's who are close to MDMA or SPEED or other simulants for instance..
     
  6. Pinkavvy

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    yes there are. there are plenty of stimulants and euphoric amphetimine rc's.

    lol does anybody else remember when mdma and mda were the popular rc's? before they were scheduled. pma was too just a couple years ago.
     
  7. nanobrain

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    i remember when MDMA wasn't scheduled in the US...
     
  8. gn2osis

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    That's a very good question, not stupid at all.



    4-Fluoroamphetamine is one that was around for awhile, and reportedly
    (Erowid) was a gentle amphetamine type thing. Periodically,
    someone will come up with a designer stimulant (4-methylaminorex aka
    U4EUh; methcathinone), but for some reason these are quickly scheduled.



    However, I think the premise of your question is generally correct, and
    that nano's answer is on the money. There are already
    plenty of stimulants and opiates around that are available by
    prescription (Schedule 2 and less). The demand exists, but the
    supply is being met pretty well by the big pharmaceutical companies,
    and docs willing to write for Adderall and Oxycontin, and patients
    selling their pills, etc. There's no question that a similar
    grey/black market for LSD would quickly emerge if it were put in a
    lower schedule and could be manufactered legimitately. Likewise,
    if amphetamines were made totally illegal, there would be more impetus
    for chemists to look for maybe-not-quite-as-illegal RC's that could
    fill the gap.



    It would be pretty interesting if someone came up with an effective,
    enjoyable Research Chemical that was an analog of a Schedule III substance, since the
    Analog Act wouldn't apply to it. Seems like there would be ample
    demand for a ketamine analog, for example. It's probably not that
    easy to make one that's effective, or someone would have done it
    already.

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    As an aside regarding potential narcotics, these are tested using the - ready? - WMHPJT. Or the White Mouse Hot-Plate Jump Test. A white mouse is given a dose of the potential painkiller and then dropped onto a hotplate. The mouse's reaction time to getting off the hotplate is then noted and the efficacy of the potential narcotic gauged. The longer the mouse sizzles - the better the drug!


    Squeek!Edited by: nagognog2
     
  11. mariecurie

    mariecurie Newbie

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    MK-801 is an Research Chemical that apparently is very similar to ketamine in effects. Erowid only has one trip report, however.
     
  12. gn2osis

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    It seems in principle that there ought to be something like that.
    THC doesn't look very similar to anandamide, the endogenous ligand, at
    all. Playing around with anandamide's structure, a la Shulgin's
    tweaking serotonin and dopamine analogs, could prove quite interesting
    (and, for now, quite legal).



    I'm just waiting for a law to be passed that says it's illegal to use
    any substance to alter your consciousness in any way whatsoever, unless
    it's been patented by a big pharmaceutical company.

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    ^nah, they wont do it, too much money at stake. by sponsoring / controlling selective distribution channels for illicits the govts. get huge revenue, which would dwarf any revenues they could earn from legalised taxation...

    alteration of consciousness would also be fairly hard to define in legal terms.
     
  14. gn2osis

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    ^ Completely agree, Nano. Where's that "bemused sarcasm" emoticon
    when I need it? Like an eye-rolling one, that's the ticket..
     
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    some day the truth will be revealed, and that day is when america will
    fall. People will be so apauled at the shit the gov. is doing
    havok(sp) will fill the streets. People will realize, "holy shit
    i was giving almost half my earnings to this scum". Nano if you
    have any articles on that topic i am very interested. There any
    good books on it too?
     
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    John Marks' "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate - The CIA and Mind Control" is a good start.

    selective Central / South American cocaine nation sponsorship in the 1980's. just look at post-Taliban Afghani heroin production...
     
  17. gn2osis

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    Actually California has already done it
    (link),
    though I don't think that the relevant part of the statute (#2 below)
    has been tested in court:





    There you have it. Thou shalt not trip.

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    i was just listening to a Shulgin interview, interestingly enough, he said the word "antidepressant" is not on the restricted, or the above list...

    though shall not, um, feel sad?
     
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    this is an interesting bit from that:

    from Section 11401 - Controlled substance analog defined; punishment:

    "The term "controlled substance analog" does not mean any of the following:

    P.3: Any substance, before an exemption as specified in paragraph (2) takes effect with respect to the substance, to the extent the substance is not intended for human consumption."

    does that still apply?
     
  20. gn2osis

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    ^ Well, we know how far the "consumption" disclaimer got Mike Burton of ACS, or Mark Niemoller of JLF ....



    Erowid suggests that Salvia might actually be construed as illegal in
    California based on that statute. I don't think anyone has ever
    been charged for Sally in Cali. In theory they could try, but I
    think they're too busy worrying about other noxious weeds.

    .
     
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