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Dose - safe to take 20mg of ambiem (zolpidem)?

Discussion in 'Downers and sleeping pills' started by spinning, Jul 18, 2010.

  1. spinning

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    Like the title says, swim would like to know if its safe to take this dose. Thanks

    spinning added 17 Minutes and 58 Seconds later...

    Anyone? sorry I know-impatient. But swim has taken 10mg 30mins ago and needs to know if he can take another 10mg ambien.

    spinning added 195 Minutes and 4 Seconds later...

    Well swim took it and 1.5mg of xanax and swim doesn't even feel relaxed, wth is up with that.
     
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  2. chance2u

    chance2u Newbie

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    Re: safe to take 20mg of ambiem?

    20mg ambien and 1.5mg xanax and swiy isnt knocked out yet.......!? thats crazy........swim takes 10mg ambien and 1mg xanax for swims insomnia and that usually knocks swim out cold for at lease 4 to 5 hours....and swim has pretty bad insomnia too :confused:

    guess everyone reacts to things differently.....
     
  3. collegewriter

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    Re: safe to take 20mg of ambiem?

    SWIM imagined he was walking around like a zombie since SWIM expect his tolerance to not be that high due to the question he asked.

    And for future reference, 20mg ambien is fine to take. It's going to be very similar in feeling to 10mg but with just more "blackout", but by all means the drug shouldn't hurt SWIY.
     
  4. seven7seven

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    Re: safe to take 20mg of ambiem?

    Not recommending it, but SWIM usually takes 150mg the night he gets his script. He does just fine. Sleeps real good. No bad side effects, except slight nausea and some amnesia.
     
  5. snortle

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    Re: safe to take 20mg of ambiem?

    SWIM takes ambien but I dont know the dosage. SWIM takes one and is stoned within 15 min (which is great) and then ready to pass out within half an hour.

    SWIM advises strongly against taking more than the bottle says to take. There have been reports of horrible insomnia where the one spouse beats the other up or in one case killed the other spouse.

    There is even a report where one guy simply got in his car , drove out to a bridge and jumped off. Apparently he was dreaming all of this but the ambien made him sleep walk the whole thing for real.

    SWIM strongly advises not to screw around with ambien.

    snortle added 1 Minutes and 38 Seconds later...

    oops, i mean sleep walking , not insomnia . I read where the spouse was sleep walking on ambien and beat up her spouse.
     
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  6. spinning

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    Re: safe to take 20mg of ambiem?

    150? mg :confused::confused::confused: seriously?

    spinning added 7 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...

    And, thanks everyone who replied. swim knows the 'safe' limit now :)
     
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  7. Pieces Mended

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    Re: safe to take 20mg of ambiem?

    You can safely take 20mg. SWIM's doctor says he actually prescribes that for people who have taken it nightly long enough and been unlucky enough to build a tolerance to the 10mg (highest dose singe pill).

    However, SWIM's psychiatrist basically said there is a cutoff point around 20mg where the GABA receptor it targets isn't going to make you any "more" drowsy. Basically, you might increase the amount in your body enough to make it take a bit longer for it to be eliminated from your system, so perhaps it might buy a little more time asleep once you're there.

    As for the anxiety SWIY mentioned and the ineffectiveness of Xanax- Ambien is a nasty drug if you have anxiety issues. It doesn't actually produce any positive effect from the GABA receptors responsible for anxiety, but it will still build an individuals benzo tolerance across the board. When SWIM was taking Ambien to sleep at night, his tolerance to his Valium and Xanax became so high, he was taking more than double what he does now (he's cut back on the Ambien to twice a week at most, once ideally).

    If SWIY doesn't have anywhere to be in the morning, alternate the Ambien with OTC sleep aids. It will seriously help keep both the drug effective when it is taken, as well as keep the Xanax effective for anxiety.
     
  8. spinning

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    Re: safe to take 20mg of ambiem?

    Thanks for the info tinfoil. swim appreciates it. :) Swim will know what to expect from this combo in the future lol!

    swim will give this a try!
     
  9. Pieces Mended

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    Re: safe to take 20mg of ambiem?

    SWIM says no problem. SWIY should report back on whether cutting back on the Ambien and using it in rotation with things like Benadryl helps make the Xanax more effective for anxiety again and whether it helps keep the Ambien effective for sleep.
     
  10. polydoc

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    OP: yes its safe most likely you have a naturally high tolerance to benzos/hypnotics. When swim was addicted to it he was taking 150mg a day easy.you should know yourr limits before doing any drug. If your not feelin it take more until you do. both xanax and ambien have a way of becoming very addicting and you can build a tolerance to them in a matter of days. Swim hasn't touched much xanax recently but would easily use 8 bars a night before going out and partying, etc...gets bad really quick so don't make a habit of it but you'd be safe totake another dose of the ambien... although its probbably too late to give advice...
     
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    When swim was in the hospital for a few weeks she was prescribed 10mg and if swim was still unable to fall asleep they would give her an additional 10mg. With that being said, because of someone else's personal experience of being in the hospital, 20mg is a safe dose.
     
  12. rkostich

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    Well, SWIM would say it's safe. It's stays for a short period of time in the body compared to other hypnotics/benzos - midazolam, flunitrazepam etc. SMIW liked Ambien a lot, but the tolerance came REALLY quickly. Too bad, because there was no feeling of "hangover", which was great for an ADD. On the other hand, Zopiclone (Imovane) was unbearable because of it's metallic taste, so the alternative was going to something stronger - and since SWIM's PSG (polysomnography) accused lack of REM sleep, Flunitrazepam was the option. Gladly, SWIM doesn't need to take it everyday.

    But the answer: SWIM thinks it's safe. Just try not to do it in a regular basis.
     
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    SWIM believes it's safe since he has taken 30 mg before without ill effect. He's quite tolerant to 10 mg since he has stayed up all night on that dosage. He's also rather impatient with his insomnia and has even resorted to banging it for quicker effect. He considers himself lucky that he doesn't have to take 150 mg like others who were mentioned above.

    SWIM would not recommend banging, though, since he feels like a bruised pincushion from it. He also realizes the other problems that come with it, but unfortunately, he loves the rush.
     
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    Re: safe to take 20mg of ambiem?

    Really? I am taking Klonopin for anxiety, and Ambien for sleep and I think you're right. The klonopin isn't as effective anymore, and the Ambien ... man 10mg does absolutely nothing for me. It does clear my ruminating thoughts, but doesn't get me drowsy. It used to, and I am only on my second bottle or Ambien.

    Recently I have been adding Benadryl to the mix and it seems to help more. I should talk to my pDoc about it maybe.

    Get on the Ambien CR or try something else, or only use it as needed. He told me to just take it nightly which is strange?
     
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    SWIM feels like 20mg of ambien is the perfect dose for recreational use. SWIM has a 5mg perscription, and 5mg always does its purpose for sleep. 10mg gets SWIM a little high and 20mg makes him pretty crazy. Very surprised 20mg didn't do much for you, possibly because of cross-tolerance between other drugs?
     
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    Will 150mgs of ambien kill my friend swim? He did 70mg yesterday
     
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    Forgive me but I thought this was a SWIM FREE site. Isn't that stated in the FAQ's? I just don't want anyone to get a negative mark here.

    If you go above 30mg of Ambien, then you're wasting whatever amount you swallowed above it. Unless you'd like to throw caution to the wind and ruin a perfectly good set of kidneys and functioning liver.

    I'll never, ever understand why people don't know when to say, "When." If you absolutely feel the need to swallow an obvious over dose of any given drug...so be it. I'm simply stating I cannot understand the reasoning behind it.

    Your body can only tolerate a certain amount and either you OD and die, or you just consumed way too much medication, treated your body like a garbage can and have nothing to show for it.

    And for the record, I don't know anyone named Swim.
     
  18. purplehaze147

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    Re: safe to take 20mg of ambiem?

    Even with no tolerance (there's a cross tolerance between xanax & ambien since they both affect the benzodiazepine receptors) I can take like a 2mg xanax bar & a couple ambiens and go out for a jog, have good coherent conversations with family... benzos have a near paradoxical effect on me. They stimulate me, not like amphetamine stimulating (a true stimulant) but stimulating none the less. If I go a night without sleep & need to go to work a xanax will perk me up & make it feel like I didnt even lose sleep, not put me to sleep.

    I totally agree with everything you just said. You can take 100mg safely (you may possibly black out tho) but it'd be a waste. Ambien is TERRIBLE for anxiety; it has a very short half life and gives me a rebound effect. Rotating with anti-histamines is not only great fir lowering tolerance, it can save you from physical dependency.